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Post subject: Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) Posted: 07 May 2018, 05:17 |
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signofzeta wrote: I remember Disclord saying something about how the LD-W1 was in production for some time and had some sort of improvements to it over the years. The one picture above is from March 1991. How old is yours? ( per the serial number) Julien
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Post subject: Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) Posted: 11 May 2018, 19:41 |
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primetarget wrote: Yes does anyone have one with a production date newer than 1988? Mine are from 04/1988 & 12/1988.
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Post subject: Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) Posted: 15 May 2018, 17:08 |
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our once-esteemed ex-service guru Duncan Hunter, once claimed once that PIONEER U.S. had held a large unsold backstock of LD-W1 for years, and, eventually, instead of offering them to the public at some sort of steep discount or something, just had them all "Destroyed" in order to claim on the tax or insurance values, or some hokum like that.
Irreplaceable Treasures, Wasted. Very, very, regrettable...
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Post subject: Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) Posted: 27 Nov 2018, 20:57 |
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mrfe wrote: Was this able to play both NTSC / PAL? No
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Post subject: Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 00:55 |
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signofzeta wrote: I remember Disclord saying something about how the LD-W1 was in production for some time and had some sort of improvements to it over the years. I wonder if a multi-color display was part of that. Mine is all orange. The Multi-Color display is the Japanese variant. Not sure why Japan got the cool displays and the rest of us are stuck with orange.
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Post subject: Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 03:34 |
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tasuke wrote: PIONEER U.S. had held a large unsold backstock of LD-W1 for years, and, eventually, instead of offering them to the public at some sort of steep discount or something, just had them all "Destroyed".
Irreplaceable Treasures, Wasted. Very, very, regrettable... Very sad but most likely to be true, some companies really don't want to "devalue" their product which is perhaps understandable & when new lines are introduced things like that can happen. I was told many years ago that a similar thing happened to quite a number of PHILIPS LD players here in the UK, VLP-600-700s & perhaps others suffered a similar fate & ended up in landfill sites - apparently even after very drastic price reductions (including the "early" UK disc releases) retailers basically could not give the things away. Music 'n' Light in Glasgow were one of the few retailers who stuck with the format through the fraught early years here in the UK & they were very helpful with info from back then. Quite a number of disc returns also back in the day but most were PAL PDO Blackburn pressed. I could not get any accurate figures on the dumped numbers of PHILIPS players but the closest I could get was "a few hundred units" but given the very slow uptake & low sales I am not sure if it was as large a number as that. The early PAL PHILIPS players were not really a loss when you look back but I agree the PIONEER LD-W1 units are a very sad loss indeed but companies can be rather ruthless & to them perhaps they were more hassle than they were worth. Still sad to think of such a fate for them. The amount of new but "redundant" stuff that ends up in landfill sites is quite shocking. Does anyone know how many PIONEER units suffered such a sad end?
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Post subject: Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) Posted: 30 Jan 2019, 09:45 |
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Ok so I’ve decided it’s time to see what broke in my W1 and it looks to be a relatively simple fix. A pin that used to attach to a spring broke from its plastic socket.
I think I can get it going again pretty easily but I’d love it if someone could send me a pic of the inside of their W1 just so I can verify what normal is. With the cover off, I just need to see the big white gear that rotates the big cast aluminum bridge. When viewed with the cover off, near the back, on the opposite side of the power button bar. There should be a small spring on the big white gear wheel, it seems it’s there to dampen some motion or impact, I don’t know.
Anyway, when that spring hops off (in my case because the upper peg came out) the entire bridge will rotate freely and your stuff won’t play.
This broke at some point last year, after nearly 30 years of service. Built in July 1988.
EDIT: There's some kind of service manual archive around here, isn't there? I can't seem to find it.
EDIT EDIT: I found it, there doesn't seem to be a manual for the LD-W1 though.
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Post subject: Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) Posted: 09 Feb 2022, 07:18 |
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Hey Zeta, I know this is a fairly old post but I think you mentioned recently that your W1 was still out of commission. Thus, I hope this pic of the rotator gear will help w/ your issue. From what I can tell in the service manual, there are two sets of gears + springs sandwiched together and positioned 180 degrees from each other to act as a position lock to assure the transport is always perfectly stable when clamping a disc for A & B side. If you still have the broken part, it should be doable to glue back but I would see about reinforcing it w/ a plastic sheet all around the crack to act as a cast (that's what I had to do w/ a plastic spring retainer on the door of my 3030 and it has been going strong five years in now).
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Post subject: Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) Posted: 13 Feb 2023, 20:40 |
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Yup... It was the very first flipper. Thus, I can assume that maybe Pioneer was too busy trying to make this very unique machine work and didn't think of having a special name for the mechanism. I suppose they started the naming conventions afterwards to help differentiate all their future designs. Anyway, "W" is a great nickname for the player .
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