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PostPosted: 11 Feb 2019, 09:48 
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I decided to start a thread on this because I believe this is something I feel people like me have a lot to say about that's not enough for a single post somewhere

With films now like Ghost in the Shell (2017), Alita: Battle Angel (2019), Death Note (2017), and the upcoming Akira & Neon Genesis Evangelion in development: What's your take on US Hollywood studios now making live action anime adaptations?

My opinion is that this is not something we Western fans asked for, especially ones like me who grew up with it during the 90's. Films like 20th Century Boys (2008-2009), Bleach (2018), and Attack on Titan (2015) for ex. are much better adaptations that are best left in the care of the culture that it was made for. But they also had some terrible ones like Devilman (2004) and Gatchman (2013).

I'll admit that films like The Guyver (1991), Guyver 2: Dark Hero (1995), and Fist of the North Star (1995) were films that I liked when I was young but when I watch them now they're just "corny" to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Live Action Anime Adaptations
PostPosted: 11 Feb 2019, 09:52 
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when's Robotech live action coming out this time?
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PostPosted: 11 Feb 2019, 10:20 
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I almost feel its beneath even talking about. I have zero interest in any of this.

That Battle Angle movie...oh man, no way. That is so ratchet I almost puke looking at it. Who talked who into spending some insane pile of money on making a movie out of a manga almost nobody read? Or was it the OVA that ended at two episodes?

And Ghost in the Shell...what's even the point? Even the people who make the good stuff have a hard time making it consistently good and now you want to 20x the budget just to make it (mostly) live action? Who is this for? Hollywood can't even seem to get Superman right anymore and you want to try this? Is it to make it dumber? That would actually make sense...you could really broaden the market if you took out all the plot and just made a Running Man sort of music video version of Ghost in the Shell. Forget PKD, just make it all cyber dolls and exploding brains and make sure you can sell toys.
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PostPosted: 11 Feb 2019, 15:50 
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Let's all forget about the abomination that was Dragonball Evolution.

City Hunter had at least 2 live movies made:

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Mr. Mumble (1996) [CPLD701001] (Hong Kong)

Made for a passable action/comedy adaptation.

And just released this week in France:

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Nicky Larson et le parfum de Cupidon

Haven't seen this one yet but but it's not exactly a City Hunter live movie. City Hunter was heavily edited and adapted for the French kids' audience back in the 90's under the name Nicky Larson and this is a movie about the French adaptation, not fully respectful of the original material.

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 Post subject: Re: Live Action Anime Adaptations
PostPosted: 11 Feb 2019, 17:52 
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signofzeta wrote:
I almost feel its beneath even talking about. I have zero interest in any of this.

That Battle Angle movie...oh man, no way. That is so ratchet I almost puke looking at it. Who talked who into spending some insane pile of money on making a movie out of a manga almost nobody read? Or was it the OVA that ended at two episodes?

And Ghost in the Shell...what's even the point? Even the people who make the good stuff have a hard time making it consistently good and now you want to 20x the budget just to make it (mostly) live action? Who is this for? Hollywood can't even seem to get Superman right anymore and you want to try this? Is it to make it dumber? That would actually make sense...you could really broaden the market if you took out all the plot and just made a Running Man sort of music video version of Ghost in the Shell. Forget PKD, just make it all cyber dolls and exploding brains and make sure you can sell toys.


I've seen it mentioned that James Cameron is a huge fan of BAA. But yeah...I have no interest in any of this.
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PostPosted: 11 Feb 2019, 18:31 
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signofzeta wrote:
I almost feel its beneath even talking about. I have zero interest in any of this.

That Battle Angle movie...oh man, no way. That is so ratchet I almost puke looking at it. Who talked who into spending some insane pile of money on making a movie out of a manga almost nobody read? Or was it the OVA that ended at two episodes?

And Ghost in the Shell...what's even the point? Even the people who make the good stuff have a hard time making it consistently good and now you want to 20x the budget just to make it (mostly) live action? Who is this for? Hollywood can't even seem to get Superman right anymore and you want to try this? Is it to make it dumber? That would actually make sense...you could really broaden the market if you took out all the plot and just made a Running Man sort of music video version of Ghost in the Shell. Forget PKD, just make it all cyber dolls and exploding brains and make sure you can sell toys.

Enough said.

I already know in a few years after the comic book movies come and go Hollywood studios next commercial garbage will be nothing but anime/manga adaptations that nobody asked for.
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 Post subject: Re: Live Action Anime Adaptations
PostPosted: 11 Feb 2019, 18:51 
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While I would love to see an adaptation of a film like Akira, I know already after seeing some of the crap they have made that it will be garbage.

Also the other situation involved is that so many of these "groundbreaking" animes were done just way too long ago and they have been remade in anime form or concepts have been used and these are just no longer fresh and matter.

While they may look amazing like GiTS they are just going to miss the point and have another POS to whip Christophe Waltz in again.
Can we not see him anymore in pretty much anything...

What a shocker, he was good in a Tarantino film, thats not hard to do, look what they did for John Travolta.
Then they use him in everything and now everybody realizes why he wasn't in much before or nobody cared about him, he wasn't that good to begin with.

Now you put him in an adaption of an anime nobody cares about, and nobody cared about when it first came out because they were too busy watching the original of a doctor pulling robot parts out of a garbage heap to make his own son, or was that the astroboy movie
with Cage.

And they are banking everything on these two half actors to make one.

Just like GiTS, scar-jo couldn't pull it off and keep that movie alive how can these two actors do it.

While I agree they were horrible, I have to say the pinnacle of these adaptations were films like Guyver and they should either
made new cartoon adaptations or just let it die already and enjoy what we have and have these people invent new stuff that
will move us forward.
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PostPosted: 11 Feb 2019, 20:10 
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Yeah, live action Guyver was at least a shlocky strait to video live action version of a shlocky strait to video anime. Budgets low on both, etc.
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PostPosted: 11 Feb 2019, 21:06 
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Some comments on this topic here:

https://geekculture.co/the-best-and-worst-live-action-anime-movies-ever-made/

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/03/the-10-best-live-action-anime-movies.html

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 Post subject: Re: Live Action Anime Adaptations
PostPosted: 12 Feb 2019, 00:22 
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rein-o wrote:
While I would love to see an adaptation of a film like Akira, I know already after seeing some of the crap they have made that it will be garbage.


What exactly do you want out of a live action anime adaptation? Why start with Akira if it’s not going be Otomo’s art style? Or that OST? Or those cool tracing motorcycle lights?

I’m asking this because while many works translate from one art form to another (such as all the great movies and anime based on books) I genuinely have no interest in seeing the same thing all remade by some opportunistic white people 30 years later in another country. Why? What do you want out of it? What did Akira fail to do on...honestly ANY level that would lead to to wanting a remake of any kind, let alone from the clueless grindhouse of anime remakes? What can James Cameron put in Akira that makes it anything other than an insult to the original? You know he’s just going to set it in LA and make the main characters marines and/or go underwater with it or something else he’s done before only this time it’s more expensive. What’s more desirable? Bastardization or mimicry? Is there another choice?


To me quality isn’t even a factor. Good or bad...it’s already artistically bankrupt. “Good” CG isn’t going to save it. Remakes are fine if they have some reason to exist other than “some people don’t watch anime” which isn’t a good reason. Why sell Akira to people who don’t like Akira? People who don’t like anime don’t get to see Akira. People who don’t like classical music don’t get to enjoy it. Making a rock opera out of The Barber of Seville isn’t a way to broaden the market for Rossini. It would just be a way to give some uninspired composer a starting point for his hackery.
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 Post subject: Re: Live Action Anime Adaptations
PostPosted: 12 Feb 2019, 00:55 
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signofzeta wrote:
rein-o wrote:
While I would love to see an adaptation of a film like Akira, I know already after seeing some of the crap they have made that it will be garbage.


What exactly do you want out of a live action anime adaptation? Why start with Akira if it’s not going be Otomo’s art style? Or that OST? Or those cool tracing motorcycle lights?

I’m asking this because while many works translate from one art form to another (such as all the great movies and anime based on books) I genuinely have no interest in seeing the same thing all remade by some opportunistic white people 30 years later in another country. Why? What do you want out of it? What did Akira fail to do on...honestly ANY level that would lead to to wanting a remake of any kind, let alone from the clueless grindhouse of anime remakes? What can James Cameron put in Akira that makes it anything other than an insult to the original? You know he’s just going to set it in LA and make the main characters marines and/or go underwater with it or something else he’s done before only this time it’s more expensive. What’s more desirable? Bastardization or mimicry? Is there another choice?


To me quality isn’t even a factor. Good or bad...it’s already artistically bankrupt. “Good” CG isn’t going to save it. Remakes are fine if they have some reason to exist other than “some people don’t watch anime” which isn’t a good reason. Why sell Akira to people who don’t like Akira? People who don’t like anime don’t get to see Akira. People who don’t like classical music don’t get to enjoy it. Making a rock opera out of The Barber of Seville isn’t a way to a few years ago broaden the market for Rossini. It would just be a way to give some uninspired composer a starting point for his hackery.


A few years ago a group of indie filmmakers made a live action fan trailer that's almost everything your describing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1GO-93Nt3c
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I've seen it mentioned that James Cameron is a huge fan of BAA. But yeah...I have no interest in any of this.


If he's sure a fan, why used the modified names and title?

I'll have a hard time watching "Alita" when deep inside I know her real name is Gally :-)

GUNNM (gun/dream) sounds more intriguing that Battle Angel.

Yukito Kishiro made a movie poster for the film since he's said to like the visuals in this adaptation:

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PostPosted: 12 Feb 2019, 01:42 
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They gave her such small eyes...

I couldn’t make it through that extremely long Akira trailer. Even the movie itself didn’t have a nearly eight minute build like that.

I wonder how much longer an American Akira would be today. I mean, how long would each film in the trilogy be, sorry.
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One is better off reading the Manga of Akira.
While the trailer is nice its just fan stuff to make others excited about nothing.

And I'm sure Kishiro loves the visuals, hes getting paid bank now, was he a millionaire before??? he is now....

I would love it too if I were a multi millionaire. I wouldn't care if she had purple penisarms, I'm a multi millionaire now :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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One Western adaptation I didn't think was all that bad (but they did change a bit) was Crying Freeman



I actually saw that in a theater in The Philippines when it was first released.

Not a western adaptation, but I thought was a pretty well done LA take was Space Cruiser Yamato



There had been talk for DECADES that a Western adaptation was going to happen for that (and I mean, REALLY Westernizing it by changing the Yamato to the USS Arizona!!!) So far that remains dead in the water.

Probably the first LA anime/manga movie adaptation I had ever seen was Golgo 13: Assignment Kowloon



That around the same time the Golgo 13 had come out for the NES and best friend and I were having a lot of fun trying to beat it--we were floored when TBS (Ted Turner's cable network, not the Japanese station) aired it one Saturday afternoon!!!

One adaptation that recently got the axe was Alexandre Aja's Space Aventure Cobra.

Years ago, it was announced and a promo poster was released . . .

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. . . but last year Aja announced that the project is dead
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PostPosted: 12 Feb 2019, 18:03 
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There was a live action Initial D that was pretty good. There may be more than one of these...
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if akira and eva were made it wouldn't really work as it would be better off as an animated feature like it is. It would be too CGI heavey.
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That Cobra is a real shame, I was looking forward to it.
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xtempo wrote:
if akira and eva were made it wouldn't really work as it would be better off as an animated feature like it is. It would be too CGI heavey.


Yeah, it would just be substituting CG for hand drawn which...again, some people prefer that but do fans of these shows? Probably not. I hope not. I hope there’s not some fool out there saying “I love everything about Akira except the look. Make it more like Iron Man.”
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That is is more f'ed up if Akira were to look like Iron Man.
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