|
It is currently 27 Apr 2024, 01:49
|
View unsolved topics | View unanswered posts
|
|
|
|
Author |
Message |
tasuke
|
Post subject: Re: WTB: Pioneer LD-S2 Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 18:26 |
Absolute fan |
|
|
Joined: 03 Aug 2013, 17:32 Posts: 1573 Location: OREGON, U.S. Has thanked: 3 times Been thanked: 136 times
|
God, there was a time when i REALLY wanted an LD-S1. needless to say, i ended up settling on a CLD-3030, and i'm ever glad i did.
i mean, with the prices these ELITE/Reference super players now demand, if and when the hypothetical S1 i would have had had decided to crap out on me, i'd be SOL.
i'm far more confident in my situation with the 3030; since the model has been traditionally overlooked, i was able to build up a nest egg of spare parts for my prime chassis, and, since it has a highly modular internal design, it is relatively easy to get in there and swap out entire sub-assemblies with a minimum of fuss.
don't get me wrong, the S1 also looks fairly easy to work with, -from what i've seen of it's internal layout- but, being the premium model it is, parts are rather hard to come by, and, it seems largely only available from donor S1s, whereas with the 3030, most sub-assemblies, -especially the critical ones, such as the spindle motor/laser traverse assy.- are also available from multiple sources, such the immediate step down model, CLD-1030, as well as from the Karaoke variant CLD-V190, and probably from at least one of the industrial models that appear to be based on the 3030 chassis.
hell, if push comes to shove, there is even the Japanese market CLD-99S and whatever japan market variants it has, to fall back upon...
_________________ * PIONEER CLD-3030 Compatible LDP (1988) (( http://forum.lddb.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3094 ))
|
|
|
|
|
cplusplus
|
Post subject: Re: WTB: Pioneer LD-S2 Posted: 09 Dec 2018, 16:56 |
Hardcore fan |
|
|
Joined: 13 Aug 2018, 03:18 Posts: 1520 Has thanked: 449 times Been thanked: 588 times
|
invictus005 wrote: In average condition, these things sell for $300-$600 regularly, especially in Japanese auctions under the X1 model number. In regards to this, I'm personally much more interested in acquiring an LD-S2 over an X1. I'm also curious as to how much rarer the S2 might (if at all). It seems like it would have been harder to sell in the North American market. If there was one within driving distance, I'd probably commit to one. Other than that, I might as well save the cash and spring for the X0 and its red laser glory.
|
|
|
|
|
pbiancardi
|
Post subject: Re: WTB: Pioneer LD-S2 Posted: 09 Dec 2018, 20:57 |
Advanced fan |
|
|
Joined: 11 Oct 2015, 16:35 Posts: 555 Location: United States Has thanked: 2 times Been thanked: 76 times
|
cplusplus wrote: invictus005 wrote: In average condition, these things sell for $300-$600 regularly, especially in Japanese auctions under the X1 model number. In regards to this, I'm personally much more interested in acquiring an LD-S2 over an X1. I'm also curious as to how much rarer the S2 might (if at all). It seems like it would have been harder to sell in the North American market. If there was one within driving distance, I'd probably commit to one. Other than that, I might as well save the cash and spring for the X0 and its red laser glory. Unless you want muse playback an AC3 modded S2 is more or less the same as an X0.
_________________ Sony HIL-C2EX w/ AC3 Sony HIL-C1 w/ AC3 Sony MDP-999
|
|
|
|
|
harlock
|
Post subject: Re: WTB: Pioneer LD-S2 Posted: 09 Dec 2018, 21:27 |
Serious fan |
|
|
Joined: 20 Oct 2011, 21:57 Posts: 188 Location: United States Has thanked: 2 times Been thanked: 54 times
|
There's more to the X0 than just the S2 chassis it's built on. The red laser, obviously, for one but the X0 NTSC processing was also updated. A description of this from substance I found: Quote: I have seen LD-S2(LD-X1) and I now own HLD-X0. If the cost is no issue, HLD-X0 is a better player. Some claim(including Kurtis) LD-S2 and HLD-X0(noise reduction off) has same picture quality on NTSC laserdiscs. I do not agree. Although they are close on noise levels(if not same), HLD-X0 has better colors which LD needs, no smearing and better tracking due to red laser. With noise reduction turned on, there is no competition. HLD-X0 can clean any laserdisc from noise without losing detail or bad artifacts. Quote: On good mastered late era discs(super ntsc) i.e. lost in space, titanic, starship troopers, LD-S2 is identical in noise levels and sharpness(all processing OFF) HLD-X0 has better colors. For example on LD-S2 or similar CLD-97 you can count the shade of skin tones in say 10s or 100s(depends on mastering), on HLD-X0 its at least 100s of shades to 1000s. I would say overall HLD-X0 renders colors somewhere between %20-30 better than any other LD player. I don't know what kind of video processing you have in mind but I doubt that you can find one better than one in HLD-X0. Hands down it has the best video noise reduction. 3D comb filter is also among the best. You can find its equal but don't think you can find one better.
|
|
|
|
|
pbiancardi
|
Post subject: Re: WTB: Pioneer LD-S2 Posted: 10 Dec 2018, 12:40 |
Advanced fan |
|
|
Joined: 11 Oct 2015, 16:35 Posts: 555 Location: United States Has thanked: 2 times Been thanked: 76 times
|
harlock wrote: There's more to the X0 than just the S2 chassis it's built on. The red laser, obviously, for one but the X0 NTSC processing was also updated. A description of this from substance I found: Quote: I have seen LD-S2(LD-X1) and I now own HLD-X0. If the cost is no issue, HLD-X0 is a better player. Some claim(including Kurtis) LD-S2 and HLD-X0(noise reduction off) has same picture quality on NTSC laserdiscs. I do not agree. Although they are close on noise levels(if not same), HLD-X0 has better colors which LD needs, no smearing and better tracking due to red laser. With noise reduction turned on, there is no competition. HLD-X0 can clean any laserdisc from noise without losing detail or bad artifacts. Quote: On good mastered late era discs(super ntsc) i.e. lost in space, titanic, starship troopers, LD-S2 is identical in noise levels and sharpness(all processing OFF) HLD-X0 has better colors. For example on LD-S2 or similar CLD-97 you can count the shade of skin tones in say 10s or 100s(depends on mastering), on HLD-X0 its at least 100s of shades to 1000s. I would say overall HLD-X0 renders colors somewhere between %20-30 better than any other LD player. I don't know what kind of video processing you have in mind but I doubt that you can find one better than one in HLD-X0. Hands down it has the best video noise reduction. 3D comb filter is also among the best. You can find its equal but don't think you can find one better. With all due respect have you seen both in action? I have and my "more or less" comment is accurate.
_________________ Sony HIL-C2EX w/ AC3 Sony HIL-C1 w/ AC3 Sony MDP-999
|
|
|
|
|
pbiancardi
|
Post subject: Re: WTB: Pioneer LD-S2 Posted: 11 Dec 2018, 01:31 |
Advanced fan |
|
|
Joined: 11 Oct 2015, 16:35 Posts: 555 Location: United States Has thanked: 2 times Been thanked: 76 times
|
signofzeta wrote: I believe Substance has said the same thing and he’s one of few members to have some hands on time with the higher end machines and also the context necessary to pass onto us his findings. The returns diminish extremely efter CLD-97 in the opinion of most.
I’ve never seen either of the big suckers in action but with the amount of post processing people are using now I don’t know why much of this matters so much. If you have better processing than any of these players had (which is totally possible nowadays) then all you’re really interested in is the most noiseless chassis you can afford to plug into your $4000 magic box or even Kuro for that matter. There really is something to buying older more analog decks and just using the straight composite into modern stuff as opposed to clinging to what was state of the art 20-25 years ago.
The players that fully digitize the image looked amazing at the time on contemporary sets but after my two better decks died and I had to fall back on a lowly 503 I then made new settings on my set (XBR960) after that and to be honest it looks better with subtle sources now than it used to running a 99. Super vivid stuff, digitally remastered in the 90s, not so much, but those LDs that show older analog sources the best like Tokyo Olympiad or 2001...I’m enjoying these more now with the rattly old deck with no digital outs than I was with the self-cooking CLD-99. I think you nailed it, 97 and above you really have to nitpick the differences, I love Substance and I think even he would agree that the things he sees and details in his posts sometimes are not going to be things that are noticeable and / or matter to most, he has a very keen eye for things that most won't ever pickup on so just grab a nice player and enjoy it. The X9 does stick out as noisy but personally I prefer that to any of the visible smearing Pioneers.
_________________ Sony HIL-C2EX w/ AC3 Sony HIL-C1 w/ AC3 Sony MDP-999
|
|
|
|
|
pbiancardi
|
Post subject: Re: WTB: Pioneer LD-S2 Posted: 11 Dec 2018, 12:44 |
Advanced fan |
|
|
Joined: 11 Oct 2015, 16:35 Posts: 555 Location: United States Has thanked: 2 times Been thanked: 76 times
|
invictus005 wrote: Can NR be turned off on CLD-959? Is it identical internally and in performance to CLD-97? I know if you put a 97 front face on it you can turn the NR off so the functionality is there, not sure if you can do something internally to completely disable it or not.
_________________ Sony HIL-C2EX w/ AC3 Sony HIL-C1 w/ AC3 Sony MDP-999
|
|
|
|
|
cplusplus
|
Post subject: Re: WTB: Pioneer LD-S2 Posted: 12 Dec 2018, 05:45 |
Hardcore fan |
|
|
Joined: 13 Aug 2018, 03:18 Posts: 1520 Has thanked: 449 times Been thanked: 588 times
|
signofzeta wrote: I’m enjoying these more now with the rattly old deck with no digital outs than I was with the self-cooking CLD-99. I can relate to this. I do, however, wish I had purchased the CLD-97 instead of the 99 from Bayview. At the time (mid 2000s), the 3D comb filter was much more important to me. Now, I just run composite out.
|
|
|
|
|
lizardkingjr
|
Post subject: Re: WTB: Pioneer LD-S2 Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 20:27 |
True fan |
|
|
Joined: 02 Jan 2010, 02:04 Posts: 300 Location: United States Has thanked: 0 time Been thanked: 1 time
|
cplusplus wrote: signofzeta wrote: I’m enjoying these more now with the rattly old deck with no digital outs than I was with the self-cooking CLD-99. I can relate to this. I do, however, wish I had purchased the CLD-97 instead of the 99 from Bayview. At the time (mid 2000s), the 3D comb filter was much more important to me. Now, I just run composite out. Running composite into a modern 1080P/4K TV looks great with my players (S2/3070/1010), as the comb filter on a modern set makes LDs look great. The Snell & Wilcox test pattern from the Video Essentials LD shows no rainbows on the floating orb using a modern TV.
_________________ Samsung UN43MU6300 43" 2160p LED HDTV; Pioneer Elite LD-S2; Pioneer RFD-1; Onkyo TX-NR818
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum
|
|