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Author:  dwalterm [ 01 Nov 2011, 14:47 ]
Post subject:  Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
Would someone please explain for me what specifically is required to watch a squeeze or muse laserdisc? I'd also like to know what it takes for LD-G. I've never read a good detailed description. I haven't invested since price seems out of reach but I would like to understand.
For example:
Can I play a squeeze disc with any laserdisc player? If not, how do I know which players work as I haven't ever seen a logo for squeeze.
I assume for LD-G, I need specific players and certain laserdiscs. Do they all carry the LD-G logo?
Muse requires hardware muse decoder? plus special laserdisc player?
Author:  admin [ 01 Nov 2011, 16:07 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
Hello,

Squeeze LD

Yes, a Squeezed LD can be played on any LD player. The picture ratio will just look distorted and needs to be "unsqueezed" to fill up a 16/9 screen.

All visuals are explained here:

Anamorphic Widescreen [1.85:1~2.35:1]
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MUSE LD

MUSE LDs are 16/9 in nature and require a LD player that can read MUSE discs as well as a MUSE decoder.

LD-G

Few players had an integrated LD-G decoder (most obvious would be the CLD-R7G). Otherwise, like a CC decoder, an external LD-G (such as the LG-1 from Pioneer) is needed to added in real-time the LD-G captioning embedded in the video signal. And, yes, the LD player and the Disc will carry a LD-G logo:

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Julien
Author:  publius [ 01 Nov 2011, 16:24 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
See my sig link for an illustrated description of how to hook up a Hi-Vision LD player & MUSE decoder.

Squeeze LDs can be played back on any LD player, but you will need a 16:9 display. There's no difference in the encoding. Apparently Pioneer did consider, at one point, adding a "16:9" feature to its players (the front display of the CLD-D704 includes such a lamp, which is not used), but that would have been a user control to put +5 V on the C line of the S-Video connector, used in Japan to signal displays with switchable aspect-ratios that the incoming video was widescreen.
Author:  lons_vex [ 01 Nov 2011, 23:56 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
publius wrote:
Squeeze LDs can be played back on any LD player, but you will need a 16:9 display.


Or alternatively, a 4:3 display with a 16:9 switch. My old CRT had that, and Squeeze discs looked pretty nice on it.
You'll of course have black bars on top and bottom then though.
Author:  elahrairrah [ 02 Nov 2011, 14:48 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
Don't the majority of the LD-G built in players end with "G" in the model number?
Author:  yazorin [ 27 Nov 2011, 04:01 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
how much could I get for an LD+G decoder? im not seeing any on ebay right now..
Author:  publius [ 27 Nov 2011, 04:20 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
I'd buy it off you right now for $25, or trade you a DDP-1 AC-3 decoder for it. Santini sells them for 10 times that. One was listed on Yahoo Japan within the past three months for Y500 & didn't sell. How many more answers do you want?
Author:  takou [ 27 Nov 2011, 15:01 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
yazorin wrote:
how much could I get for an LD+G decoder? im not seeing any on ebay right now..


I've bought my LG-1 from Nicolas Santini $145, with remote.
Author:  lons_vex [ 27 Nov 2011, 23:56 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
takou wrote:
yazorin wrote:
how much could I get for an LD+G decoder? im not seeing any on ebay right now..


I've bought my LG-1 from Nicolas Santini $145, with remote.


I bought mine from n$a too, don't remember for how much though.
Author:  blam1 [ 06 Jun 2015, 17:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
Back in 2001, I paid n$a $225 for my LG-1. I just wish I could figure out if there are any languages other than english on any titles.
Author:  blam1 [ 06 Jun 2015, 17:42 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
Well, after digging around I found some Japanese LDG tracks - but only on the supplemental materials of the 1995 Definitive Star Wars Collection [PILF-2071]. I'd love to know if anyone come across any other languages on the feature itself.
Author:  virtualvcr [ 29 Jun 2015, 02:35 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
On the Aladdin releases, there's an LD-G track in Japanese explaining the various references the Genie makes. IIRC, there's also a few F-1 releases that have LD-G tracks that show various info on the Races, Drives, Cars, etc.
Author:  confederate [ 29 Jun 2015, 06:24 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
You can buy the LG-1 for very little money on Yahoo Auctions plus it is a very nice-looking device !
Author:  signofzeta [ 29 Jun 2015, 21:09 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
A shorter and much less technical answer: never mind, you don't actually want any of this unless you are a maniac or have very specific needs. These are great features, but with little to no great software to make use of them, they are pointless.
Author:  substance [ 30 Jun 2015, 00:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
I have the Pioneer LG-1 LD-G decoder. It is the only standalone LD-G decoder. It has a composite input and output. It has a digital optical input and output. You need to connect both composite and digital optical for it to work. It grabs the LD-G data from the digital tracks via optical input and lays it onto composite video. On my setup it introduced some noise(horizontal lines) and I removed it from my setup. It comes with a remote which also controls some basic functions on most pioneer players like play pause stop etc. You can move the ld-g graphics up and down with the buttons on the remote.

There is really 2 titles in japanese language and english ld-g subtitles. All the rest are english language films with english subtitles(ld-g). You should be able to find this decoder for about $100 shipped. LD-S9 and R7G has ld-g built in
Author:  happycube [ 30 Jun 2015, 06:13 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
For US models, the later Karaoke players that support CD-G also support LD-G. Definitely works on the V860 and DVL-V888 (both thrift store finds for me, although the V888 needs alignment work), and I don't see why other models wouldn't handle it either.
Author:  nems [ 30 Jun 2015, 14:17 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
happycube wrote:
For US models, the later Karaoke players that support CD-G also support LD-G. Definitely works on the V860 and DVL-V888 (both thrift store finds for me, although the V888 needs alignment work), and I don't see why other models wouldn't handle it either.


That is very interesting. Most of us thought that the only U.S. player with LD-G support was the Denon LA-3500.
Author:  substance [ 30 Jun 2015, 14:23 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
Denon LA-3500 doesn't support LD-G.
Author:  nems [ 02 Jul 2015, 23:32 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
substance wrote:
Denon LA-3500 doesn't support LD-G.

Is that a recent confirmation? I could swear I remember reading that it was supposed to support LD-G. Or am I thinking of a different US player?
Author:  substance [ 03 Jul 2015, 02:08 ]
Post subject:  Re: Squeeze and Muse and LD-G questions
I own one it doesn't do ld-g it does cd-g only
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