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 Post subject: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 11 Oct 2017, 14:16 
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My question is the title of this post. I have 4 CED players about 30 feet from my AVR. I am interested in whether or not a 30 foot HDMI cable could pass signals that far. I will be converting composite to HDMI at the CED players.
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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
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I didn't think there was any distance that was unacceptable for HDMI, or was it quality of cable??
Can't remember.

But I do have a 50 foot from my DVD to Projector and its fine with no issues.
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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 11 Oct 2017, 16:39 
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I didn't think there was any distance that was unacceptable for HDMI, or was it quality of cable??
Can't remember.

But I do have a 50 foot from my DVD to Projector and its fine with no issues.


That is good to know. My CED players are about 40 feet from my AVR so a 50 foot cable should easily reach.

Maybe I could buy a 35 foot cable and use a cable stretcher (LOL) along with 30 feet of shoreline (ROFL).
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the longer the cable, it's important you have a true 75 ohm high quality hdmi.
I recently bought a Supra 10M hdmi cable, it's kinda thick in diameter.
My video cables are all top brands from Ixos - Supra and QED.

now I have to find a suitable multi region blu-ray player and projector.
what do you recommend?
I like Cambridge Audio Azur BD series, they handle all disc formats from HDCD - SACD to DVD Audio.
However I can't find a used player which is unlocked to play blu-ray discs from all regions A - B - C
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PostPosted: 11 Oct 2017, 18:11 
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joey-buttafuoco wrote:
the longer the cable, it's important you have a true 75 ohm high quality hdmi.
I recently bought a Supra 10M hdmi cable, it's kinda thick in diameter.

now I have to find a suitable multi region blu-ray player and projector.
what do you recommend?
I like Cambridge Audio Azur BD series, they handle all disc formats from HDCD - SACD to DVD Audio.
However I can't find a used player which is unlocked to play blu-ray discs from all regions A - B - C


I can't help you very much. All my players only play region A disks.

I did decide on this HDMI cable:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YBBUY6O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

which should work more than adequately.
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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 11 Oct 2017, 19:35 
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in europe all BD players comes region locked for Blu-ray however playing dvd's most of the BD players are unlocked covering all dvd regions 1-6.

there are shops specialized in modding BD players to play A/B/C discs at extra cost.
does anyone know a good reputable shop selling modified players in europe?
I don't want to buy from FleaBay, looks like many eBay shops have BD players that are old models.
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PostPosted: 11 Oct 2017, 21:37 
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dumbchemist wrote:

I can't help you very much. All my players only play region A disks.

I did decide on this HDMI cable:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YBBUY6O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

which should work more than adequately.

Looks fine, the one I bought was just a basic black looking one that cost around 18 or 20 bucks.
But you picked the fancy one :lol:
Mine is packed away and I can't even begin to tell you what brand it is.
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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
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I bought the cheapest 10 metre HDMI cable available for like
10 to 12 €. I have never had any issues with it.

Spending much more money on an HDMI cable is an utter waste of money.
Dont spend 40 € on a 1 m HDMI cable. Its basically fraud.
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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 12 Oct 2017, 09:20 
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I spent $27.99 on the cable (no shipping charge [Amazon prime] and no sales tax). The cable is rated at HDMI 2.0 which means that I can use it for
UHD. I prefer to buy cables that are overrated for my use. It is just a personal preference. Some day I may have to move the CED players and the 50 ft. cable will still be able to carry the signal. I have other HDMI cables in storage that are shorter; but I don't have any idea if there is an HDMI cable splicer.
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PostPosted: 12 Oct 2017, 12:14 
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confederate wrote:
I bought the cheapest 10 metre HDMI cable available for like
10 to 12 €. I have never had any issues with it.

Spending much more money on an HDMI cable is an utter waste of money.
Dont spend 40 € on a 1 m HDMI cable. Its basically fraud.


we are always getting ripped off at the shop paying top dollars for known brands.
you get what you pay for.
buy cheap you get crap, buy expensive you expect higher quality with better materials from the item you bought.
it's all about money VS price tag
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dumbchemist wrote:
I spent $27.99 on the cable (no shipping charge [Amazon prime] and no sales tax). The cable is rated at HDMI 2.0 which means that I can use it for
UHD. I prefer to buy cables that are overrated for my use. It is just a personal preference. Some day I may have to move the CED players and the 50 ft. cable will still be able to carry the signal. I have other HDMI cables in storage that are shorter; but I don't have any idea if there is an HDMI cable splicer.

Yeah you will be fine with it, and as you say if you do move the player one day you will have enough breathing room for it.

Only issue I have with the super cheap cables is that they are thinner but what you are getting looks fine.
Keep us posted when you get it, and if its not good you can always return with amazon.
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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 14 Oct 2017, 09:42 
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joey-buttafuoco wrote:
in europe all BD players comes region locked for Blu-ray however playing dvd's most of the BD players are unlocked covering all dvd regions 1-6.

there are shops specialized in modding BD players to play A/B/C discs at extra cost.
does anyone know a good reputable shop selling modified players in europe?
I don't want to buy from FleaBay, looks like many eBay shops have BD players that are old models.


Get yourself an OPPO player.
You can easily unlock them with a little extra kit.
Basically unplugging and exchanging a cable inside the player.
(Procedure might have changed with the newer models).
Have an OPPO since 2009, installed the unlock kit myself, works like a charm still.
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PostPosted: 14 Oct 2017, 10:40 
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lons_vex wrote:
joey-buttafuoco wrote:
in europe all BD players comes region locked for Blu-ray however playing dvd's most of the BD players are unlocked covering all dvd regions 1-6.

there are shops specialized in modding BD players to play A/B/C discs at extra cost.
does anyone know a good reputable shop selling modified players in europe?
I don't want to buy from FleaBay, looks like many eBay shops have BD players that are old models.


Get yourself an OPPO player.
You can easily unlock them with a little extra kit.
Basically unplugging and exchanging a cable inside the player.
(Procedure might have changed with the newer models).
Have an OPPO since 2009, installed the unlock kit myself, works like a charm still.


yeah, Oppo seem to be a great player.
are these reliable?
I've seen there are lots of them sold on eBay.
were all Oppo players good from the early 80 - 90 series or did they get much better from the newer 100 series?

I kinda like the old Cambridge Audio Azur 650BD player.
the 650BD plays all discs formats from SACD/DVD AUDIO to HDCD
this was Cambridge final player with the added Y/C (S-video) input, later versions from 651BD -------> had the S-video input discontinued.

All my gear use S-video input which I have connected to an S-video matrix for convenient switching between sources.
Cambridge 650BD player would have been great to have when I watch dvd's through S-video.

Looks like no Cambridge came unlocked for A - B - C blu-ray discs?
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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 14 Oct 2017, 22:55 
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I don't know exact details about the Cambridge 650BD, but I remember
that some Cambridge BD Players (if not all) were re-badged OPPOs for
double the price.

My OPPO is very reliable. It runs fine since 2009.
I once needed help from the service, when the tray refused to open,
and they sent me a free service kit with manual on how to fix the issue.
This was years after official warranty had expired.

My BDP-83 can play SACD/DVD Audio and HDCD.
You'll have to research if the 90 and 100 series do that as well or not.
Happy hunting!
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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 15 Oct 2017, 19:51 
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when I find a used in mint condition player I will look for an unlocked Pioneer or an Oppo player?

so Oppo and Cambridge are manufactured at the same factory?
Is Oppo the cheaper version of Cambridge?
Maybe Cambridge is the more high end player with better A/V components than Oppo?

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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 15 Oct 2017, 22:46 
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Unlocked Pioneers are rare, because from what I understand most
Pioneers need to be modified in irreversible hardware changes to
be unlocked. Some part needs to be SMD soldered to the mainboard.

Re the OPPO vs. Cambridge thing:
It is the exact same components and parts, the only thing that Cambridge
changed is the outer case. And possibly the design of the remote.
But you should investigate that yourself, as many things change over the
years and while I was interested in OPPOs products, I was never interested
in Cambridge.
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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 16 Oct 2017, 20:04 
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Pioneer BD players sold on eBay are modified with ICOS chip.
The ICOS tune should be a serious modification not an amateur hack and solder job?

Found some Oppo players one eBay.
I have no knowledge about Oppo, but they seem to be great.

Some players like the BDP93 - BDP103 ends with prefix EU.
Other players ends with the prefix D for Darbee?
What is Darbee model?
Is it an improved and better player than regular players of Oppo?

Should I only look for a player with prefix EU or D?
Maybe it doen't matter wheter it's a model EU or model D?

Are these still official sold EU players?
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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 16 Oct 2017, 23:07 
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Darbee is an added picture enhancer, some may even call it video processor.
If you need it - I don't know. I'd suggest you get a demo somewhere close,
if that is possible. From what I understand, the players are not improved or
advanced compared to the normal model, but only have the "added" Darbee
features. Picture enhancement like stuff.

If it is important to you that your player is an official EU
model you may want to make sure with the seller before purchase. Mine is a
US import, and I never had any problem with that.

There are huge threads about OPPO players on forums that specialize on
more recent hardware, I'm sure your questions will be answered there, if
you have the patience to read hundreds of pages :)
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This is pretty amazing how you two hijacked this topic.
Too bad you didn't start a new topic :|
Could Julien please move these last few posts to a new topic or ??
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I've got a Pioneer BDP-450K which is region free, but I'm not sure if I'd recommend it. Although it does boot and load discs rather fast, there's a major issue for those using an older display. If 24p output is disabled, 24p is converted to 50p (or 50i, depending on the resolution you've selected) instead for 60p/i. This makes the player more or less useless with CRTs and such if you're into that. With a newer display, I've never encountered any issues.

I personally recently bought a Panasonic DMP-UB700 which is a phenomenal improvement over the Xbox One S for UHD-BD. And I'd easily replace my Pioneer with it if I could get region free playback for standard Blu-Rays on it. Its HDR->SDR conversion is so good however that I considered it over the Oppo UDP-203.
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