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Author:  monetri [ 14 Mar 2016, 15:53 ]
Post subject:  Slipping discs/spindle on Pioneer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE1h8Z1Ndjo
I made this short clip today. According to the web i realized its the common issue. I cleaned up upper spindle and motor rubber too. Actually, it is not a real rubber what i noticed but it looks the same like all spindle rubber over the web. That not helped much. Also, that "rubber" is not detachable from the spindle and im not clear what it means when people suggest to change the ring/rubber.

Otherwise the player works great, its only that issue which follows to open and changing sides not to operate as it should and the disc sometimes starting to wildly rotates on too much speed that laser gives up to track (when reaching the end of the side A, slowest speed, then turning to other direction leads to nowhere...)

Should i glue some old belt to the motor spindle rubber area or there is some more elegant solution? :)

Thanks!
Author:  krbahr [ 14 Mar 2016, 22:25 ]
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There is a thin rubber sheet on top of the spindle motor cut into a ring and it does have a sticky back so you can peel it off and replace it. It you just glue on some rubber then you could create height issues with the laser on some discs and the top clamp portion could bottom out.
Author:  monetri [ 14 Mar 2016, 22:49 ]
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Thank you for your reply.
Yes, i understand that adding a layer of the ruber on existing one isnt good idea and certinly id like to avoid that.
So that ring could really be peeled of off the spindle? It seemed to me like an one pieced part. Ill try it again when i open it.

Another idea, how about increasing the spring's pressure?
Author:  tony426 [ 15 Mar 2016, 02:36 ]
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monetri wrote:

So that ring could really be peeled of off the spindle? It seemed to me like an one pieced part. Ill try it again when i open it.


This picture shows how easily the ring can be removed:

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Author:  rein-o [ 15 Mar 2016, 05:20 ]
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Yes, it's very thin, I don't know if someone can buy rubber that thin to make a replacement???
I believe its only something you buy already made.

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Author:  monetri [ 15 Mar 2016, 07:24 ]
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Oh man, i see now, i really couldnt tell....
Ok, and what about replacement, any substitute, an idea..?
Regards
Author:  edwin240170 [ 15 Mar 2016, 12:18 ]
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It is unfortunately a non replaceable part with Pioneer, so you need to look for alternatives, google on "very thin adhesive tape anti slip", there are some possibilities, but you need to buy a role.
Author:  monetri [ 15 Mar 2016, 18:26 ]
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That's what i wanted to know. So it is only mostly important that the new non slip layer is about the same thikness as the old one and that it has a nice grip :) The rest of the case is a DIY only xD

btw, today i was watching two discs, 4 sides and non a single slip at all! Obviously it depends about the discs too, their labels or i dont know :D It was working like a charm!

Another issue happened but its not for this topic. Thank you!
Author:  krbahr [ 16 Mar 2016, 03:37 ]
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Here is the link for the part from Pioneer USA, Pioneer part number VEB1237

http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/par ... um=VEB1237

You'll have to find someone that can order the part for you in your location.
Author:  edwin240170 [ 16 Mar 2016, 13:14 ]
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Interesting to see this on the website from Pioneer, as VEB1237 is marked as Non Serviceable Part (NSP) as Pioneer states : "Parts marked by NSP are generally unavailable because they are not in our Master Spare Parts List".

However be careful as this part is mentioned in the service manual for CLD-99, but not for CLD-Dxxx
Looking at the pictures the motor and mechanics are different, so there is a risk.
Author:  happycube [ 16 Mar 2016, 19:10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Slipping discs/spindle on Pioneer
They probably changed their mind eventually because of it's failure rate.

I think the 99 uses the same slip pad as the 503/70x. Sure you're looking at the 503/703/704 parts list? The 504 and later are indeed quite different.
Author:  signofzeta [ 16 Mar 2016, 23:48 ]
Post subject:  Re: Slipping discs/spindle on Pioneer
I think they developed the rubber pad as a service part because until then they were warenteeing $250 spindle motors.
Author:  krbahr [ 18 Mar 2016, 03:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: Slipping discs/spindle on Pioneer
CLD-53/79/99, CLD-D503/703/704 all use the VEB1237, There are also a few Japanese/European models based of these like the CLD-D99,CLD-HF7G/HF9G to name a few that use the same pad.
Author:  monetri [ 19 Mar 2016, 12:32 ]
Post subject:  Re: Slipping discs/spindle on Pioneer
krbahr wrote:
CLD-53/79/99, CLD-D503/703/704 all use the VEB1237, There are also a few Japanese/European models based of these like the CLD-D99,CLD-HF7G/HF9G to name a few that use the same pad.
....including D570 too ;)
Author:  monetri [ 25 Mar 2016, 19:20 ]
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Just ordered one famous VEB1237 :)
Thank you Krbahr ;)
Author:  Guest [ 26 Mar 2016, 01:18 ]
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monetri wrote:
Just ordered one famous VEB1237 :)
Thank you Krbahr ;)



gde si narucio this anti slipping seal ring?
from european webshop or where?

VEB1237 does it fit several players like Pioneer DVL-909 and R7G players
Author:  monetri [ 26 Mar 2016, 10:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: Slipping discs/spindle on Pioneer
carlosthejackal wrote:
monetri wrote:
Just ordered one famous VEB1237 :)
Thank you Krbahr ;)



gde si narucio this anti slipping seal ring?
from european webshop or where?

VEB1237 does it fit several players like Pioneer DVL-909 and R7G players
Try to contact member krbahr and take a look on this topic http://forum.lddb.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1710 It seems like slightly different part but it can be used.
Author:  Guest [ 26 Mar 2016, 12:47 ]
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ok, greit thanks man
Author:  monetri [ 11 Apr 2016, 09:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: Slipping discs/spindle on Pioneer
I just want to let you Know that the rubber arrived 7 days ago but i was away untill yesterday.
I have to say that i couldnt wait to install it :lol: I could really peel off the old rubber, clean the surface with an alcohol and carefully put the new one. The First thing that i tried was to test the most slippery disc :lol: and it was working like a charm! I must admit thar in all that excitment i forgot to install back the spindle spring and the center part up to that spring :oops: :lol: but even withput it the disc didnt do even a single slip and stopping the disc was like never before.
Now my D570 is in perfect working order :clap:
@krbahr thanks!
Author:  krbahr [ 11 Apr 2016, 22:07 ]
Post subject:  Re: Slipping discs/spindle on Pioneer
Glad to help
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