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gypsy
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Post subject: Re: All CRT tv's and VCR's finally dying forever..read the f Posted: 29 May 2018, 13:35 |
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Not sure how you can possibly make those percentage claims, other than the ones based on eBay data. The 99% gaming at max brightness claim in particular, there is just no way this is fact. There is still on place near me that can repair CRTs. Unsurprisingly, the guy that does it is over 60. Nice fellow, but probably retiring before too long, then there will be no options for me. I have some old pro deck vcrs acquired very cheap, as well as some newer consumer level svideo decks. All still working fine, tbh. That said, I've been replacing more and more of my VHS tapes lately. Had thousands at one point, probably down under 200 now.
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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: All CRT tv's and VCR's finally dying forever..read the f Posted: 29 May 2018, 16:34 |
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1) they aren’t being made anymore 2) entropy
Kinda knew this...
And yeah, tape...tape sucks. Tape is why I got into LD in the first place.
EDIT: This sort of prognosis probably means more to the half of the forum (at most) who isn’t literally set for life sitting on a huge pile of gear. I don’t want to be morbid or anything but, like the machines, we only live so long. Most of the guys I knew who attempted to buy enough turntables in 1988 to last them the rest of their lives did in fact succeed at that.
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harlock
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Post subject: Re: All CRT tv's and VCR's finally dying forever..read the f Posted: 29 May 2018, 17:18 |
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The pricing on PVM type monitors has gone nuts thanks to game collectors. CRT production monitors used to go for peanuts, but now...the BVMs are particularly desirable and someone paid like $5k for the big 32 inch one like a year ago (they were a fraction of that before online communities hyped them all), and I feel lucky to have an Ikegami TM20 from eBay before all that. This is a good and bad thing - good in that CRTs are worthless junk to 99.9 percent of the population in the flat panel era, so high prices will save a number from being thrown out, and bad for those who still want one.
VCRs could go up as retro collectors of stuff like old horror movies on VHS look to play their collection, but they are still pretty cheap. I got a great condition 80s NEC HiFi deck, in the box with manuals and stuff stored away for years like a time capsule, for $20 a few months back. I appreciate the quality of made in Japan pieces like that from the 80s, before VHS decks became complete trash, even if I'm not the biggest fan of the format.
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gypsy
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Post subject: Re: All CRT tv's and VCR's finally dying forever..read the f Posted: 29 May 2018, 20:48 |
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signofzeta wrote: They made a LOT of VCRs. Yep. And the demand is microscopic. I paid $5 for an SVHS JVC deck with incredible auto-tracking, $5-10 for pro decks, just got a DVD recorder w/ a VCR built in as well for $10 etc... I used to have a lot of junkier VCRs, but donated all those off when I got better ones.
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ertoili
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Post subject: Re: All CRT tv's and VCR's finally dying forever..read the f Posted: 30 May 2018, 00:52 |
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Maybe it is not a fact fact but yes subconsciously you put brightness up when you are on alert while gaming....endless flashing lights are also displayed by some arcade games. There are really nice and lonely people still working on them but you know without original new parts. Still have over 100 tapes Tapes dont suck if you love to feel them on your hands specially Betacam ones. Im young and im afraid last decks will die before im old Bvm prices are just ridiculous....agree that 80s and mid 90s Decks build quality is great ,im putting to age test two Panasonic nv- VHS they work good but in some moments their rew engines are like...ok just give me a second im fine $5-10 for a pro deck ? when where how ? DVD dies too, best way to digitize are Cards and make copies of them to copy again to a newer cards imho.
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elahrairrah
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Post subject: Re: All CRT tv's and VCR's finally dying forever..read the f Posted: 31 May 2018, 05:06 |
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I was using a CRT up until December of last year (some of you may remember the thread I made in the for sale section trying to give it away.) I didn't really want to get rid of it but I had to for several reasons--one being my next apartment being on the 4th floor, and the prospect of having to heft that 250 lb+ KD-36XS955 WEGA up that many stairs wasn't leaving a good taste in my mouth. I never had any issues with that set. Had a great picture for both LD and HD sources and best of all, I got it for free! I think the difference between standard shadow mask CRTs and Sony's Trinitron "aperture grill" was that the latter was specifically made for a brighter picture. So the picture really doesn't die on those sets despite their brightness possibly being set too high for too long. Plus, you can still get WEGAs serviced as I found out (when my KV-40XBR800 got the dreaded blinking red light an authorized service center could still fix it and made house calls! I just decided against it when I found the XS955 for free.) So Trinitron tubes will have a longer life than other CRTs. Just that everything else around the tube on the set may not last (thankfully the most common problem mentioned before, the blinking red light, is just a chip that needs replacing, but I can't imagine they'll make that chip forever.) That being said, I am happy with the Panasonic Plasma I replaced the XS955 with. LD and other SD video sources look great on it and of course HD sources do too. Biggest downside so far is that SD video games don't look so hot on it. Hooked my Saturn up to it recently and ewwwww . . . so much blockiness! As far as VCRs go, well, just like the format itself, they weren't meant to last forever. Lots of moving parts means more potential for failure. Hell, I'm surprised as all get out that the 1987 SL-HF750 Betamax VCR I have--over 30 years old!!!--still works. I just had to make sure to try to get a little more life out of that thing by finding a new/old stock Betamax tape rewinder!
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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: All CRT tv's and VCR's finally dying forever..read the f Posted: 31 May 2018, 16:14 |
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ertoili wrote: Maybe it is not a fact fact but yes subconsciously you put brightness up when you are on alert while gaming....endless flashing lights are also displayed by some arcade games. There are really nice and lonely people still working on them but you know without original new parts. A lot of this is wrong, sorry. I used to fix arcade machines and monitors. They still sold and made brand new parts, flybacks, chassis etc. All I would do would be drop in a new chassis and it worked as long as the ohm reading was correct or something like that. You could fix 20+ year old monitors with just cap kits. I believe out of 20 I only had 1 that was too far gone, and the real reason was that it had been worked on prior with a botched job. Another issue is brightness, this is false. You would NEVER set brightness higher for a videogame, you are in a darker room and there is just no sense, making the game setting harder is another issue, you make more money Making a game brighter won't make you more money. CRTs are dirty creatures, inside they are filthy, all the static that holds onto dust etc. I'm glad for one that we don't have to deal, always hated the curve and weight. CRTs will outlast all other monitors as long as they don't get tossed, but who wants 150-250 pound pieces that are worth 5 bucks if you are lucky.
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