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I would say the first thing you do when you get a new LD player is to tweak the pots. It's the advice I got here and it really paid off.

forper wrote:

I would say the first thing you do when you get a new LD player is to tweak the pots. It's the advice I got here and it really paid off.

Is there a guide to this?

I would say the first thing you do when you get a new LD player is to tweak the pots. It's the advice I got here and it really paid off.

samaron wrote:

Perhaps I should start to convince the others to smoke outside. Guess the reason they smoke in "my" room is because I haven't complained about it. The rest of the house in general isn't smoked in. I cleaned the walls once, that wasn't a pleasant sight after 15 years. Some things get more dirty than others in my experience. From your description, it sounds like especially the lubricant used absorb crud and start to degrade. Considering I own a farily expensive model, I wouldn't want to cause it to fail by lack of proper lubrication.

Believe me it is not a pleasant experience removing that kind of sludge inside. The thing with the dvl unit was it looked... dried out in a way inside. Plastics looked deteriorated, dried out ... I don't know. Felt brittle like chips :lol:

My HLD-X0 died yesterday.
Not special sound or anything strange. Just the disc stopped to load.
I tried to let it repair by pioneer. They took 6000 yens for the check. But they said they can do nothing.
Then I will certainly sell it for parts. The tray opens/close perfectly, and the aspect of the player is so good state.... too bad.

Less techs and no parts equals non working players.

Author:	retrolaservision [ 09 Apr 2017, 08:22 ]
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Well I repaired my ld player which I bought as broken. My ld player is pioneer ld v200

Author:	brmanuk [ 09 Apr 2017, 10:11 ]
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forper wrote: I would say the first thing you do when you get a new LD player is to tweak the pots. It's the advice I got here and it really paid off. Is there a guide to this?

Author:	laserdisc_fan [ 09 Apr 2017, 16:33 ]
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brmanuk wrote: forper wrote: I would say the first thing you do when you get a new LD player is to tweak the pots. It's the advice I got here and it really paid off. Is there a guide to this? I think forper is joking. He took the advice from someone to tweak the pots on one of his players and it's been reduced to a good doorstep ever since.

Author:	Guest [ 09 Apr 2017, 17:50 ]
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What a coincidence, my CLD-D504 broke! All is not lost though, I tweaked the pots on my CLD-S201 and it looks pretty good now and has been promoted to office laserdisc player.

Author:	rein-o [ 09 Apr 2017, 18:24 ]
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forper wrote: I would say the first thing you do when you get a new LD player is to tweak the pots. It's the advice I got here and it really paid off. Yeah don't start going willy nilly in those players. Those turns should also be very slight IF you do them, About 1/8th or less to see what to do without a scope etc. But you still take a risk without the use of the scope and reading the service manual.

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Author:	samaron [ 11 Apr 2017, 15:52 ]
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kris wrote: samaron wrote: Perhaps I should start to convince the others to smoke outside. Guess the reason they smoke in "my" room is because I haven't complained about it. The rest of the house in general isn't smoked in. I cleaned the walls once, that wasn't a pleasant sight after 15 years. Some things get more dirty than others in my experience. From your description, it sounds like especially the lubricant used absorb crud and start to degrade. Considering I own a farily expensive model, I wouldn't want to cause it to fail by lack of proper lubrication. Believe me it is not a pleasant experience removing that kind of sludge inside. The thing with the dvl unit was it looked... dried out in a way inside. Plastics looked deteriorated, dried out ... I don't know. Felt brittle like chips Tried to suggest less smoking today. The idea wasn't much welcome. Were in touch with another person who has worked with electronic service. He said the smoke also could get into the optics and basically ruin the laser for good. Not sure how high risk it is with smoking and the potential damage to equipment. Guess it would have to be a lot of smoke while the equipment is operating. Very rare the others smoke while it is in use. Doubt much get into my equipment.

Author:	forper [ 12 Apr 2017, 08:42 ]
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Smoke if you got 'em!

Author:	dilb [ 08 May 2017, 17:14 ]
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Think signofzeta hit the nail on the head. Some of these machines have been around the world more times than enough. How can anything handled that much stay in good shape. Again, if you are the first or second owner of a well kept machine you are one of the lucky ones. Have a number of machines and run them occasionally even when not using them for any extended period of time.

Author:	tasuke [ 08 May 2017, 20:41 ]
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i give my 1988 CLD-3030 a little exercise at least one per month, same for my two 1988 TOTL S-VHS decks, MITSUBISHI HS-U80 and JVC HR-S8000U. i managed to completely dismantle my prime 3030 down to individual component blocks, and refit everything lubing all mechanics and tidily dressing all wiring, and generally learning along the way how to maintain and service the player, at least mechanically. so, even though i'm a small fry in the remaining LD enthusiast community, with a rather tiny disc collection, i figure i'm in a better position than many in regards to keeping/maintaining my personal LDP, so long as the supply of good parts donor CLD-1030 and -3030 examples out there last...

Author:	rein-o [ 08 May 2017, 21:09 ]
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WOW I play at least one player a day, or every other day. No wonder I've burned out lasers

Author:	tasuke [ 08 May 2017, 22:24 ]
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yeah, i do baby mine, especially since i don't watch all that many movies in the grand scheme, and my modest LD collection is heavy in Anime and 1980's films i grew up with, and i've seen all of it in the past so many times that i only very occasionally get the hankering to watch most of them once more. indeed, LD is more a working museum piece for me these days, as is VHS, now that my family has recently thinned our once colossal prerecorded VHS library way the hell down. LD holds significant place in my heart, right beside VHS and BETAMAX, and the CLD-3030 will always have a place in my vintage/modern A/V system, but as a Home Video format, active daily driver it most certainly isn't...

Author:	mimylovesjapan [ 28 Jun 2017, 11:17 ]
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My HLD-X0 died yesterday. Not special sound or anything strange. Just the disc stopped to load. I tried to let it repair by pioneer. They took 6000 yens for the check. But they said they can do nothing. Then I will certainly sell it for parts. The tray opens/close perfectly, and the aspect of the player is so good state.... too bad.

Author:	rein-o [ 28 Jun 2017, 16:47 ]
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Sorry to hear about your X0 But this is just the sad future of LD. Less techs and no parts equals non working players.

Author:	laserpaal [ 28 Jun 2017, 18:17 ]
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mimylovesjapan wrote: My HLD-X0 died yesterday. Not special sound or anything strange. Just the disc stopped to load. I tried to let it repair by pioneer. They took 6000 yens for the check. But they said they can do nothing. Then I will certainly sell it for parts. The tray opens/close perfectly, and the aspect of the player is so good state.... too bad. I'm sorry about your loss. They couldn't do anything, as in that they no longer have parts supply? Don't give up on it yet, down the line there could be a fix. Did they confirm what the actual problem was?

Author:	signofzeta [ 29 Jun 2017, 00:52 ]
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There is a not so bad side to that. A great deal of the "better" or "newer" features from LD's later days are falling out of favor. A lot of people are using more modern external processing and really only need a solid basic deck (probably modded to get AC-3 and SPDIF). All the fancy stuff in a CLD-99 is inferior to stuff that came a decade or more later. Soon we'll all be modding our players for raw FM and feeding the signal to an on-board FPGA designed by Happycube and getting better than X-0 results. Then, about 5 years later, you'll have an iOS app that lets you play an LD by taking a picture of the surface.

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Author:	gumbyandpals [ 28 Jun 2017, 18:54 ]
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I'm essentially downgrading and keeping just my CLD-3080 around. It's a pretty decent player, I learned all the alignment procedures, and if it breaks down I won't break the bank finding a replacement. I've come to terms with the limitations of LD, so having the best of the best is no longer as important to me. I'm settling in for the long haul.

Author:	happycube [ 28 Jun 2017, 20:00 ]
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Did they say if it was the pickup or...? mimylovesjapan wrote: My HLD-X0 died yesterday. Not special sound or anything strange. Just the disc stopped to load. I tried to let it repair by pioneer. They took 6000 yens for the check. But they said they can do nothing. Then I will certainly sell it for parts. The tray opens/close perfectly, and the aspect of the player is so good state.... too bad.

Author:	rein-o [ 28 Jun 2017, 21:01 ]
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And if you really think hard about it, players like a 3080 are older and would have been used harder than a player like an X0. How many people could or would spend around 800 on a player to use for music and movies compared to a super high end X0 which would be for the die hard LD person only. Not as many sales = not as many parts. Growing up with a 3070, my family played the crap out of it. CDs LDs and all day long sometimes. Never burned out a laser and only issue was sticky grease on the rails. Newer players I have burned out lasers. That X0 sounds like its either the laser, spindle, combo or another part if its not reading when the disc is in. But I'm not an expert or tech.

Author:	mimylovesjapan [ 28 Jun 2017, 23:58 ]
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yes, they confirm that it is the spindle which is part of the pickup.

Author:	laserdisc_fan [ 29 Jun 2017, 00:16 ]
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rein-o wrote: Less techs and no parts equals non working players. Sad news indeed but very true. The last players that will be working will be the common ones that sold in bulk and share the same parts. Those might not be the best players but they will outlast any of the high end ones when it comes to getting them repaired. That's why my HLD-X9 is reserved exclusively for digitization work only. I never use it for everyday usage because I want it to last as long as possible since there is no chance of getting it repaired where I live.