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 Post subject: Re: Elephant Condoms :(
PostPosted: 26 Jul 2013, 03:21 
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Not a big fan of the EC's. Does anyone know of a good paper/poly replacement ? Like someone mentioned earlier, I want to make sure they're not too big to fit inside the covers.


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 Post subject: Re: Elephant Condoms :(
PostPosted: 26 Jul 2013, 04:55 
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brettv99 wrote:
Not a big fan of the EC's. Does anyone know of a good paper/poly replacement ? Like someone mentioned earlier, I want to make sure they're not too big to fit inside the covers.


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It's not that the paper sleeves are too big as much as it is that a lot of Japanese covers are too short (just by the smallest amount). The paper sleeves are all pretty much the same size, it's just things like quality, material and thickness that change.
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 Post subject: Re: Elephant Condoms :(
PostPosted: 26 Jul 2013, 05:01 
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brettv99 wrote:
Not a big fan of the EC's. Does anyone know of a good paper/poly replacement ? Like someone mentioned earlier, I want to make sure they're not too big to fit inside the covers.


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http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-White-Paper-Poly-Lined-12-LP-Record-Sleeves-/321157588774?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ac67be726#ht_128wt_1271

these are fine for US laserdiscs, they are the antistatic like the ones on regular US discs.
but like naiaru says they will stick out a little on Japanese sleeves.





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 Post subject: Re: Elephant Condoms :(
PostPosted: 26 Jul 2013, 05:16 
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Thanks Guys ! I just wanted to make sure before I ordered any. I only have one disc from Hong Kong....the rest are US.


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 Post subject: Re: Elephant Condoms :(
PostPosted: 26 Jul 2013, 21:10 
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ECs are really the best thing for LD, and even better for LP.

It can be a pain with US LDs since they end up crumpled and creased, sometimes even by the factory. As long as the aren't pre-wrinkled and the jacket is the right size, they aren't a problem.

I replaced many of my sleeves with the paper/plastic hybrid ones years and years ago. I've since switched back to ECs since they don't split at the sides and they fit better. It seemed like a good idea at the time...but really the ECs are better.
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 Post subject: Re: Elephant Condoms :(
PostPosted: 26 Jul 2013, 21:38 
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I just don't like them. I am very interested in seeing a video on how to handle, but at the end of the day, I like the paper with platic on the inside. I never have a problem with them splitting or crinkling... and on my very few JAP LDs, I dont mind it sticking out the back a bit. Come to think of it, I only have a few JAP LDs and they are all framed... so it really doesnt matter.

Anyway, ECs could be awesome... if they were just a little thicker material or less flimsy.

I am glad that what began as a drunken rant has sparked such a great convo.

Is anyone willing to trade their paper w/ plastic liners for EC's?
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Elephant Condoms :(
PostPosted: 31 Jul 2013, 17:44 
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Elephant condoms are, in my opinion, the biggest pain in the a** to deal with. They never go into the sleeve correctly, crumpling and crinkling, leaving the disc partially unprotected even in my Japanese releases.

I replaced all of them with poly-lined paper from Bags Unlimited and couldn't be happier.
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 Post subject: Re: Elephant Condoms :(
PostPosted: 31 Jul 2013, 20:47 
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brettv99 wrote:
Not a big fan of the EC's. Does anyone know of a good paper/poly replacement ? Like someone mentioned earlier, I want to make sure they're not too big to fit inside the covers.


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I've gotten mine for years from Bags Unlimited. They also have outer poly sleeves, one variety that will fit over box sets.

They are acid-free, blah blah and intended to be archival-quality for collectors (i use them for my LPs also). I've never had any yellowing or deterioration.

I never noticed them not fitting properly with Japanese or HK releases, but now I'm curious and am going to check when I get home to see if they do protrude a bit.

Oh, and count me as a "thumbs-down" on the ECs. Figuratively speaking...

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 Post subject: Re: Elephant Condoms :(
PostPosted: 01 Aug 2013, 01:48 
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Thanks Mark. I will check out the link.


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 Post subject: Re: Elephant Condoms :(
PostPosted: 18 Jul 2018, 19:58 
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laserdisc_fan wrote:
There is a skill in how to handle them though. I can tell in about 2 seconds when I remove an EC from a used LD if the person
who previously owned the disc knew how to correctly handle the inner bag

Mind telling me what is the correct way to handle it?
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PostPosted: 19 Jul 2018, 17:54 
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laserdisc_fan wrote:
There is a skill in how to handle them though. I can tell in about 2 seconds when I remove an EC from a used LD if the person
who previously owned the disc knew how to correctly handle the inner bag

Mind telling me what is the correct way to handle it?


I'd ideally need to post a few pictures to really show the knack of handling ECs.
I need another person to take the pictures as both hands are needed to work with the sleeve and EC gracefully.

Essentially these are the key points:

If the EC is already crumpled don't try to use it. Bin it.
You need to start with a fresh undamaged one and keep it in good condition by careful handling at all times.

It gets damaged because it was inserted badly into the jacket.
This can happen during manufacturing or through poor handling.

Either way don't use a damaged EC - I believe that is why there is so much frustration with them.
They are impossible to fix if they have got crumpled up.

They can be easily obtained from most Japanese LP sellers on Ebay.
I tend to buy packs of about 200 or more so always have a good supply of them but you can ask sellers to sell smaller quantities if you wish.

I personally place the jacket on a table top or other firm surface with the open mouth facing up and use my right hand to press the mouth of the jacket slightly to open it without damaging the jacket. I then use my left hand to slide the EC containing the disc into the open jacket. I'm left handed so can only do it that way but it would work for someone else right handed if you use your left hand to hold the jacket and right hand to slide the disc in etc.

This allows it to easily glide into the jacket as ECs are almost frictionless.
The open mouth of the EC is facing the top of the jacket so the disc can't roll out and is also kept dust free.
Never drop the EC into the jacket as the weight of the disc may split the spine.
Slide it in gently - it wont require much pressure - perhaps a little wiggle if the sleeve is a very tight or contains an insert.

If you put the EC into the jacket in this way, it will come out in perfect condition everytime.

I personally use the real ECs - the one with a round bottom and square mouth since I find then a little easier to get into the jacket as you've 2 less square corners to guide in. I also prefer ECs that are a neater fit on the discs and not too loose or baggy as those ones tend to crumple up along the edges when you insert them into the sleeves.

I've done is so many times I don't even think about the steps but in comparisom I find paper sleeves a nuisance since there is so much friction the same method simply does not work.

The EC will eventually break down - all plastics do - I've a few really old LDs where the ECs had crumbled into dust but it will take many years before that happens and you can just replace it with another when it starts to become brittle.

I guess its a bit like a beginner trying to open a CD case for the first time.
I've seen people trying to pull the case open in utter frustration. Yet it only requires very gentle pressure on the sides to gently open it.
It's a similiar thing with ECs - once you've done it right once you'd never look back.
Gentle pressure with one hand to open the jacket then use the other hand to slide the EC in.

Getting the disc out is just as easy.
As before set the disc on a flat surface with mouth facing up.
Gently squeeze jacket with one hand to open it, then use the other hand to grab the disc from the centre of mouth - where you easily reach the disc and EC. Then pull it out. The disc will be perfectly protected from the elements if you handle ECs in this manner and the jacket will not get worn because there is virtually no friction with ECs unlike paper.

In terms of getting the disc out of the EC, I set the open end of the EC against the palm of my hand and then raise the EC gently.
As soon as the EC passes the label I reach up with my thumb to hold the disc by the centre hole so the disc is held securely by one hand as the EC is fully removed. It probably looks really slick to a novice who has never seen it done before yet it seems the most natural thing in the world to do it this way.
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 Post subject: Re: Elephant Condoms :(
PostPosted: 19 Jul 2018, 21:23 
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When I grab a Laserdisc, jacket and all, off the shelf, the disc is already sandwiched betwen my fingers and the jacket so it's not going to roll out, so I don't see a reason to put the EC in the jacket with the open end facing any way but out. Plus I use additional jacket covers with the open end on the top so they're easier to get in and out of the shelves, which also blocks the open end on the jacket preventing slipouts.

The way I put the EC in is I just slide the disc in it about halfway into the sleeve, let the rest slide in with a little help from gravity, and when it's mostly inside, I lower the rest in holding the EC by the corners so they don't wrinkle inside the jacket.
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