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 Post subject: Laserdisc with Spanish language or subtitles?
PostPosted: 27 Sep 2012, 00:29 
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Hello all!!
I used to visit this page every day (just like after check my email!!!), but I don't use to write very much because my poor english... (No, I don't use the translator and I'm still "learning" with the LD Movies!!)
Well, the question: is there any movie (or edition) with optional spanish language or subtitules (Closed Caption or not)?
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PostPosted: 27 Sep 2012, 01:10 
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Hi, welcome to the forum!

I've personally not encountered any laserdiscs with Spanish subtitles but I'm sure there are some out there. I have a PAL laserdisc that contains four subtitle languages via teletext, but none of them are Spanish.
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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc with spanish language or subtitules?
PostPosted: 27 Sep 2012, 03:11 
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Pocahontas (1995) [5741 AS],Aristocats, The (1970) [7561 CS], Jerry Maguire (1996) [82536] all have Spanish language tracks. There's bound to be others out there, but those are the only 3 I know of.
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PostPosted: 27 Sep 2012, 08:54 
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Desperado: Special Edition (1995) [11656]
Has spanish audio on analog left.
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PostPosted: 27 Sep 2012, 10:53 
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There are 140 titles in the database for which the primary language is Spanish.

One of those: Like Water for Chocolate (1992) [2111 AS] has Spanish as the primary, English as the secondary, non removeable English subtitles and English on CC, too! At least that's what the database says. Can that be right? Why have non-removeable subtitles and closed captions in the same language??
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PostPosted: 27 Sep 2012, 11:06 
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Here are some LDs with English primary language and Spanish as removable teletext captions.
Prizzi's Honor (1985) [PLFMB 30851]
Portrait of Jennie (1948) [PLFMB 31971]
Rebecca (1940) [PLFMB 31951]
Cabaret (1972) [PLFMB 30811]
...et al
Most of the PLFMB* ones meet these criteria, it seems.
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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc with spanish language or subtitules?
PostPosted: 27 Sep 2012, 12:14 
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Others of interest.

NTSC discs with English Primary and Spanish Secondary
ABC News Interactive: Powers of the President (1991) [88-4A]
Aristocats, The (1970) [2529 AS]
Interactive Nova: Animal Pathfinders (1993) [DCL88218]
Wizard of Oz, The (1939) [ML105204]
The last one above is interesting. Tri-lingual. English on the digital soundtrack, Spanish and French on Left/Right of the analogue soundtrack. Excellent!
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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc with spanish language or subtitules?
PostPosted: 27 Sep 2012, 16:44 
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WOW!! Thanks a lot! I'm really happy right now! I've found POCAHONTAS on my collection!! and, it's true! Spanish language in mono!
I also have the Cabaret one, with spanish subs on teletext, but my player doesn't play PAL discs...
By the way: I have around 300 titles, but I'm still don't take a look to everyone!
Thanks again for the info!
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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc with spanish language or subtitules?
PostPosted: 28 Sep 2012, 10:10 
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betocure wrote:
WOW!! Thanks a lot! I'm really happy right now! I've found POCAHONTAS on my collection!! and, it's true! Spanish language in mono!
I also have the Cabaret one, with spanish subs on teletext, but my player doesn't play PAL discs...
By the way: I have around 300 titles, but I'm still don't take a look to everyone!
Thanks again for the info!
Cheers

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Regarding those Teletext discs, I'm sorry to say that if you're in an NTSC country, then even if your LD player could play PAL discs, your TV probably couldn't decode the teletext captions anyway - a double problem.

Here in PAL-land, our TVs do display teletext with the push of a button, but we have to use an external decoder to read NTSC closed captions. Whether those external decoders would decode teletext in a PAL picture, I don't know. (I very much doubt it. I'll try it one day and post the result here.)
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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc with spanish language or subtitules?
PostPosted: 28 Sep 2012, 10:42 
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CC decoders do not decode Teletext.
Teletext is not used in Thailand, but many TV's have Teletext decoding built in.
Don't know if any CC cartridges existed for Spanish subtitles. Many NTSC laserdiscs in Thailand were provided with cartridges to plug into the CC decoder and you got Thai subtitles on US laserdiscs. They launched this in Belgium and the Netherlands too with Dutch subtitles but copyright issues prevented any further development.
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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc with spanish language or subtitules?
PostPosted: 28 Sep 2012, 11:43 
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belturner wrote:
CC decoders do not decode Teletext.
As suspected.

belturner wrote:
Don't know if any CC cartridges existed for Spanish subtitles. Many NTSC laserdiscs in Thailand were provided with cartridges to plug into the CC decoder and you got Thai subtitles on US laserdiscs. They launched this in Belgium and the Netherlands too with Dutch subtitles but copyright issues prevented any further development.
This device took the English CC stream from a decoder and converted it into another language? How did that work? Word-by-word dictionary translation? Sentence by sentence?
I'd be most interested in reading more about this - do you have a web reference for this?
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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc with spanish language or subtitules?
PostPosted: 28 Sep 2012, 16:53 
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Well, I hope you can understand my english...

In Argentina, we used to have PAL system (in the early days: VHS for example; and regular TV too). But, with the DVD, in mid 90's; everything went down: Zone 4 DVD's (Southamerica zone) are in NTSC; so old TV's were useless! Suddenly every new TV were BI-Norma (NTSC/PAL), as well as VCR's...
My actual TV (NTSC-PAL) have CC decoder, and pushing the button you can select: CC1, CC2, CC3, TEXT1, TEXT2, TEXT3... I don't know if these "TEXT" are for Teletext or something...
Ah! Pocahontas LD with spanish subs: This "spanish" is latin-spanish; not spanish from Spain.
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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc with spanish language or subtitules?
PostPosted: 28 Sep 2012, 17:05 
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betocure wrote:
Ah! Pocahontas LD with spanish subs: This "spanish" is latin-spanish; not spanish from Spain.
Cheers!

this might be how most LDs are with "spanish"
how are the DVDs, do you give you latin-spanish or Spain spanish?

good luck with finding LDs that will help you out.
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PostPosted: 28 Sep 2012, 18:28 
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betocure wrote:
Ah! Pocahontas LD with spanish subs: This "spanish" is latin-spanish; not spanish from Spain.
Cheers!

this might be how most LDs are with "spanish"
how are the DVDs, do you give you latin-spanish or Spain spanish?

good luck with finding LDs that will help you out.



I think, yes, if these LDs are USA editions, they are for latin-american people, so it would be Latin-spanish. The DVD's (zone 1 -USA- or 4 -Southamerica-), they come with latin-spanish. I like original language with spanish subs in movies; but, the kids, they want Spanish languages! on Disney movies basically...
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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc with Spanish language or subtitles?
PostPosted: 29 Sep 2012, 07:56 
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No, the cartridge was inserted into the CC decoder. The CC decoder had a slot to insert the cartridge on the front. The cartridge was developed for a specific laserdisc title, so the text would be displayed correctly with the movie. If you would enter another pressing with different side breaks and for example longer opening logo's the text would not be synchronised with the actual movie.
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PostPosted: 02 Oct 2012, 06:57 
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betocure wrote:
In Argentina, we used to have PAL system (in the early days: VHS for example; and regular TV too). But, with the DVD, in mid 90's; everything went down: Zone 4 DVD's (Southamerica zone) are in NTSC; so old TV's were useless! Suddenly every new TV were BI-Norma (NTSC/PAL), as well as VCR's...
We would say "dual-standard". There are many PAL/NTSC LD player models.

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My actual TV (NTSC-PAL) have CC decoder, and pushing the button you can select: CC1, CC2, CC3, TEXT1, TEXT2, TEXT3... I don't know if these "TEXT" are for Teletext or something...
Yes, that would be for TeleText/Ceefax.
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PostPosted: 04 Oct 2012, 21:27 
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betocure wrote:
In Argentina, we used to have PAL system (in the early days: VHS for example; and regular TV too). But, with the DVD, in mid 90's; everything went down: Zone 4 DVD's (Southamerica zone) are in NTSC; so old TV's were useless! Suddenly every new TV were BI-Norma (NTSC/PAL), as well as VCR's...
We would say "dual-standard". There are many PAL/NTSC LD player models.

betocure wrote:
My actual TV (NTSC-PAL) have CC decoder, and pushing the button you can select: CC1, CC2, CC3, TEXT1, TEXT2, TEXT3... I don't know if these "TEXT" are for Teletext or something...
Yes, that would be for TeleText/Ceefax.




Thank you for the info. So I would try to get a PAL/NTSC LD Player. There aren't too much over here... even a lot of them are useless by this time. I have a Philips LDP600WS, but the laser is dead (well, I think so; when I bought it, the guy told me that; and it doesn't work...)
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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc with Spanish language or subtitles?
PostPosted: 20 Jun 2016, 12:14 
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BTW - Ceefax is different (old format) from later World Standard Teletext (WST)


I want to buy external PAL TeleText (VideoText, TeleVideo) decoder with Remote.
Unit like NEC VX-101A or NEC TX-101NZ etc.
Needed is PAL unit with RCA - composite (or S-Video or SCART) in and out.
Can be also universal PAL/SECAM/NTSC external unit from 90ties.


Japanese NTSC units (NEC TX-1500; Fuijtsu-General TX-20/TX21) and US NABTS units (Panasonic TU-1000X) are not capable to decode PAL or WTS format.
Also I can't use special units paired with TV tuner or TV set (using TV remote) like: Sony TXT-100G; Grunding VT1000; JVC VU-V140E/V150E etc.

Thank you beforehand
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PostPosted: 20 Jun 2016, 16:49 
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Hello!

All standard NTSC releases with "Language #2 = Spanish":


All releases with Spanish as the main language (obviously mostly PAL Spain releases).

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PostPosted: 20 Jun 2016, 17:25 
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These are NTSC Spanish with English subtitles:

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