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laserlord
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Post subject: Is there ANY chance for a new player in the future ? Posted: 05 Oct 2011, 14:01 |
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I'm sure lot's of you fellow LD fans have tought about it... But do you think it would be possible that perhaps a high-end brand will release a laserdisc player (new model or based on an existing pioneer) on to the market in the future ? I think releasing a new player will re-introduce the collecting crazyness of laserdiscs and there are billions of discs around right now. These should still be viewable in my opinion, also in 30 years when the players will perhaps get extinct... Perhaps a good question towards pioneer ? Wouldn't it be great to have a PIONEER LD-X9999 with HDMI 1080p out ?
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Post subject: Re: Is there ANY chance for a new player in the future ? Posted: 05 Oct 2011, 16:43 |
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icecapuk10@aol.c wrote: Imagine if pioneer would and only created a limited amount as an exclusive for Laserdisc movie collectors. As long as Pioneer kept manufacturing the LD Karaoke machines, there was a slight chance. But they discontinued production of the last models back in January 2009. http://www.hometheater.com/news/011509pioneer/DVD/BluRay/etc. are very digital in essence and the servomotor used to track the laser head as well as the mechanics to make a disc spin are pretty simple and commoditized. Now talk about a LD clap able to spin these heavy babies correctly and follow/sync analog signals based on a technology from the 70's is a dark art that is being slowly forgotten... But I would have loved one last "pre-order only" batch of HLD-X9 manufactured as a collectors' final thank you note with something a little special on it. Julien
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Post subject: Re: Is there ANY chance for a new player in the future ? Posted: 06 Oct 2011, 06:00 |
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Any new player would have to be high-end. It would be expensive even if it were mediocre, because the global market is perhaps 1000 pieces. There's simply not enough interest. Sure, there are people buying cheap LDs & second-hand players, but not nearly as many as there were five or ten years ago, & a lot of the people with high-end players & big collections rarely ever spin a disc. And honestly, to be worthwhile, it would have to have all possible features, in order to serve all the potential users. Tri-system playback, NTSC/PAL/MUSE ; LD+G decoding ; probably an internal AC-3 RF demodulator — the whole nine yards.
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chileboy
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Post subject: Re: Is there ANY chance for a new player in the future ? Posted: 06 Oct 2011, 18:54 |
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admin wrote: But I would have loved one last "pre-order only" batch of HLD-X9 manufactured as a collectors' final thank you note with something a little special on it.
Julien That is a great idea! And it raises an interesting point - I would think the easiest & cheapest route to produce a player today - and, it would not be "easy & cheap" at all - would be to simply buy up (and probably license) the production equipment from Pioneer, if it still exists. Again, not easy or inexpensive, but undoubtedly more so than starting from scratch. Of course, if everyone really wanted 1080p HDMI, that's another matter. - Mark
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Post subject: Re: Is there ANY chance for a new player in the future ? Posted: 06 Oct 2011, 19:14 |
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chileboy wrote: I would think the easiest & cheapest route to produce a player today would be to simply buy up (and probably license) the production equipment from Pioneer, if it still exists. Dismantled in 2009, game over.Although I still like LDs very much, I seriously doubt there would ever be a market deep enough to caution a new production batch. The tools, know-how, and technology are too disconnected from today's world. Most parts would have to be custom re-made. It seems to me it's just easier to stock backup players. HLD-X9 are going for $1,000+ these days. Julien
_________________ HARDWARE DATABASE HLD-X0/9 LD-S9 OPPO 105/205 SL-1200G LDD-1 MSC-4000 R2144 PONTUS II C45 MC257
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Post subject: Re: Is there ANY chance for a new player in the future ? Posted: 06 Oct 2011, 19:38 |
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admin wrote: Dismantled in 2009, game over.Although I still like LDs very much, I seriously doubt there would ever be a market deep enough to caution a new production batch. The tools, know-how, and technology are too disconnected from today's world. Most parts would have to be custom re-made. It seems to me it's just easier to stock backup players. HLD-X9 are going for $1,000+ these days. Julien OK, but that doesn't say the manufacturing equipment was destroyed - it could be sitting idle, or dismantled and stacked in a warehouse somewhere (along with the Ark of the Covenant). Anyway, just thinking out loud - and I agree with your basic point, it just "ain't happenin'". - Mark
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xtempo
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Post subject: Re: Is there ANY chance for a new player in the future ? Posted: 06 Oct 2011, 20:16 |
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mikeystoyz wrote: You can still buy laserdiscs from the pioneer website. They will only set you back a grand. I checked about 6 months ago and they were still there. which site? the Japanese one? I haven't found anything. I'm curious to what the offerings were or are if its still around.
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laserlord
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Post subject: Re: Is there ANY chance for a new player in the future ? Posted: 06 Oct 2011, 21:23 |
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publius wrote: And honestly, to be worthwhile, it would have to have all possible features, in order to serve all the potential users. Tri-system playback, NTSC/PAL/MUSE ; LD+G decoding ; probably an internal AC-3 RF demodulator — the whole nine yards. i agree, and don't forget, just to be more future proof, a hdmi output, and a separate digital out that gives out a demodulated ac3 signal or dts (whatevers on the disc) and a network functionality that connects to lddb.com. it will give more laserdisc info and will update your collection database automatically as soon as you pop in a disc
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Post subject: Re: Is there ANY chance for a new player in the future ? Posted: 07 Oct 2011, 06:02 |
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admin wrote: It seems to me it's just easier to stock backup players. HLD-X9 are going for $1,000+ these days. Where, pray tell? I haven't seen so much as a Sony HIL-C2EX on eBay in almost a year. Two of them went for $300 each within about a month (one even had a decoder with it), but nothing since then. I'm sure I'm just not looking in the right places.
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Post subject: Re: Is there ANY chance for a new player in the future ? Posted: 14 Oct 2011, 00:50 |
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Similar question, how feasible would it be to have another new Laserdisc movie release? Like if a filmmaker with some influence and an appreciation for Laserdiscs wanted to put out a limited run of one of their movies on LD.
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Post subject: Re: Is there ANY chance for a new player in the future ? Posted: 14 Oct 2011, 04:10 |
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ucfmatt wrote: Similar question, how feasible would it be to have another new Laserdisc movie release? Like if a filmmaker with some influence and an appreciation for Laserdiscs wanted to put out a limited run of one of their movies on LD. It's a very interesting question, which so far I have not been able to find an answer for. Basically it depends on the availability of the equipment. If the mastering lathes & pressing machinery has been scrapped, or modified for other uses, that is a very serious obstacle. On the other hand, it appears that at least 20 cm music promo discs were being made into the middle of the past decade, so something might be possible, at least in the smaller size. A CDV or VSD could be made using ordinary CD pressing machinery, if the mastering could be solved, or possibly even recorded onto CD-R.
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