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| Author: | daro2096 [ 02 Sep 2016, 20:25 ] |
| Post subject: | Star Trek TNG PAL version speeded up confirmed |
Have the PAL LD version of Best Of Both Worlds. Part two is 43 minutes and 48 seconds(that includes the dolby prologic logo at the beginning of the side) but on the NTSC DVD version the running time is 45 minutes and 31 seconds. So the PAL version is about 2 minutes speeded up. I don't know what percentage that is but it is a lot. This is why I always import the American releases when I can. Only reason I buy the PAL versions is to complete the set. |
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| Author: | substance [ 02 Sep 2016, 20:37 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Star Trek TNG PAL version speeded up confirmed |
48/60=0.8 minutes 31/60=0.5666667 45.5666667/43.8=1.3919 roughly %4 percent faster. |
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| Author: | daro2096 [ 02 Sep 2016, 20:48 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Star Trek TNG PAL version speeded up confirmed |
substance wrote: 48/60=0.8 minutes 45/43.8=1.027 (~1.03) roughly %3 percent faster. Are you sure it's 45 minutes even? It should be %4 speed up from film to PAL. I have the 2002 region 1(NTSC) issue of the fourth season set and Best of Both Worlds part 2 is 45 minutes and 31 seconds long. The PAL LD Best of Both Worlds part 2(side 2) is 43 minutes and 48 seconds long but this includes as I said the Dolby Pro Logic surround logo sequence at the beginning of the LD side but doesn't include the Pioneer logo at the end of the side of the LD. I knew PAL was faster but I didn't think it was 2 minutes speeded up. You can tell the audio is speeded up if you play the PAL versions. This doesn't just include LD but also the VHS releases and the region 2 releases. |
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| Author: | substance [ 02 Sep 2016, 20:54 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Star Trek TNG PAL version speeded up confirmed |
I fixed the calculation above with the accurate times. Pal is usually speed up by %4. Film is 24 frames and pal is 25 therefore 25/24= ~1.04 = %4 speed up. |
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| Author: | daro2096 [ 02 Sep 2016, 21:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Star Trek TNG PAL version speeded up confirmed |
substance wrote: I fixed the calculation above with the accurate times. Pal is usually speed up by %4. Film is 24 frames and pal is 25 therefore 25/24= ~1.04 = %4 speed up. But American TV is approx. 30 frames a second. Am referring to TV not film. |
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| Author: | substance [ 02 Sep 2016, 21:12 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Star Trek TNG PAL version speeded up confirmed |
Star trek series were shot on film in 24 then converted to video for editing. |
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| Author: | daro2096 [ 02 Sep 2016, 21:19 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Star Trek TNG PAL version speeded up confirmed |
substance wrote: Star trek series were shot on film in 24 then converted to video for editing. The D2 NTSC masters are 60 frames per second(2 fields making up 1 frame). PAL is 50 frames per second. Film is shot at 24 frames(no fields). |
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| Author: | substance [ 02 Sep 2016, 21:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Star Trek TNG PAL version speeded up confirmed |
daro2096 wrote: substance wrote: Star trek series were shot on film in 24 then converted to video for editing. The D2 NTSC masters are 60 frames per second(2 fields making up 1 frame). PAL is 50 frames per second. Film is shot at 24 frames(no fields). Exactly but trek series were shot on 35mm film (except very few interior shots) then edited on ntsc video. 3:2 pull down process is used to convert film to ntsc and it can be reversed. The correct way to convert ntsc (if film sources as in case of star trek) to pal is to apply reverse 3:2 pull down and speed by %4. |
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| Author: | daro2096 [ 02 Sep 2016, 21:36 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Star Trek TNG PAL version speeded up confirmed |
Presumable then the Blu-Ray releases should be the same speed the world over then. |
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| Author: | substance [ 02 Sep 2016, 22:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Star Trek TNG PAL version speeded up confirmed |
daro2096 wrote: Presumable then the Blu-Ray releases should be the same speed the world over then. For the blurays they went back to the original 35mm film prints and did new masters. Those few shots which originate from video cameras opposed to 35mm were either re-shot(cgi) or cleaned and upscaled. They did a major work for the tng series. The original series were %100 on 35mm so it was less work but those also come from the original 24 frame and new masters. Enterprise episodrs were shot on digital hd cameras in 1080i60, those were converted to 1080p24 using 3:2 pull down(if done correctly, it is artifact free). There is only 1 ds9 episode on season 3 of tos bluray as an extras. No plans for voyager and ds9 to be ported to bluray yet. |
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