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helladamnleet
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Post subject: Re: What brand is your main LD Player? Posted: 27 Aug 2016, 21:08 |
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I have a Pioneer LD-V6080 that I got at a garage sale. If I remember correctly it used to have a 'Property of Frontenac Middle School' sticker on it, but I got it over 10 years ago, so I'm not 100% sure on that. I remember it DID come from a middle school.
Anyway, it sat unused until the other day when I got, like, 16 Laserdiscs for free. It didn't work at first, that Duncan guy said it was probably F'd and I got kinda bummed, I decided screw it, played with some pots, and was watching movies the next night. Love the format, hope to get more. Currently talking about getting another one from that Duncan guy.
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forper
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Post subject: Re: What brand is your main LD Player? Posted: 03 Sep 2016, 05:59 |
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Well I was hoping to change my vote to Sony this week. However my "mint" and "fully working" MDP-600 just arrived and has had a chunk knocked out of it in transport. Powers up but that's about all...even tried manually loading a disc and nuthin... Got another Sony arriving next week that was supposed to be my backup (MDP-650)...one down, one to go, fingers crossed...
_________________ SONY MDP-355GX, DVDO iscan VP50, SONY KVHR-M36
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Post subject: Re: What brand is your main LD Player? Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 04:29 |
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Number two showed up, good stuff, much better packed (Just rolls and rolls of bubble wrap always works the best). Fully tested and full functional! No helicoptering of audio. Yumi Tanimura at Budokan in '93 is glorious from beginning to end. I'm so glad to be back with Sony the one and only. I never should have listened to internet hype and strayed with POSineer. Even when my LoaD-ofShit9 worked the audio was mediocre. Sony understands audio. Now to work on procuring backups and parts to keep me in LD heaven and saving for the holy grail SONY HIL-C1 when one comes up, the heaven of heaven.. Behold:
_________________ SONY MDP-355GX, DVDO iscan VP50, SONY KVHR-M36
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Post subject: Re: What brand is your main LD Player? Posted: 15 Sep 2016, 07:39 |
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elahrairrah wrote: Have to disagree with you on Sony audio from LD players.
My MDP-A3 had issues playing the non AC-3 analog track of most Dolby Digital LDs without horrible static. Never had that issue with Panasonic or Pioneer.
My friend's MDP-333 had the same issue.
And of course, the dark, murky image that seems endemic of Sony LD players.
But hey, if you're not having these issues, more power to you. Well I don't mess with DD or AC-3, strictly the best digital stereo sound I can get. Wonderful full sound compared to Pioneers that almost sound clipped or compressed to me. Standing by for the inevitable "oh but you're running optical, it's just zeros and ones". There's a lot more to it than that. That's why different CD players can sound vastly different even using optical out..
_________________ SONY MDP-355GX, DVDO iscan VP50, SONY KVHR-M36
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Post subject: Re: What brand is your main LD Player? Posted: 16 Sep 2016, 09:15 |
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elahrairrah wrote: That's why most audiophiles prefer coaxial to optical. Less "jitter" Well as with everything audio, it's controversial..
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elahrairrah
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Post subject: Re: What brand is your main LD Player? Posted: 16 Sep 2016, 15:51 |
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substance wrote: On the opt vs coax...I prefer a cd player with good dacs built in. I don't like the transport + outboard dac setups unless they have proprietary connections that carry the clock signal. Even then it's still more ideal to have everything in one box with shorter leads, less prone to dropped digits. I hear that. The Pioneer Elite SACD/DVD-Audio player I have kicks major audio a** with just regular ol' CDs with the analog outs.
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Post subject: Re: What brand is your main LD Player? Posted: 16 Sep 2016, 17:59 |
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one of the finest non-ELITE 1980's PIONEER models, 1988 CLD-3030. the first LD player i ever saw that was love at first sight, on the BAY back around 2001. still have the photo from the old listing; some years later, around 2007 or so, i finally got my opportunity to obtain a copy, got the original photo for that listing as well; my personal 3030, rebuilt and lightly modded; a couple of nice gifts DUNCAN HUNTER/ LDSERVICE generously sent me, not long before he dropped off the radar;
_________________ * PIONEER CLD-3030 Compatible LDP (1988) (( http://forum.lddb.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3094 ))
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Post subject: Re: What brand is your main LD Player? Posted: 16 Sep 2016, 19:10 |
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elahrairrah wrote: substance wrote: On the opt vs coax...I prefer a cd player with good dacs built in. I don't like the transport + outboard dac setups unless they have proprietary connections that carry the clock signal. Even then it's still more ideal to have everything in one box with shorter leads, less prone to dropped digits. I hear that. The Pioneer Elite SACD/DVD-Audio player I have kicks major audio a** with just regular ol' CDs with the analog outs. there is a good explanation for it. The digital signal is really 3 signals and a ground. So 4 lines of wires needed. You got the clock signal, left/right trigger and the data stream (and a common ground). both coax and opt are data stream only and ground. Clock and l/r are formatted into the datastream. if there were no losses and errors(due to losses) during the transfer of this signal, you could potentially reconstruct the clock and l/r on the spdif recievers but there is always losses. In one box solutions, there is no conversion to spdif. all 4 leads connect directly into the dac chip as Is2. They typically share the same clock and because they are only inches away from each other, the losses are much lower. I honestly like the older burr browns. PCM1704 to be specific. Denon DVD-5000 has a pair of these dac chips. it's DVD playback ability is a joke for today's standards but as a CD player its one of the best for the money. It is one of the rare players that has digital inputs. You can actually feed your LD player into it and have the PCM1704s decode your PCM sound. These are true 24 bit r2r ladder type chips. Burr Brown (and all others) discontinued multibit dacs after this chip. All new chips use over and up sampling to mimic multibit chips but they are actually single bit dacs.
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Post subject: Re: What brand is your main LD Player? Posted: 16 Sep 2016, 19:12 |
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tasuke wrote: one of the finest non-ELITE 1980's PIONEER models, 1988 CLD-3030. the first LD player i ever saw that was love at first sight, on the BAY back around 2001. still have the photo from the old listing; some years later, around 2007 or so, i finally got my opportunity to obtain a copy, got the original photo for that listing as well; my personal 3030, rebuilt and lightly modded; a couple of nice gifts DUNCAN HUNTER/ LDSERVICE generously sent me, not long before he dropped off the radar; Duncan was a good guy before, he must have been possessed for all I know
_________________ Coming Soon Derman Labs Anything Of Substance
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Post subject: Re: What brand is your main LD Player? Posted: 17 Sep 2016, 02:19 |
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elahrairrah wrote: substance wrote: On the opt vs coax...I prefer a cd player with good dacs built in. I don't like the transport + outboard dac setups unless they have proprietary connections that carry the clock signal. Even then it's still more ideal to have everything in one box with shorter leads, less prone to dropped digits. I hear that. The Pioneer Elite SACD/DVD-Audio player I have kicks major audio a** with just regular ol' CDs with the analog outs. I always assumed it's pretty simple, you should use the best DAC you have in your rack. So, if your CDP has the superior DAC, analog outs to amp, if not then digital to your best DAC. I have a Sony CDP-991 but imo the DAC is inferior to the one in my Sony JB-980 QS Minidisc deck, therefore I go digital to that. Same with LD, I let the JB980 clean up the sound before it goes to my amp. There are obviously knowledgeable people here. Perhaps Substance or somebody could comment on the DACs in my units?
_________________ SONY MDP-355GX, DVDO iscan VP50, SONY KVHR-M36
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Post subject: Re: What brand is your main LD Player? Posted: 18 Sep 2016, 06:16 |
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substance wrote: elahrairrah wrote: substance wrote: On the opt vs coax...I prefer a cd player with good dacs built in. I don't like the transport + outboard dac setups unless they have proprietary connections that carry the clock signal. Even then it's still more ideal to have everything in one box with shorter leads, less prone to dropped digits. I hear that. The Pioneer Elite SACD/DVD-Audio player I have kicks major audio a** with just regular ol' CDs with the analog outs. there is a good explanation for it. The digital signal is really 3 signals and a ground. So 4 lines of wires needed. You got the clock signal, left/right trigger and the data stream (and a common ground). both coax and opt are data stream only and ground. Clock and l/r are formatted into the datastream. if there were no losses and errors(due to losses) during the transfer of this signal, you could potentially reconstruct the clock and l/r on the spdif recievers but there is always losses. In one box solutions, there is no conversion to spdif. all 4 leads connect directly into the dac chip as Is2. They typically share the same clock and because they are only inches away from each other, the losses are much lower. I honestly like the older burr browns. PCM1704 to be specific. Denon DVD-5000 has a pair of these dac chips. it's DVD playback ability is a joke for today's standards but as a CD player its one of the best for the money. It is one of the rare players that has digital inputs. You can actually feed your LD player into it and have the PCM1704s decode your PCM sound. These are true 24 bit r2r ladder type chips. Burr Brown (and all others) discontinued multibit dacs after this chip. All new chips use over and up sampling to mimic multibit chips but they are actually single bit dacs. CD playing is a major role of my CLD-95 for this very reason, multibit Burr Brown DACs. It sounds wonderful.
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elahrairrah
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Post subject: Re: What brand is your main LD Player? Posted: 21 Sep 2016, 16:38 |
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forper wrote: I always assumed it's pretty simple, you should use the best DAC you have in your rack. So, if your CDP has the superior DAC, analog outs to amp, if not then digital to your best DAC.
I have a Sony CDP-991 but imo the DAC is inferior to the one in my Sony JB-980 QS Minidisc deck, therefore I go digital to that. Same with LD, I let the JB980 clean up the sound before it goes to my amp.
There are obviously knowledgeable people here. Perhaps Substance or somebody could comment on the DACs in my units? I do the same thing for my LD captures. I use a CLD-97 to capture music videos off of LD, but the CLD-97 has only a 1-bit DAC. So I feed the digital out to my Yamaha Minidisc deck which has a 20-bit DAC. Much better results for video/audio capture.
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Post subject: Re: What brand is your main LD Player? Posted: 22 Sep 2016, 02:01 |
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I wish I had that many backups! Right now my backup is a poorly functioning LD-S9 and that's it! elahrairrah wrote: forper wrote: I always assumed it's pretty simple, you should use the best DAC you have in your rack. So, if your CDP has the superior DAC, analog outs to amp, if not then digital to your best DAC.
I have a Sony CDP-991 but imo the DAC is inferior to the one in my Sony JB-980 QS Minidisc deck, therefore I go digital to that. Same with LD, I let the JB980 clean up the sound before it goes to my amp.
There are obviously knowledgeable people here. Perhaps Substance or somebody could comment on the DACs in my units? I do the same thing for my LD captures. I use a CLD-97 to capture music videos off of LD, but the CLD-97 has only a 1-bit DAC. So I feed the digital out to my Yamaha Minidisc deck which has a 20-bit DAC. Much better results for video/audio capture. I didn't even think of bit depth. I'm just a dumb guy, go by feeling rather than specs but looking up my JB980 on MD Community page it looks like the specs are as follows: Quote: Specs: 1-Bit current pulse S-TACT DAC, 1-Bit Sigma-Delta ADC (24 bit sampling), Frequency Response: 5-20kHz +/-0.3dB, SNR >100dB http://www.minidisc.org/part_Sony_MDS-JB980.htmlI don't know what half that junk means but I doubt any LD player (maybe higher end Sony's) comes close. And in reality I know it already, from my experience. All I know is anyway "This DAC sound good, that DAC sound bad" and the best sounding DAC I have is the 980.
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Post subject: Re: What brand is your main LD Player? Posted: 13 Oct 2016, 06:00 |
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Hello! For everyone owning a Pioneer device here (LD, DVD/LD, etc.), I updated the Mint-o-Matic page to provide a direct conversion of Pioneer Serial numbers from 1975 to 2000. If you have a LD player manufactured after 2000 (CLD-R5, HLD-X9, Combi LD/DVD player), could you send me your serial number for test? Thanks! As a quick check, some devices I own: - LD-S9 QI1004529P = September 1996
- LG-1 QE1008852T = May 1996
- LG-1 ML1004195YD = December 1992
Enjoy! Julien
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