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Posted: 22 Nov 2011, 12:28 

Mah well I could make pictures that bad too, if only my camera wasn't almost 12 years old by now and maxing out at 1600x1200...
But that picture just looks plain bad. This could even be a vhs screenshot.

So I've kept my word and made some crappy shots with my outdated camera.
Pictures are not really able to show what MUSE looks like in reality, with a better camera at full resolution it might be possible though.

LD was playing while pics were taken, no freeze frame. Some images are stationary though.
Pictures are unmodified like they came out of the camera.

Anyhow, so all the MUSE shots are from Sony: The Test Disc (1995) [00MW-0009] , the picture is not zoomed in, it's 1.78:1 material filling out the 16:9 display completely.

http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_01.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_02.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_03.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_04.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_05.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_06.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_07.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_08.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_09.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_10.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_11.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_12.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_13.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_14.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_15.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/muse_16.jpg

For reference, here are some SQUEEZE NTSC LD shots from DTS Experience (1998) [PILW-1258] , again 1.78:1 material filling the screen entirely without zoom.

http://www.pustan.com/test/squeeze_01.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/squeeze_02.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/squeeze_03.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/squeeze_04.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/squeeze_05.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/squeeze_06c.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/squeeze_07.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/squeeze_08c.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/squeeze_09.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/squeeze_10c.jpg
http://www.pustan.com/test/squeeze_11c.jpg

Donations for a better camera welcome :)

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Posted: 17 Mar 2012, 05:10 

In my opinion the best PAL/NTSC player is the Philips LDP600. It is built like an industrial player from Pioneer and has never let me down and I have had it for almost 20 years now. I have had 2 CLD925 and 2 DVL919E and they are just not build like the Philips.
I now use the Philips for PAL discs and an industrial player from Pioneer for NTSC. The industrial players will last several lifetimes lol.
I bought 42 players for 60 EUR a few years back from the Dutch military. I dont need to worry about playing my NTSC collection :)
The Philips is my last working PAL player...

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Posted: 14 Jan 2013, 21:18 

Titan A.E. [PILA-3043]

Well, according to our database, not so many people own this disc, so I thought it could be a good idea to try to review it.
Luckily for me, I was able to buy it from Julien in 2004, for the "small" amount of $145. Seemed a lot back then, but when
we look at the price evolution, it wasn't so bad after all.

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/Titan_A_E_00.JPG

Even if it crossed my mind a while ago, I'm absolutely sure I'll never sell this LD. And that for multiple reasons:
- I have other ways to provide food for my family.
- It is a hard to find item. I was lucky Julien needed a few bucks back in 2004.
- It has a beautiful cover, with the "new" Pioneer logo on it.
- It has one of the best picture quality available on LD
- It has a powerful dolby digital soundtrack
- It's a great film, with a good replay value
- It has Close Captioned encoding... which means much to me

The Movie

Like it or not, it has an interesting plot, good characters (Young hero, pretty girl, ugly team mate, a few traitors, etc...),
a few twists and an unforeseen happy ending.

The LD itself

The cover is really nice. The orange obi matches it perfectly.
Pioneer Japan & 20th Century Fox have had a good taste at the end of 2000.
The back looks also great, although I cannot read Japanese, it's still a beautiful item.

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/Titan_A_E_00_A.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/Titan_A_E_00_B.JPG

Video

I've tried to do some screenshots... but I'm not very good at it, so the result here is a bit disappointing
regarding to the quality of the picture on my TV screen. But it gives you a small idea of it.

As many other japanese release, Titan A.E. has japanese subtitle in picture, and a close captioned signal.
You can see on some of the pictures, that it's not always so great, as the CC mixes up with the japanese subtitles...
It is sometime not quite readable, but at least it's here. I guess it also depend on the possibilities of your CC decoder.
I would have loved an LD-G encoding, it would have been a plus.

The picture quality of this LD is great. It makes me wonder how good would a movie look, if LD was still produced,
with modern day transfer technologies. I'm not an expert in ways to explains how good a picture looks like, but I can
say that when I first played this disc in 2004 (it was on a DLV-919E back then) I was surprised how clear the picture was.
Today, on my HLD-X9, it looks even better.

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/Titan_A_E_01.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/Titan_A_E_02.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/Titan_A_E_03.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/Titan_A_E_04.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/Titan_A_E_05.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/Titan_A_E_06.JPG

Audio

I've just noticed that in 2013 but the 1st chapter of this LD, with the 20th Century Fox Home Video Logo,
has a silent Dolby Digital Soundtrack. This LD release has also no Dolby Digital intro.

Other than that, it's a real "old fashioned" Dolby Digital Soundtrack that goes smashing and banging through the living room.
Enjoyable from the beginning to the end, it keeps us "in" the film, and helps us believe in what we see.
For example, the sound of the icy ring "icebergs(?)" colliding into each other is so good, you'll want to push the volume UP!

Overall

I enjoyed watching it again to do my first LD review, and I'll surely watch it again this year.
We're lucky to have this film on LD, sadly not enough copies for everyone. It's a great item to show off
with your visitors who have only known VHS & DVD... and I've got plenty of thoses ;-)

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 17:16 

I own various editions of Terminator 2, one of the few movies I really could watch each week and still enjoy it.
All these versions have their advantages and drawbacks.

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/T2_Collection.JPG

From left to right, 1st row
- USA Extended THX Release [LD 82997-2WS] : Great LD, but no CC, so I'll choose the Japanese edition, with LD-G
- Japan 1st SQZ/AC3 Release [PILF-2187] : Again, great LD, good SQZ picture quality, but no CC nor LD-G, so I'll choose the 2nd edition.
- Japan 2nd SQZ/AC3 THX Release [PILF-2555] : Perfect LD. From far the best version on Laserdisc ever.
- USA AC3 THX Release [LD68952-2DD] : Great LD, but inferior to the 2nd SQZ japanese version.

2nd row
- Japan 8" making of [PIMF-1001] : Just for the fun of owning a 8" LD with some stuff about T2 on it !
- Japan Hi-Vision A-Mode Release [PILH-1001] : Good Hi-Vision release, but picture seems to be inferior to the 2nd SQZ japanese version.
- Japan Extended THX Release [PILF-1800] : Great & solid box set. Extended Version with LD-G.

So what I'll try to do here is a comparison between:
Standard [LD68952-2DD] , SQZ [PILF-2555] & Hi-Vision [PILH-1001]

I've always wanted to do it, I'll just need some time, but I think it could be interesting for those out there with interest for the odd LD formats.

I start with the Hi-Vision release, to raise the bar a little high and see if the other version can still compete with it.

A simple but still beautiful packaging, with a double digipak holding the 2 discs.
This version has both A-Mode 3.1 and Dolby Surround EFM Tracks.

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/PILH-1001_01.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/PILH-1001_02.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/PILH-1001_03.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/PILH-1001_04.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/PILH-1001_05.JPG

The SQZ version is also very classy with it's black top obi perfectly matching the cover.
It offers Dolby Digital, CC & LD-G and a very good picture quality.

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/T2DD_T2SQZ_01.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/T2DD_T2SQZ_02.JPG

I've tried to find some scenes that I will compare between the 3 version.
1st picture = Hi-Vi
2nd picture = SQZ
3rd Picture = Standard


Scene A - Opening

Hi-Vi: Picture quality is good, but not great.

SQZ: Great picture quality, maybe inferior in definition than the Hi-Vision one, but it moves better.

Standard: [...]

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_A_Opening_01.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_A_Opening_01.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_A_Opening_02.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_A_Opening_02.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_A_Opening_03.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_A_Opening_03.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_A_Opening_04.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_A_Opening_04.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_A_Opening_05.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_A_Opening_05.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_A_Opening_06.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_A_Opening_06.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_A_Opening_07.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_A_Opening_07.JPG

Scene B - Arrival

Hi-Vi: Mostly in the dark, here also, we have a good picture but not surprisingly great.

SQZ: Dark scenes are not a problem for the SQZ version, no visible quality loss like with the HiVi. Picture seems to be blue when compared to the grey of the Hi-Vi.

Standard: [...]

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_B_Arrival_01.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_B_Arrival_01.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_B_Arrival_02.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_B_Arrival_02.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_B_Arrival_03.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_B_Arrival_03.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_B_Arrival_04.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_B_Arrival_04.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_B_Arrival_05.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_B_Arrival_05.JPG


Scene C - Scanning

Hi-Vi: As the background is not looking great and seems to be a little blurry, the foreground with all the terminator Data is always clear and perfectly readable.

SQZ: Lower resolution as the HiVi picture, but still very good. Here we can cleary see that SQZ has a wider AR than Hi-Vi. See Picture 5 for example.

Standard: [...]

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_01.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_01.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_02.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_02.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_03.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_03.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_04.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_04.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_06.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_06.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_07.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_07.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_08.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_08.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_09.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_09.JPG


Scene D - John

Hi-Vi: Daylight = Better picture quality. The small computer "PIN Cracker" screen gives a good opportunity for MUSE to show off. Once again: if it's not moving, it's good for MUSE :D

SQZ: Here also, you can see that SQZ is wider than Hi-Vi. Pictures of the small computer shows it well.

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_D_John_01.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_D_John_01.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_D_John_02.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_D_John_02.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_D_John_03.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_D_John_03.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_D_John_04.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_D_John_04.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_D_John_05.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_D_John_05.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_D_John_06.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_D_John_06.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_D_John_07.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_D_John_07.JPG



Scene E - Light

Special request from laserbite 8-)

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_E_Light_01.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_E_Light_01.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_E_Light_02.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_E_Light_02.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_E_Light_03.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_E_Light_03.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_E_Light_04.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_E_Light_04.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_E_Light_05.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_E_Light_05.JPG



... I'll be back.

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Posted: 19 Mar 2013, 12:13 

Supremely pleased to offer up these shots of a MUSE Hi-Vision LaserDisc:

Ferrari of the Art
( Review link )

Someone converted his copy to 18Mbps 1080i MPEG-2 + WAV. These are screencaps from that file. I can help anyone obtain the entire video, if you want (posted to Usenet).

http://i.imgbox.com/absWYY3m.jpg
http://i.imgbox.com/acgFR0cQ.jpg
http://i.imgbox.com/addtItji.jpg
http://i.imgbox.com/adbYZbKX.jpg
http://i.imgbox.com/adlsUjyH.jpg
[ Gallery link containing these same images ]

Having never seen a MUSE disc, I'm highly impressed with the quality of this file. And to know that it's a conversion, so the original analog video is actually slightly better, is amazing. Sadly I don't think the guy who did this has converted any filmic content at this point.

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Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 04:19 

This is not a digital mastering problem of any kind, or even a video problem per se. What you are seeing is a sort of image lag . Basically, when the film-to-video transfers were done, the image sensor used (probably a plumbicon camera element) had a certain tendency to retain an image. So, in addition to the current film frame, the image captured on videotape incorporated the three or four previous film frames at a substantially reduced intensity. You can really see it, as I recall, on the first of the L.A. Hero Giant Robo discs, at places where a scene cuts onto solid black. The phenomenon, in fact, is exactly the same as the afterimage which lingers in your eye after looking at something.

Using a better transfer system, such as a flying-spot scanner instead of a film chain (projector-camera combination), or even a different choice of film chain pickup, would have prevented this. But another part of the problem is simply that, with the particular system I suspect was used, the overall amount of incident light has an effect on how rapidly the afterimage is discharged. It would require some skill, in a program with a lot of dark backgrounds, to get the black level right while simultaneously minimizing the lag. If setup for the transfer was done carelessly, or in haste, or using settings worked out for some other type of program material, I would expect the results you describe.

Then I have another problem that is, IMO, even more annoying, and its all over every disc of Dirty Pair: Perfect TV (1985) [VPLY-70266] .

While the previous sort of artifacting was probably the result of too much light being shined into the telecine machine and %100 analog in nature, the problem with the Dirty Pair discs is clearly digital in nature. Basically, the discs look like they were made from VCDs or something. Again this is visible in high contrast areas. A great way to set it off is to watch a white spaceship traveling through black space. The ship will leave a trail. Its really looks like MPEG artifacting or maybe even DIVX AVI. If I were mastering this myself I would say "not enough key frames!". When everything on the screen is bright its fine, but its really friggn' annoying when you see situations like the space ship I mentioned, which sadly happens constantly since this is a scifi show!

This box consists of the entire TV series and a bunch of OVAs. The OVAs were also sold separately years before this set came out but I've never viewed them myself so I don't know if the problem was introduced in this set or if it was there all along. The OVAs originally came out after the TV series aired and were from a different era of production so it seems weird that the same problem would be there all along in the original tapes. My assumption is that this sort of artifacting was introduced by some terrible early digital mastering system that thankfully didn't get used very often. I REALLY HATE this problem and it really brings down an otherwise totally amazing box set. For the record this show was probably shot on 16mm and then transferred to...I don't know, betacam or something for TV broadcast and/or transfer to home video. My point being it wasn't shot to digital tape, or broadcast digitally, or available in any digital format until DVD came about. I think this LD set is from 1994.

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Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 04:39 

Funnily enough, I haven't actually watched the fourth disc, though I've seen the first three and they all share the same problems I've mentioned. I never went into BGC expecting high production values, but that's not where my complaint stems from.

Some screenshots that should highlight what I'm talking about from disc 2:

http://i.imgur.com/P9wOqe2.png
http://i.imgur.com/4xlgxpA.png
http://i.imgur.com/UIzcVuN.png
http://i.imgur.com/B1Ve2rv.png

You can clearly see hanging dots burned in along with the subtitles, noisy and bleeding reds as well as blacks that are waaay too dark. Either the fourth disc is the odd one out or I'm unlucky and got a bunk set… ? Unfortunately I don't have the Japanese releases to compare to as I don't understand near enough of the language to watch them without subs.

When an image is resized, it can introduce aliasing depending on the technique(s) used, hence why I and others assume as such.

Here's a good example from the version of Escape from New York I mentioned. You can clearly see the aliasing on the edges of The Duke's car.

http://i.imgur.com/DC7rZie.png
http://i.imgur.com/cHgGqiu.png

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Posted: 12 Jun 2013, 22:21 

I finally got a perfect copy of Ghibli Ga Ippai Collection (1996) [TKLO-50180] recently. I'll do a big write-up on it eventually but its going to take me a while to drill through.

Anyway, obviously this isn't the largest box set ever at a puny 13 discs, but is it the largest non-TV box set? Off the top of my head I can't think of anything bigger than 13 discs that consists of (nearly) all theatrical releases. This set is 13 discs, one TV movie and 9 roadshow releases. 1233 minutes.

BTW, what is with Japanese fans? This set cost 900 friggen dollars and whoever bought it only opened three of the discs...he didn't even open the one with the Miyazaki-Kurosawa "fireside chat". That's the most interesting thing in the box! The copy of Macross: Super Dimension Fortress: 15 Years Anniversary Memorial Box (1982) [BELL-1036] I got recently was the same way. He only open the last disc...which only has six minutes of video and some still frames. The rest was still sealed. $450 is a lot to pay for 6 minutes...

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Posted: 15 Jun 2013, 15:18 



By contrast, the AnimEigo BGC discs were made in one pass, superimposing the subtitles on a playback of the original Japanese master tapes (in Japan!), & recording to D-2 composite digital. There should not have been any Y-C separation involved.

Yeah, but didn't most means of superimposition back then do some kind of Y/C separation? Like, for example, is done inside of most LD players? They had to use some kind of hardware to put the titles on.

For years TV stations superimposed text and stuff without splitting the signal to Y/C or doing it in the component domain - in fact, once in the NTSC composite format, they tried to avoid ever going back to component (or the simpler Y/C) if at all possible until the mid- to late-80's when the D1 component format became available. And even then, D1 spawned the composite D2 format for stations that didn't have or want to invest in component islands of equipment. Early digital magnetic disc still stores for instant replay and special effects sampled the NTSC signal in its composite form and it was processed in the NTSC domain.

LaserDisc players only started splitting the signal internally so that DNR, chroma dropout compensation and and Digital TBC could be applied separately to the luma and chroma signals - then output as S-Video and cheaply recombined and output as composite. The Panasonic LX-900 does its digital TBC and dropout compemsation in the digital composite domain and then splits the signal 2D Logically to do the DNR. Early S-Video equipped players, like the very first LaserDisc player to have a built in comb filter, the Philips CDV-488, does all of its analog TBC and digital FX in the composite format, returns the signal to analog and only then splits the signal for the S-Video jack with a single line CCD-based comb filter that is made from discrete components (its the only player to use a comb filter made from discrete components. The rest all used off-the-shelf IC's and the LD-S2 was the first player to use a digital comb filter) The Composite output of the CDV-488 is pure NTSC, yet like earlier players with no internal comb filters, on-screen frame/chapter overlays and other info are done without splitting the signal.

The LaserDisc of Olivia Newton-John in Concert is like the aforementioned anime titles - it was shot in NTSC, then split for whatever reason for editing and FX - then improperly recombined with the chroma out of register on the FX and permanent dot crawl that can only be gotten rid of by using frequency separation, cutting the video resolution to 250 lines or so.

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Posted: 20 Jun 2013, 22:25 

Cream Lemon: Perfect Eternal Preservation Edition [PCLS-00001]

This box comes with 13 discs, and as it is "adult animation" i.e. pr0n, its not a TV show.
But can't think of anything none TV with more than 16 discs.

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Posted: 17 Nov 2013, 22:53 

Your issues are probably coming from multiple places. On one hand, the S201 is probably the most low-end LD player Pioneer ever built. The chassis is made from recycled Ritz cracker boxes and tuna fish cans.

At the same time though, I'd be surprised if a proper calibration didn't make things look better. Chances are your TV has the contrast, brightness, and color jacked up way to high for LDs low SNR meaning you are amplifying all the flaws.

And then your TV could just suck at SD. Keep in mind that 55" was science fiction when LD was around. Even the most beautiful woman on Earth has nasty skin when you look at it through a microscope.

Honestly, I've yet to see an LCD do an even passable job on LD. The better plasmas do a great job and CRT is still the best.

I would try running Video Essentials or something like that first before spending $$$ on equipment. Scaling and noise have little to do with each other.

I wouldn't be surprised if a CLD-99 looked just as bad on your TV.

As for crosstalk, I think I see a little of it in that picture. Crosstalk in general is no fun, but the problems are magnified when the image is being upscaled. "A game of telephone", if you will.

EDIT: My mistake, the S201's replacement, the S104, was probably the most low end player made.

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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate VHS player?
Posted: 10 Feb 2014, 19:03 

If you say that hardly any movies were released on Svhs then I guess finding a S-vhs player even harder . Will it output VHS in higher quality though?


it's far better to have an S-VHS VCR than an S-VHS "player" hell, i'm not even sure such a beast has ever existed,
at least in the U.S. market. at any rare, S-VHS VCRs can be found easily enough... try the BAY for starters...



I would take an S-VHS VCR over a standard VHS VCR. But really, you can only do so much with 240 lines of noisy, dirty resolution.


actually, my JVC HR-S8000U isn't half bad at all with 240 noisy, dirty-ass lines;

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/JVC%20HR-S8000U/HR-S8000U-VHSmodeEXAMPLEPHOTOS4-19-129.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: PIONEER CLD-3030 (1988)
Posted: 28 May 2014, 17:06 

all told, the 3030 is among the very best 80's LDPs ever marketed in the U.S. -and one of the most cosmetically attractive models ever designed, YMMV-
probably not nearly good enough for those whom desire only the state of the art in LD playback,
but eminently watchable all the same, -usually at least as much as a good S-VHS recording-
and probably as good as most would ever need.

at any rate, here are some screencaps that might help determine if this model would prove personally acceptable;


TOP GUN (1986) (PIONEER LDC SPECIAL EDITION, 1995)

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/LASERDISC/TOPGUN-LDPLAYBACK-3-20-1215.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/LASERDISC/TOPGUN-LDPLAYBACK-3-20-1213.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/LASERDISC/TOPGUN-LDPLAYBACK-3-20-1212.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/LASERDISC/TOPGUN-LDPLAYBACK-3-20-1211.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/LASERDISC/TOPGUN-LDPLAYBACK-3-20-1210.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/LASERDISC/TOPGUN-LDPLAYBACK-3-20-128.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/LASERDISC/TOPGUN-LDPLAYBACK-3-20-127.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/LASERDISC/TOPGUN-LDPLAYBACK-3-20-125.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/LASERDISC/TOPGUN-LDPLAYBACK-3-20-124.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/LASERDISC/TOPGUN-LDPLAYBACK-3-20-123.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/LASERDISC/TOPGUN-LDPLAYBACK-3-20-122.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/LASERDISC/TOPGUN-LDPLAYBACK-3-20-121.jpg


MOLDIVER (1992)


http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20CLD-3030/DSC_8509_zps10fa2afb.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20CLD-3030/DSC_8490_zpsdfa13402.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20CLD-3030/DSC_8512_zps82e2a78e.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20CLD-3030/DSC_8506_zpsf8e384bb.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20CLD-3030/DSC_8489_zps361398ac.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20CLD-3030/DSC_8480_zpsb01e7232.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20CLD-3030/DSC_8472_zpscb7a1822.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20CLD-3030/DSC_8460_zps2831bdcf.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20CLD-3030/DSC_8457_zpsfcaab347.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20CLD-3030/DSC_8452_zpsb6049582.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20CLD-3030/DSC_8455_zps71f8a162.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/PIONEER%20CLD-3030/DSC_8403_zpsf4546c12.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: PIONEER CLD-3030 (1988)
Posted: 02 Jun 2014, 02:37 

yep, and my own is actually even quieter yet, thanks to the added isolation. a recommended, -and damn good looking, YMMV- tweak for any 3030-series owner;


Image

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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc vs DVD
Posted: 08 Jul 2014, 03:51 

Ld and dvd are both 480i vertical resolution. Dvd has over 500 lines or horizontal resolution and Ld has 425 (theoretical) lines of horizontal resolution.

Dvd has 240 lines of chroma resolution in alternative lines (4:2:0 sampling) that is 4 bit of Cb and Cr (chroma)on every other line where as 8 bit Y (Luma) on all lines.

Ld has 120 lines of chroma at best. Most older pressing (pre-superNTSC) have half of that and 2D comb filters can only retract limited Chroma from the composite signal. So early 1990s releases played through 3D comb filter gets 100+ lines.

Dvd is a digital medium. Its samples of discreet info. Imagine you want to draw a line in digital. In 1000 sampling you draw 1000 dots next to each other. In 100 sampling you draw the same line (same length) with 100 dots. If you draw your line high enough number of dots you might create one straight line without breaks.

Ld is an analog format. Its continuous time. You draw a line scratching your pen on the paper. The quality of the line depends on your pen and the paper. If its a good ball point pen and a fine paper, you will have a beautiful line. Ld can record 7mhz of continuous electrical information pet second for its video.


dvd has about 65db of signal to noise ratio. Ld is 54db on the best machine. Most average player is at around 48-50db.

dvd can be read quiet accurately and the same on most dvd players. If I tell you to draw a 1" line with 100 dots in equal spaces, you can imitate my line easily. If I ask you to draw a 1" line with a pen, your line will look like mine but if you examine closely each line is unique with different strokes. Thats why analog recording and reading differs each time and each equipment.

Dvd is compressed in mpeg-2. It has side effects like banding, pixelation on motion, mosquito noise. Ld is uncompressed and immune of these but separating luma and chroma has its own artifacts .

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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate VHS player?
Posted: 31 Aug 2014, 01:42 

Nobody wants to record to VHS, anymore...

excepting for weirdos such as myself, whom enjoy procuring top-flight NOS vintage blank stock,
and using MACROVISION-less high resolution SD source material such as Anime DVDs
to squeeze every last drop of performance out of the format i grew up with,
just to see just how good it can really get, usually with surprisingly pleasant results
( for such a limited format ) such as this;


(( 1985 MAXELL VHS blank (HGX GOLD HI-FI) both REC.ed and PBed on a 1988 S-VHS VCR (JVC HR-S8000U) ))


http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/JVC%20HR-S8000U/HR-S8000U-VHSmodeEXAMPLEPHOTOS4-19-129.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/JVC%20HR-S8000U/HR-S8000U-VHSmodeEXAMPLEPHOTOS4-19-124.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/JVC%20HR-S8000U/HR-S8000U-VHSmodeEXAMPLEPHOTOS4-19-123.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/JVC%20HR-S8000U/HR-S8000U-VHSmodeEXAMPLEPHOTOS4-19-121.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/JVC%20HR-S8000U/HR-S8000U-VHSmodeEXAMPLEPHOTOS4-19-122.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/JVC%20HR-S8000U/HR-S8000U-VHSmodeEXAMPLEPHOTOS4-19-1210.jpg


- now you might contend that i am cheating, not using a CRT monitor for those examples,
but i disagree. i've found that at least more recent HD monitors, -at least LCD, and probably PLASMA even more so-
seem to tend to "tell the truth" with SD sources like no CRT i have ever known seems remotely capable of.

my own 46in. LCD, -a low-mid grade WORST BUY "INSIGNIA" house brand model, with 3-D comb filtering-
seems to lay it all right out on the table, -the good and the bad- with every SD source i have, crisp, clear, precise and absolutely non-partisan.

i actually appreciate that; it shows me just how good -or bad- what i am viewing actually is,
no matter the format. through an HDM, Laserdisc can be noisy even at best,
but it can also be surprisingly good for it's age, and even by today's standards can impress,
providing the viewer is able to accept the format's handicaps and enjoy it with perspective in mind
to the age it was designed in, and that era's limitations.

no, none of these old legacy SD formats can remotely touch high-quality HD sources,
but at their best, they are surprisingly good performers for all that, and deserve due respect...

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Posted: 19 Jan 2015, 05:22 

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/jlindsey86/IMAG2245.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/jlindsey86/IMAG2201.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/jlindsey86/IMAG2201.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/jlindsey86/IMAG2175.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/jlindsey86/IMAG2170.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/jlindsey86/IMAG2168.jpg

The Matrix and Super Speedway. Screenshots were taken with a 4 year old android smartphone. The display is a Samsung 51F8500 and the player is a Faroudja LD1000.

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Posted: 11 Apr 2015, 13:03 

Did try LD out on my current plasma for the first time today. Results were very tolerable imo.

Side 2 is done. Damn this film is long. :crazy:
http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t418/R40u1/vlcsnap-2015-04-11-13h52m03s103.png

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t418/R40u1/vlcsnap-2015-04-11-13h52m15s12.png

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t418/R40u1/vlcsnap-2015-04-11-13h52m26s101.png

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t418/R40u1/vlcsnap-2015-04-11-13h52m46s13.png

Some more.
John Lennon: Imagine (1972) [PA-86-164]
http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t418/R40u1/vlcsnap-2015-04-11-13h53m51s222.png

Pet Shop Boys: Videography (1991) [PA-91-421]
http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t418/R40u1/vlcsnap-2015-04-11-13h54m03s98.png

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t418/R40u1/vlcsnap-2015-04-11-13h54m19s8.png

Mimi wo sumaseba (Whisper of the Heart) (1995) [TKLO-50170]

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t418/R40u1/vlcsnap-2015-04-11-13h54m55s76.png

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t418/R40u1/vlcsnap-2015-04-11-13h55m13s10.png

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t418/R40u1/vlcsnap-2015-04-11-13h55m36s252.png

Also got a new ID4 comparison. You know I love this film and now LD looks much better than a year ago! :D LD still lacks in colors but overall it's a really fair game. The checkerboard artifacts aren't visible in motion.

LD:
http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t418/R40u1/ID4LD_1.png

DVD:
http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t418/R40u1/ID4DVD_1.png

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 Post subject: DUNE PAL special editon
Posted: 05 Nov 2015, 14:38 

I managed to pickup a sealed copy of the PAL/SECAM special edition i.e. Dune: Special Edition (1984) [LDD 1009] .

Watched it last night (didn't bother putting the T-Shirt on) and the quality is exceptional for 1984 film. The colours aren't the brightest but then again I suspect that is the way the film is meant to look.

Only problem however is the rot. The database lists it as none reported but I can confirm that both discs have rotted at the outside edge. Rather badly actually looking like black fungi. Luckly on sides 1 and 2 the rot doesn't protrude onto the readable surface of the disc. On side 3 however it does and as such after frame 53,000 odd it just freezes, not too bad I suppose as your only missing maybe 30 seconds of film (if even) but I suspect it is something that will get worse. Side 4 the rot is only present outside of the readable surface.

One thing I found odd was that when I first received the film a few weeks back I opened it up and quickly inspected everything but at that time I didn't notice the rot. It wasn't until last night when I took the disc out again that it was obvious. I can't help but wonder if me opening the sealed package changing the climate conditions the discs have been in for the last 20 years cause the rot problem in the first place.

http://i.imgur.com/DrB5Eeqm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pzeVd4Vm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PHccrtHm.jpg

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Posted: 07 Dec 2015, 05:12 

Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin is an OVA (direct to video) series currently in production. So far two episodes have been released, scheduled for every six months. I think the target number of EPs is 5, but as we saw with Unicorn, if the show is a hit I wouldn't be surprised if they made it longer. Each episode is an hour. The mecha are CG. That's about all you need to know.

The release format is similar to Gundam Unicorn. There are both Japanese and English tracks, stereo and DTS 5.1. Subtitles in seven languages. The DVD has no world release, only the BR. There is only one Bluray disc world wide and this time those in the US can only purchase the collectors edition. It is an import in everything but name, only sold by Right Stuff. I guess Bandai figures thier target audience would want nothing else than the maximum package, and I think they are correct. With Gundam Unicorn Bandai did eventually make compilation DVDs for a massively reduced price just for American cheapskates. I'm not sure what's neutered about them, but I'd assume a lower bitrate than the JP DVDs, not that anyone buying DVD in the age of BR would care...anyway. I assume Origin will get a similar release. There are also a bunch of ways to see it online but I don't know what any of them are. :)

When you load the disc you see this:

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.24.26%20PM.png

You choose what language you want (for menus) and the episode starts. The soundtrack and subtitles will default to your BR player's preferences, so for me it automatically started in Japanese with English subtitles. (No need to fumble for the language buttons on the BR remote to turn off the Canadian valley girl boys, which is nice.) There are some FBI/INTERPOL things here, but otherwise you paid for an episode of Gundam and that's what they gave you. No extraneous hucksterism. There is a full on DVD style menu but you only see it when the show is over.

I'll leave judgement of the show to the rest of the internet. I will say though that I like it. I wish the mecha were still hand drawn, but since they aren't that important to the show really I guess I don't care. Bandai does still seem to be making shows with hand drawn mecha, but for some reason this wasn't one of them. I assume it had to do with available staff. Anyway, the show is pretty good. Episode 2, IMO, was excellent and it gives me hope that the show will continue to entertain.

Anyway, the real reason for this post is the packaging, which is clearly meant to evoke the LD mystique.

They come with outer shipper boxes with air pockets all around. They were designed to ship straight to everyone's house. Of course RS puts it in another box so the thing that shows up at your house is pretty humongous for something that's on a 5" disc.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.36.24%20PM.png

Does this look like a couple of LDs?

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.37.41%20PM.png

How about now? ( Gundam Formula F-91 (1991) (Uncut) [BELL-449] shown for comparison)

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.38.27%20PM.png

So what's in the box?

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.40.29%20PM.png

Well, EP 1 came with a little book that has most of the major line art and also the direction for the entire episode. You know, in case you want to...animate the entire thing again yourself? Well, its fun to look at, and these days most animation productions don't really produce enough concept art to fill a decent art book so this is at least something that was hand drawn and very human looking.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.43.02%20PM.png

You also get another little book that shows how scenes were originally composed as manga pages and how they look once animated.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.46.32%20PM.png

The box itself is very much like small LD series used to be (like super sentai shows) but everything is flimsier by a large margin. The obi is one step up from fax paper and the box is maybe half the weight of a good LD box. However, its a nice gesture.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.49.05%20PM.png

Episode 1 was supposed to come with some sort of clear plastic thing that would lineup nicely with the clear plastic thing that came with the HG Char's Zaku Origin model kit, but I bought both of these things and received neither freebee. I assume it must have been a handout in Japanese shops only.



Episode 2 was a bit fancier, just a bit.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.50.53%20PM.png

You get this large format (but very thin) book of select key animation frames. You also get a fake cel. I never understood the appeal of them, but here you go.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.51.52%20PM.png

Some nice drawings.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.52.26%20PM.png

You also get a 12x12 copy of the outer box art sans logos. This isn't very exciting, I'm afraid.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.53.52%20PM.png

Inside you get the same sort of thing you got with EP 1.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.54.56%20PM.png

A book with character designs and full direction.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.55.33%20PM.png

And other book with the comic layouts technique layed out.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.57.35%20PM.png

All in all I'm pretty happy with it. The only thing that I'm not super pumped about is just how flimsy every single thing in these boxes feels. Its soooo thin. They also either shrink wrapped or baggied every single dumb thing in these sets. The BRs themselves are shrinkwrapped into an outer sleeve thing which is then shrink wrapped itself to sit in that pocket with the thinner of the two books and the obi thing. Opening one of these produces a XMas day sized pile of plastic. Its all kind of "pretend" and false but I'm probably the only one that would see it that way. Other than that, this is exactly how I like my OVAs delivered. No commercials, no waiting around for YEARS for a US version, and a nice package that really puts you in the mood of the show.

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Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 00:00 

oh, what the hell. myself, i just make my own S-VHS demo tapes using a DVD source;

https://oi291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/JVC%20HR-S8000U/HR-S8000UJOHN5-4-111.jpg

https://oi291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/JVC%20HR-S8000U/HR-S8000U1-7-152_zps833ad9c3.jpgoriginal.jpg

https://oi291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/MITSUBISHI/HS-U80%20JOHNs%2011-12-14.jpg

https://oi291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/MITSUBISHI/HS-U80%2011-27-14%20CROP.jpg

https://oi291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/JVC%20HR-S8000U/ST-120%20MAXELL%20SQ%201988%207-26-15_zpssr8fpasw.jpg

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Posted: 31 Jan 2016, 19:54 

Crimson Rivers, The (2000) [PILF-2869]

For the community, some screenshots of one the last LD ever made.
You don't see it directly on my captures, but the picture quality is very good.
Dolby Digital has a new (at the time) intro that I've never seen on any other LD.
And it's fun because I speak french and I can enjoy this movie in French on a Japanese LD (!)

Anyway, I thought it would be nice to share some captures of this scarce title.

http://gammairbrush.com/Temp/LDDB/PILF-2869_01.JPG
http://gammairbrush.com/Temp/LDDB/PILF-2869_02.JPG
http://gammairbrush.com/Temp/LDDB/PILF-2869_03.JPG
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http://gammairbrush.com/Temp/LDDB/PILF-2869_27.JPG
http://gammairbrush.com/Temp/LDDB/PILF-2869_28.JPG
http://gammairbrush.com/Temp/LDDB/PILF-2869_29.JPG
http://gammairbrush.com/Temp/LDDB/PILF-2869_30.JPG
http://gammairbrush.com/Temp/LDDB/PILF-2869_31.JPG
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http://gammairbrush.com/Temp/LDDB/PILF-2869_33.JPG
http://gammairbrush.com/Temp/LDDB/PILF-2869_34.JPG
http://gammairbrush.com/Temp/LDDB/PILF-2869_35.JPG
http://gammairbrush.com/Temp/LDDB/PILF-2869_36.JPG

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 Post subject: Re: Done with hd-dvd
Posted: 08 Mar 2016, 23:19 

Actually there is no "load time" on LD, CED, VHD, Beta, VHS and alike analog media. Later players have digital TBC and 4 frame digital buffer for it. So the so called "load time" is 1/15th of a second:)

On another note, I think I am the only one who is still into HD-DVD. I just purchased a dozen more imports and rare demo discs. Buying lots result in many duplicates but this is good, I can have many back up discs. I am in no rush but I think within 5 years I can have a complete US released HD-DVD collection(with many duplicate back ups) with over a 100 imports.

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 Post subject: External Y/c 3D Comb Filter
Posted: 30 Dec 2016, 14:22 

I didn't know they were also sold separately by Imagenics.

From the description, it claims that it's the circuitry used in the LD-S9 and HLD-X9:

http://page23.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/o167914885
Attachment:
imagenics.jpg


Manual in Japanese is here.

Julien

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Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 14:55 

Watched Akira for the first time on LD recently. The version I have is the unsubtitled Japanese widescreen version, which is fine because i know the plot (does it have one? :lol: ).

I've watched the movie loads of times on VHS and on DVD a few times, and I think this one easily stacks up to the DVD version and much better than the VHS version. There's a lot to say about animated movies on LD played on a CRT, very nice. Cool gatefold cover as well.
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