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je280
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Post subject: 2nd chance offers on UK ebay - take care Posted: 12 Jun 2015, 00:13 |
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Joined: 13 Sep 2012, 23:14 Posts: 1199 Location: United Kingdom Has thanked: 265 times Been thanked: 259 times
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If any users here had bid (UK ebay) on laserdiscs listed by mikem9755 that went quite high recently please take care if you receive a second chance offer on any of them. There were quite a few including.....
Pioneer Peter Gabriel: All About US (1993) [PLMPA 00911] PAL LASER DISC Rare Qty: 1, £77.11
Whitney Houston: Welcome Home Heroes (1991) [PA-91-401] NTSC LASER DISC Qty: 1, £36.00
Now That's What I Call Music Video: vol.01 (1983) [PML NOW 1] PAL LASER DISC Qty: 1, £87.00 Now That's What I Call Music Video: vol.02 (1984) [PML NOW 2] PAL LASER DISC Qty: 1, £77.50
This has been mentioned in another thread but to cut to the quick the holder of ebay account mikem9755 had (still has?) full access to a "friends" ebay account.
The account is jagsmanuk on UK ebay.
The holder of the mikem9755 account listed laserdiscs & players for sale on jagsmanuk & used his own mikem9755 account to shill bid on his own discs on the aforementioned jagsmanuk account.
He is back, after quite a period of time using the mikem9755 account to bid on items only, now selling again on his own mikem9755 account.
After many many emails & ebay messages the only way to get any response was to bid so high on his discs that even the greediest shill bid (or non shill bid) would not win - I "won" quite a few. All messages were ignored except one email asking me not to send any further messages/questions via the ebay members message service, I sent a total of seven further messages via ebay & no reply to any until today & that was only after leaving negative feedback on his ebay mikem9755 account. Mike phoned today & asked if I would leave no more negative feedback & he would (after months of being ignored) meet to discuss a few things including his cross account bidding/selling activity. If this actually happens I will update.
He is registered on ebay as based in Ayrshire but that is not correct, he resides in Paisley (as does the registered holder of the jagsmanuk account) so he can be rather hard to track down.
He is a very active seller listing 50 to 100 items regularly & not all discs are shill bid up but a large number are.
I am pretty sure that none of us have any problems when discs prices go high when bidding against other genuine buyers but not if you are bidding against the seller using another account to "bid up" their own items.
Sorry folks, not much fun to say the very least.
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Post subject: Re: 2nd chance offers on UK ebay - take care Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 02:27 |
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je280 wrote: The holder of the jagsmanuk account did get back to me much more promptly asking me deal with the holder of the mikem0755 account only & not to make contact with him again through the ebay members message service,, no questions were answered.. Maybe it's time to report them to eBay for fraud? Julien
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je280
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Post subject: Re: 2nd chance offers on UK ebay - take care Posted: 26 Jun 2015, 22:52 |
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Joined: 13 Sep 2012, 23:14 Posts: 1199 Location: United Kingdom Has thanked: 265 times Been thanked: 259 times
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laserdisc_fan wrote: He plays a good game - I'll give him that Yes he does & it gets more bizarre, now getting weird emails & a strange message via ebay. I can do no more, up to ebay now & if anyone has bought any discs from the mikem9755 or jagsmanuk accounts & you have any doubts at all regarding any purchases please let ebay have the details - any information may be helpful. In the meantime I would strongly urge caution with any bids you may intend to place on the aforementioned accounts but it does look the mikem9755 account is the one being used as the "selling" account at the moment. He has just over 100 separate listings on mikem9755 for LDs at the moment. Take care.
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nextwednesday
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Post subject: Re: 2nd chance offers on UK ebay - take care Posted: 27 Jun 2015, 03:04 |
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Joined: 10 May 2007, 17:00 Posts: 217 Location: United Kingdom Has thanked: 11 times Been thanked: 12 times
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I've had experience buying from jagsmanuk.
I won an auction, paid the same day and then ... nothing.
Beginning eight days after auction end, I started sending all the necessary reminders through eBay. They specify a process: first a Request, then a Case with required periods of time between each one. Once it's possible to open a Case, one can claim a refund but if one doesn't within 3 days, it becomes impossible to do so.
After complete silence throughout, on the very day that enough time had passed for a Case to be opened, I got a conciliatory message from him saying that he'd been in hospital and that his dispatches were "even slower than normal". He went on to say that he had now dispatched the parcel and that he'd included another disc gratis. There was a tracking number, but it was showing nothing on the courier's website.
Now, because of the timing, I assumed that this was merely a tactic to delay me for 3 days - just long enough so that I couldn't claim a refund through eBay and they wouldn't pursue him in turn. So I claimed the refund from eBay immediately and they paid it within hours.
But lo and behold, the following day the tracking number came good and the parcel arrived the day after that. I paid jagsmanuk a second time through paypal and that was that.
So ultimately my experience was positive and I got a free LD. Whether the sob story was true I have no idea.
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je280
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Post subject: Re: 2nd chance offers on UK ebay - take care Posted: 29 Jun 2015, 00:58 |
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Both the above sound very familiar & like the situation Mike was in around a year & a half or so ago. If the story he told me back then was true he had got "snowed under & fallen behind" with customers orders that required sending out, quite a few were waiting for over 6 weeks. Around this time his ebay account had restrictions placed on it & he could not sell on the mikem9755 account (again if what he told me was true) as a number of customers wanted the discs they had bought but quite a few wanted refunds & he did not have the funds to cover the requested refunds. Checking his feedback it appears he is again now sending parcels out quite late & is including an "extra" disc in some - the same looks to have happened on the jagsmanuk account & that may be the reason for switching to the mikem9755 account again but it has not taken him long to fall behind yet again.
He spends a lot of time buying collections & will travel the length of the country picking up collections bought on ebay, some trips he has come back with a number of players & many hundreds of discs (on some occasions well over a thousand discs). This takes time & money as a van is hired (car for smaller pick-ups) plus fuel & subsistence would often take the pick-up costs to in excess of £350 easily. Sorting through the lots, checking the players, listing the items & holding down a full time job gave him little time for anything else but he appeared to be happy.
On one visit though (after one of his longer trips picking up collections) he appeared a bit down & when I asked if he was okay he let it all pour out, family issues, work pressure, money problems & I actually felt quite sorry for him (perhaps a mistake??). It seemed everything was getting to him & that was when he told me that he was also "sick of giving good lasers away for nothing". He pointed out that after all the costs were added up he could be losing money. I had picked up some nice discs & sets from him as he often had items ending in the morning or afternoon & if selling items they are not the best times to have auctions ending. I pointed out to him that if he had his auctions ending at a more appropriate time, not to start the better items at 99p or £1, add at least one picture that was clear (he used to list many items with poor out of focus pictures) & the usual other things that may help him achieve a more realistic price for the nicer items. I had picked up quite a few nice discs/sets over time & that did not appear to be an issue but the last discs I had bought via jagsmanuk (quite a while ago & not the ones just recently "bought" on mikem9755 to prove a point) were when things went very strange. It was after much toing & froing they all eventually arrived damaged & he began to ignore all communication. Again after much chasing I caught up with him & he told me that he felt that I had kicked him "in the balls" as the discs I had bought had cost him more to buy than the auctions achieved & he was "giving lasers away for nothing again". I pointed out to him that bidders/buyers are not aware of the price he has paid & in any case that is of no concern to buyers as he chooses the start price & it is an auction, we as bidders/buyers do not know the original cost of the discs. He pointed out that the work colleague who was giving him full access to the jagsmanuk account was due 10% of the total sales on the aforementioned account & that was leaving him less than he expected when everything was added up. Around this time things got really strange & he then totally ignored all forms of communication.
Perhaps the registered holder of the jagsmanuk account did not know that his friend would use the account to shill bid on items listed but who would hand full access (clearance passwords etcetera) to anyone else without keeping an eye on what is happening on the account. I did ask him if he was aware of what was happening on his account, he replied yes & that he listed all the items from his home on the jagsmanuk account - it was when I told him that I was with Mike as he was listing on the jagsmanuk account while I was with him in his flat that he asked me to make no further contact with him & to deal with Mike only. The cross account activity was blatant. Sending out an "extra" disc if parcels go out late is quite a regular practice with Mike on both the accounts, happened rather sooner than expected on the mikem9755 account as he has only recently started using it to sell on again. The excuses for late dispatch (if you get a response) can be rather dramatic, in hospital, very ill, even more ill, ebay issues, paypal issues, parcel sent out & it came back but it will be send out again, a bereavement, sick relatives, car issues (he does not have a car)..... the health issues & sick relatives ones are rather warped but perhaps that is just me.
The LD community is not that large, most users here will bid/buy on ebay but does anyone want to be bidding against the seller - genuine buyers fair enough but (& sorry to put it like this) to have the total p**s taken by a shill bidder is not on.
If I hear anything from Mike & if or when ebay get back I will update, in the meantime please bid with care.
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