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Post subject: Re: Review of music laserdiscs re-issued on DVD or Blu-ray Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 04:01 |
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On top of my head, I was disappointed by the first DVD release of Peter Gabriel: Secret World Live (1994) [TOLW-3195] and put it in the comments: - The sound is slightly shifted from video
- The so-called "Widescreen" remaster is cropped version of the original 4:3 source. LD has more picture and the LD also is less grainy than the DVD which suffers from several compression artifacts.
Now I realize there was a DVD/BD remaster in 2012 and I'm not sure about the framing of this one but it has additional contents to the LD. Julien
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Post subject: Re: Review of music laserdiscs re-issued on DVD or Blu-ray Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 07:54 |
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Whitesnake Super Rock In Japan has been re-issued on DVD by Frontiers Records and it's called "Live '84 Back To The Bone". It is sourced from laserdisc...I have the inside scoop I have both and I have to say that I prefer the laserdisc version for many reasons first of all because they "tried" to remove the film grain effect from the original source to make it look cleaner but as a consequence, when the work is performed by computer software and not by high-end hollywood standard, the picture looks a bit blurry compared to the original LD.
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Post subject: Re: Review of music laserdiscs re-issued on DVD or Blu-ray Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 13:42 |
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Fleetwood Mac Mirage Tour '82 is an interesting one to compare. There was an analogue and later digital audio version issued in US Fleetwood Mac: In Concert - Mirage Tour (1982) [PA-83-048]Look out for the words Digital Audio in top right corner of the front sleeve to distinguish them. In addition the digital version has a tiny white rectangle on the spine that is missing from the analogue version: I also noticed the digital re-issue has a white rectangle placed over the top of some text that used to say 'Made in Japan' on the old analogue version: Both US versions featured 9 tracks and were 57 mins long: There was also a PAL laserdisc version and VHD version - both of which are 78 mins and feature 13 tracks: The four extra tracks are Blue Letter, Rihannon, Tusk and Songbird. Be advised the PAL laserdisc being very old only features analogue audio but at least it has the entire concert unlike either US version. It is however more likely to suffer from rot being such an early PAL LD. My own personal copy plays very well though so decent copies definitely do exist. PAL LD tracks: A DVD of this concert was first issued in 2005: I actually purchased this one year before I started collecting laserdiscs. Here's the track listing for the DVD: So the DVD contains all 13 songs so is the same version as the PAL LD and VHD. The DVD is long since out of print so if you find a copy it will probably be fairly expensive since it was only available for a few years and then deleted. It has never been re-issued again. The US laserdisc versions are relatively easy to track down whereas the PAL and VHD versions are a good deal rarer. Very recently Fleetwood Mac released a deluxe re-issue of the Mirage album. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mirage-Deluxe- ... mirage+dvdI was expecting this deluxe edition might include the DVD as a companion but this concert was omitted. Whatever you do don't buy this unofficial Brazilian release on DVD which doesn't even show the correct lineup on the cover at the time of the mirage tour - totally fake product!! https://www.discogs.com/Fleetwood-Mac-I ... se/5077020So all in all this title is quite tough to find a genuine version on any format these days. The US second pressing with enhanced digital audio is probably the safest purchase but even it will probably set you back $40 USD and is missing 4 of the tracks from the concert. If you're lucky you might find someone selling a used copy of the DVD cheap but it's been out of print for a long time. Glad I bought the DVD cheap back in 2005 when it had just been issued. Given it contains the full concert the DVD version is probably the best overall release available to date both in terms of quality (no laser rot) and completeness but try finding one!!
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Post subject: Re: Review of music laserdiscs re-issued on DVD or Blu-ray Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 14:24 |
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mikematijevic wrote: Whitesnake Super Rock In Japan has been re-issued on DVD by Frontiers Records and it's called "Live '84 Back To The Bone". It is sourced from laserdisc...I have the inside scoop I have both and I have to say that I prefer the laserdisc version for many reasons first of all because they "tried" to remove the film grain effect from the original source to make it look cleaner but as a consequence, when the work is performed by computer software and not by high-end hollywood standard, the picture looks a bit blurry compared to the original LD. The original laserdisc version has one of the most stunning covers ever printed: A DVD version did surface in 2007 - I bought it at the time to compare: I hate the DVD cover as it isn't the original lineup of the band and instead features a recent photo of them. The full concert is however included on the DVD except they left off band member interview clips included on the laserdisc. Quality wise this DVD looks to be at least sourced from laserdisc as it is pretty decent to watch but I still think the original LD is clearer to watch and of course that cover can never be matched in a DVD format but at least they could have tried!!
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Post subject: Re: Review of music laserdiscs re-issued on DVD or Blu-ray Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 14:42 |
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laserdisc_fan wrote: mikematijevic wrote: Whitesnake Super Rock In Japan has been re-issued on DVD by Frontiers Records and it's called "Live '84 Back To The Bone". It is sourced from laserdisc...I have the inside scoop I have both and I have to say that I prefer the laserdisc version for many reasons first of all because they "tried" to remove the film grain effect from the original source to make it look cleaner but as a consequence, when the work is performed by computer software and not by high-end hollywood standard, the picture looks a bit blurry compared to the original LD. The original laserdisc version has one of the most stunning covers ever printed: A DVD version did surface in 2007 - I bought it at the time to compare: I hate the DVD cover as it isn't the original lineup of the band and instead features a recent photo of them. The full concert is however included on the DVD except they left off band member interview clips included on the laserdisc. Quality wise this DVD looks to be at least sourced from laserdisc as it is pretty decent to watch but I still think the original LD is clearer to watch and of course that cover can never be matched in a DVD format but at least they could have tried!! I agree on everything. The DVD version issued by Frontiers is not bad and of course way better than bootleg copies that have been circulating for years but the laserdisc looks and sounds better imho. The LD cover is awesome, one of my favourites. PS: I forgot to mention that at least the digipack DVD+CD version cost me only 10 euro during a Frontiers Festival. That's the reason why I offered myself as middleman in order to purchase Frontiers stuff during the next festival. You can get stuff on the cheap. Bought some great box sets for 5/8/10 euro, brand new of course. My service is free of charges for you, in case you change your mind
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Post subject: Re: Review of music laserdiscs re-issued on DVD or Blu-ray Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 16:23 |
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There is no exact equivalent for the laserdisc Robert Palmer: The Very Best of Robert Palmer - The Videos (1995) [TOLW-3222] so I'm showing the nearest equivalent that is available on DVD currently: Both the laserdisc and DVD have advantages/disadvantages. The LD version contains 16 tracks (5 of which are unique to the laserdisc version): 1 Addicted To Love 2 Bad Case Of Loving You (Doctor, Doctor) 3 Simply Irresistible 4 Get It On 5 Some Guys Have All The Luck 6 I Didn't Mean To Turn You On 7 Looking For Clues 8 You Are In My System 9 Some Like It Hot 10 Respect Yourself (only on LD) 11 I'll Be Your Baby Tonight (only on LD)12 Johnny & Mary 13 She Makes My Day (only on LD)14 Know By Now (only on LD)15 Every Kinda People 16 Mercy Mercy Me / I Want You (only on LD)The DVD contains 18 tracks (7 of which are unique to the DVD version): 1 Sneakin' Sally Thru The Alley (only on DVD)2 Which One Of Us Is The Fool (only on DVD) 3 Man Smart, Woman Smarter (only on DVD) 4 Bad Case Of Loving You (Doctor Doctor) 5 Johnny & Mary 6 Looking For Clues 7 Some Guys Have All The Luck 8 Pride (only on DVD)9 You Are In My System 10 Some Like It Hot 11 Get It On 12 Riptide (only on DVD) 13 Addicted To Love 14 I Didn't Mean To Turn You On 15 Discipline Of Love (only on DVD)16 Sweet Lies (only on DVD)17 Simply Irresistible 18 Every Kinda People Picture quality on both editions is superb. Given the fact that so many tracks are unique to both versions I would regard both the laserdisc and DVD as essential purchases if you are Robert Palmer fan. Bear in mind the DVD was released back in 2003 so is long since deleted. The good news is it sold in high volumes so is relatively easy to still locate second hand although will be around 2-3 times the original price. The LD version which came out in 1995 is a good deal tougher to find these days as it was only released in Japan and sold in much smaller quantities.
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Post subject: Re: Review of music laserdiscs re-issued on DVD or Blu-ray Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 16:50 |
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Everything But The Girl: Everything But The Girl (1992) [TFLR-78523] got a direct DVD release but only in Japan: It seems the only difference is the little red e in the word 'the' on the DVD front cover! Hope you spotted that subtle difference too!! It's a popular misconception that DVDs are always cheaper than laserdiscs but that's only the case if they are still in print. Most music LDs have a shelf life of about 2 years and then they are deleted and often not re-issued. I have tended to find that the DVD version is often priced to be more expensive than the laserdisc version on places like Ebay. The DVD came out in 2007 so has been deleted for about 7 years. The cheapest way to locate either is direct from Japan. I managed to pickup a cheap copy of the DVD just for comparison. I'd be happy with either release although I still prefer the audio & cover on the laserdisc version and since it is easier and usually a lot cheaper to find, the LD version gets my thumbs up
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Post subject: Re: Review of music laserdiscs re-issued on DVD or Blu-ray Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 17:21 |
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Only one of the three (actually 4) Howard Jones laserdiscs has been re-issued to date. The original best of laserdisc came out in 1993 and it would 20 years before any official DVD equivalent was released in 2013: Still the laserdisc features 3 live cuts not available on the DVD version: The DVD includes 5 more recent music videos plus 3 alternative versions of some earlier tracks: The DVD mentions it is widescreen version 16:9 letterbox. The initial DVDs sold were numbered on the back as shown - mine being No: 330. I don't think these were as limited as first advertised because they can still be bought direct from Howard's site 3 years later. Since all of his albums have also been remastered & re-issued over the last few years, I would highly doubt that the two earlier Howard Jones concerts available only on Japanese LD (the first one issued twice) will ever see the light of day now.
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Post subject: Re: Review of music laserdiscs re-issued on DVD or Blu-ray Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 19:22 |
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Siouxsie and the Banshees: Once Upon a Time (1981) [JM038-0049] and Siouxsie and the Banshees: Twice Upon A Time (1992) [POLP-1006] or the US version Siouxsie and the Banshees: Twice Upon a Time (1992) [PA-93-501] have never been re-issued since the original laserdiscs came out - the first over 31 years ago: The nearest equivalent I could find is this 2CD/DVD best of originally released in 2004: On the surface it seems quite a nice package. You get 2 CDs including quite a few extended or alternative mixes on one of the discs plus a DVD with 14 videos in a elegant foldout card box with some separate liner notes. You should always pay close inspection though. The original 8" Japanese Once Upon A Time LD featured 9 music videos (3 of which have never been re-issued on DVD): Hong Kong Garden The Staircase (Mystery) (only on LD) Playground Twist (only on LD) Happy House Christine Red Light (only on LD) Israel Spellbound Arabian Knights The later Twice Upon A Time laserdiscs featured a further 15 music videos (8 of which have never been re-issued): Fireworks (Only on LD) Slowdive (Only on LD) Dear Prudence Dazzle (Only on LD)Cities In Dust Candyman (Only on LD) This Wheel's On Fire The Passenger (Only on LD)Peek-A-Boo The Killing Jar The Last Beat Of My Heart (Only on LD) Kiss Them For Me Shadowtime (Only on LD) Fear (Of The Unknown) (Extended Version) (Only on LD) Face To Face In comparison the later DVD features 14 tracks (only 1 of which is not on laserdisc): Dear Prudence Hong Kong Garden Cities In Dust Peek-A-Boo Happy House Kiss Them For Me Face To Face Israel Christine Spellbound Stargazer (only on DVD) Arabian Knights The Killing Jar This Wheel's On Fire For me this was a no brainer the laserdiscs are vastly superior since between them they feature a staggering 11 music videos not yet on DVD. My favourite Siouxsie songs are the synth laden 'Red Light' and also Spellbound on the little 8" Japanese LD -both still look & sound amazing to this day. That laserdisc would be in my top 10 all time favourites in my entire collection of over 9000 discs, I've watched it so often.
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Post subject: Re: Review of music laserdiscs re-issued on DVD or Blu-ray Posted: 21 Oct 2016, 09:37 |
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Pretenders: The Singles (1987) [WPLR-74] and the DVD http://www.allmusic.com/album/greatest-hits-dvd-mw0001421183Content wise not all on LD are on DVD (and other way round) But also the clips are different (e.g. Brass In Pocket where on LD there are some snippets of a live performance mixed into the clip, where on the DVD this is not) Audio wise I prefer the LD, sounds more crisp compared to PCM track on DVD. Overall I would say DVD is a complementary item as it features different and additional clips not found on LD.
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Post subject: Re: Review of music laserdiscs re-issued on DVD or Blu-ray Posted: 21 Oct 2016, 20:17 |
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edwin240170 wrote: Interesting to see the U for Universal Film Classification on the laserdisc version!
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Post subject: Re: Review of music laserdiscs re-issued on DVD or Blu-ray Posted: 22 Oct 2016, 07:09 |
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laserdisc_fan wrote: Interesting to see the U for Universal Film Classification on the laserdisc version! Probably taken verbose from the UK VHS cover? Julien
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Post subject: Re: Review of music laserdiscs re-issued on DVD or Blu-ray Posted: 22 Oct 2016, 10:15 |
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All of the tracks on laserdisc Talk Talk: It's My Life [JM034-0035] have been re-issued on this 2 disc CD/ DVD Best Of: There are two versions of track 'Talk Talk' and 'Dum Dum Girl' on the DVD. The DVD also features 6 other tracks not on the 8" LD including the beautiful 'Believe In You' albeit in edited version for the single release. The DVD version shown is from 2007. It has been re-issued several times with slightly different packaging and is inexpensive to purchase. The only catch is it only appears to be available on PAL format for those of you in NTSC world!
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Post subject: Re: Review of music laserdiscs re-issued on DVD or Blu-ray Posted: 22 Oct 2016, 11:08 |
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Joni Mitchell: Painting with Words and Music (1998) [VALG-1053] has been re-issued on DVD and more recently as a Standard Definition (SD) Blu-ray: Notice she is holding a cigarette on the Laserdisc cover: On the Blu-ray edition the cigarette and part of her fingers have been airbrushed out: The Blu-ray was a 2 for 1 package also containing another Joni release called 'Woman of Heart & Mind' which was never available on Laserdisc. Laserdisc track listing: Blu-ray track listing which is identical except for the inclusion of the other program content in 'Woman of Heart & Mind': Total running time of Blu-ray is 204 mins compared with 100 mins for the LD. A US AC-3 version of the same laserdisc exists Joni Mitchell: Painting With Words and Music (1998) [ID5513ER]The Blu-ray mentions Eagle Vision's SD Blu-ray range presents upscaled standard definition original material with uncompressed stereo and DTS HD High Resolution surround sound for the best possible quality. Video: 1080i High Definition Widescreen 16x9 (1.78:1) Audio: DTS HD Master Audio, LPCM Stereo Given the inclusion of so much extra content on the Blu-ray, albeit from another program and the fact the Blu-ray was very cheap to buy its difficult not to recommend it. I'm going to watch both back to back this evening and compare the video and audio quality but I would not expect that much difference given this is a Standard Definition Blu-ray.
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Post subject: Re: Review of music laserdiscs re-issued on DVD or Blu-ray Posted: 22 Oct 2016, 15:54 |
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The nearest equivalent to laserdisc The Christians: The Collection [VALS-3263] is the DVD shown: Laserdisc features 9 tracks (2 of which are exclusive to LD): Ideal World Harvest For The World Words Born Again I Found Out (only on LD)When The Fingers Point Greenbank Drive Forgotten Town Community Of Spirit (only on LD)DVD features 12 tracks (5 of which are unique to DVD): Forgotten Town Hooverville (only on DVD) When The Fingers Point Ideal World Born Again Words Greenback Drive What's In A Word (only on DVD) Father (only on DVD)Harvest For The World Perfect Moment (only on DVD) The Bottle (only on DVD)So both are complimentary to each other. I love the cover of 'The Bottle' only on the DVD originally written by Gil Scott-Heron in 1974.
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