or the highway with my £20.00 pounds.

Yes for past few months now not bothered with buying many bluray discs after watching a avs forums geeks video with guest Brain Vessa, who likes to grin while he thinks its cool to remix FAR FIELD THEATRICALS by watering down the dynamics as and when he feels like it along with many other re-recording mixes, who boast about how long they spend mixing a film, lol only to re-mix it for bluray and many who have spent hundreds to thousands on fair good matched LCR speakers be it new or second-hand no shame in that, but to have near-field mixes sounding the same as many other films. No I've had enough of throwing £20.00 away on crummy, bluray disc.

This is the most recent thread and maybe second time that Brian Vessa has been on avs geeks show.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/138-avs-f ... -home.html

Another topic that I don't care about as I'm only gonna get red faced and stressed if I read it.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/138-avs-f ... eyond.html

DVD and bluray is a CON! Not sure how many Lasersiscs are theatrical FAR FIELD? Maybe none at all? But I'm not gonna throw fresh £20.00 away on bluray and star wars 7 is already on the BOYCOTT list and its not opened yet, and since I BOYCOTTED cinema since 9th May 2013 almost going on 4 years. I've had enough of digital cinema and bluray.

I sure have no idea what you are talking about.

Well you need to read about, about this its an issue and its not necessary FAR FIELD is okay and play in all size cinemas so why tamper with it?

Have a read of this. I read it up and down enough to know the projectionists are right even thou I'm ex myself but have read. Gonna to bed now. Enjoy it.
http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/f16/t001428.html

Glad this has finally been defined somewhere. This is the no. 1 reason to hold onto your LDs. Ridiculous waste of time and energy.

Well I have to lift my fingers to type that I like to buy and the other part is waste of money, then I get the item and it just seems like all the rest of the bluray?

Yeah, I'll hold to the laserdisc all-right.

Could you possibly try to explain this in one or max two sentences, in simple layman terms?

Amen.

I'll give it a go!

He's complaining that they remix ('dumb down') the audio so soundbars and mediocre audio systems can cope.

I don't see a bloody soundbar in home cinema. I use PA. So why should I or anyone else tolerate hollywood scamming mixers with their watered down lemon remixes.

More hollywood sound studio crappy remix near field for the cat litter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVoJ-KLuaEg

I agree. The studios should spend all that money mixing for systems that only %0.00001 of their customers have.

Go and buy some small size 15" with horn cinema LCR matched PA speakers and enjoy the laserdiscs.

Batman vs Superman belongs in the cat litter no matter how it is mixed. No amount of mixing could save it.

I tried to throw 2001 into the cat litter once but I fell asleep in the middle of it.

Oh, I see. Can you really hear the difference (without trying really hard)?
I know audiophiles complain a lot about modern music mixing and how the studios make it louder than it should be, sometimes actually clipping the audio.

I found these definitions here: http://www.acoustic-glossary.co.uk/sound-fields.htm

Far Field : a region in free space, distant from a sound source, where the Sound Pressure Level obeys the Inverse Square Law (the sound pressure level decreases 6 dB with each doubling of distance from the source). Also, in this region the Sound Particle Velocity is in phase with the Sound Pressure.

Near Field : that part of a sound field, usually within about two wavelengths of a noise source, where there is no simple relationship between sound level and distance, where the sound pressure does not obey the Inverse Square Law and the Particle Velocity is not in phase with the Sound Pressure.

So clearly cinema = far field, home = near field (unless you're in some huge mega-mansion HT).

But so far as sound mixes and messing with the original theatrical version goes I guess I would take my cue from the near field definition "where there is no simple relationship......". If there is no simple relationship for those various parameters in this situation then why bother even creating a 'one size fits all' mix for it? Introduce the aspect of compensating for sub-par equipment of which near field mixes are accused of and it gets even worse.

Why not stick with the far-field mix and then allow the equipment (if desired) to compensate/adapt for near-field situations? I always understood this to be at least part of the intent of the original home THX program? Not that I'm any expert on this.

near field sounds like junk. Comparing Blade Runner CC Laserdisc to the HD-DVD. The HD-DVD just sounds toppy and bright and the dynamic range sounds crushed with compression?

When Roy Batty punches his first though the wall on Laserdisc it sounds like a wall. With HD-DVD it sounds like cardboard. All the dripping water running down the side of the wall sounds so loud on HD-DVD and unnatural and on Laserdisc it has about the right tone level.

Frankly, I think BDs should include both. Near-field by default and far-field (labeled as "Big Cinema Experience") as a selectable secondary stream.

Most people nowadays watch movies at a low volume on a 30-40" LCD panel with tin(n)y builtin speakers and everything still set to its factory configuration.

My aunt-in-law watches the following. I'm not making this up.

She watches a burned-in-like-crazy ~30" plasma TV with cluster of front row "stuck pixels"…
… displaying HDTV downconverted to letterboxed 4x3 SD and then stretched to 16x9 with overscan
… delivered as analog NTSC via 75-ohm F-type coaxial cable
… running over a distance long enough for the signal to weaken
… featuring an impossible-to-diagnose rolling ground loop(!!!)
… "enhanced" by:

1. maximum motion interpolation
2. maximum noise reduction
3. maximum edge enhancement
4. maximum contrast
5. strangely pumped brightness so that black is now rather bright gray

… with hue rotated toward red and saturation pumped to hell for that pleasant blistering sunburn look.

Agreed.

The unfortunate reality is that your aunt in law more represents the typical end user!

Had a thought for laserbite few days ago when I treated myself to the Criterion Blu-Ray of David Fincher's The Game. It's not a masterpiece but I really, really like this movie.

They describe the audio options as:



On the screen, it translates into "Theatrical" or "Near Field".

Julien

I wish boutique labels weren't the only publishers including the original audio mixes when available.

Even if it's only because I only have a stereo setup anyway so I like having a track optimized for such a setup.