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PostPosted: 15 Jun 2015, 11:17 
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So now I finally got around to get some screenshots of my BVM-20F1. What do you guys think? :)

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 Post subject: Re: CRT
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2015, 22:29 
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My Sony HDM-3830 is currently up and running! :D

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Blade Runner on Blu-Ray, 1080i.

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PostPosted: 24 Jun 2015, 08:53 
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I am amazed you found a table that can hold the weight of this beast!
The 3830 was one of my wet dreams for years...
But the 2830 wasn't bad either.
Have fun with it!
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PostPosted: 24 Jun 2015, 10:14 
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The table was included. My dad loved it and said if we ever get rid of the monitor he has to keep the table. Very strong but it also has electronically adjustable height. Such luxury and very easy to move whenever it's on it thanks to the wheels. :)

I've got some converges issues at the moment whenever I run anything in 480p but in 1080i there's really nothing to complain about. Such a lovely monitor.

EDIT: Have played with it for some time now. Convergence is rather easy to adjust and get right on this monitor but what looks good in 1080i look terrible in 480p and vice versa. For that reason I wouldn't recommend using different resolutions on this monitor. A video processor helps out a lot in these cases.

Some more captures. All of which are from Blu-Rays, running in 1080i. It's a beauty.

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PostPosted: 15 Jul 2015, 01:39 
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Is anyone familiar with the Philips 34PW9819? There is one for sale locally. Looks like a decent television, but not sure if the seller is hyping it up or if it really is a good set. Also now that I'm typing and reading this to myself, I'm curious how it would fair with older media players.
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PostPosted: 15 Jul 2015, 21:30 
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I have a 27" Sony Wega (KV-27FS13) SDTV that is going strong. I have had it for at least 10 years and it works very well. It has great PQ on either 480i or 480p sources. Its picture is very amazing when you are playing an HD-DVD movie and the player downconverts from 1080 to 480.
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 Post subject: Re: CRT
PostPosted: 17 Jul 2015, 17:13 
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ace2184 wrote:
Is anyone familiar with the Philips 34PW9819? There is one for sale locally. Looks like a decent television, but not sure if the seller is hyping it up or if it really is a good set. Also now that I'm typing and reading this to myself, I'm curious how it would fair with older media players.

Most of the widescreen CRTs that came out in the late 90s and early 00's are of high quality, and they better be for the price these things were fetching (the first widescreen WEGA had a $8000 price tag back in 1998!!!)

This Philips seems to have some good features to it: 3D comb filter, HDCP compliant DVI connection (that way you can connect a blu-ray player with an HDMI to DVI cable and get HD-resolutions.)

I've never seen it in action though.

Here are the specs: http://download.p4c.philips.com/files/3 ... _aenus.pdf
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PostPosted: 17 Jul 2015, 17:50 
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elahrairrah wrote:
the first widescreen WEGA had a $8000 price tag back in 1998!!!

Do you know how much my HDM was back in the days? ;)
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$70,000

But then, we're comparing a professional monitor to a consumer product. It's kind of like comparing a perfect apple to a rotten pear.
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PostPosted: 19 Jul 2015, 21:40 
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Looks awesome, nissling. The only HD crt I've kept is my Panny CT-32HXC43. It's a wonderful set but I would say it is from the downslope of 4:3 sets toward the 16:9 sets...pretty bare bones, no comb filter period nor 720 mode, just pure ED/HD. 1080i is quite nice but not as nice as yours, even from a camera shot on a forum!!!

I'm currently testing cables for 480p, particularly for original xbox. The best ones are cheap...many of the "upscale" cables for that console produce a s**t ton of ringing on this television. My favorite so far is a cheapass multi system cable for xbox/ps2/gamecube. I don't know it's origin or brand lol.
  
 
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PostPosted: 19 Jul 2015, 22:30 
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The Sony HDM-3830 is like a BVM on steroids. Just like yours it only has ED/HD, either through YPbPr or RGBHV. It's by far the heaviest (405lbs) and most expensive CRT I know of. When I first saw it in real person I almost passed out and thought "What the hell am I doing?!" (mainly due to its reasonable size) but afterwards it's lovely to have seen this monitor in action. The picture is stunning in every single way.

But then again, there is a romantic rumor when it comes to CRTs. Some people seem to refer to what the very best reference monitors were capable of when they're explaining what the technology is all about. Those monitors don't have much in common with a 28" CRT that were sold by Magnavox to the consumers in the 90s if you know what I mean. ;)
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PostPosted: 20 Jul 2015, 04:30 
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And indeed the Panasonic is pure consumer goods. I may evolve into trying these monitors someday but for now I have to appreciate others. Say, is that the monitor from the beginning of Until the end of the World?
  
 
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PostPosted: 20 Jul 2015, 09:26 
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Did Panasonic ever make any reference CRT monitors? I know they've made LCD ones at least but I've never seen a professional CRT by them. Sony is by far the most common, but NEC, JVC and Ikegami also shows up now and then. Reference CRTs behave very different to consumer ones but use whatever suits you. Have a look at Phonedork's videos to get an idea what some of them are like.

About Until the end of the world, I think that's the HDM-2830 so it's very close but the bottom is wider on the 3830 (and it's overall bigger of course). Very interesting to see so thanks for telling me. I wonder where that CRT is by now... :)
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PostPosted: 28 Jul 2015, 01:07 
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Sorry, out of town working! I don't know. Someone might. I would think that until the time of consumer HD sets with better precision and fabrication, the screens wouldn't be good enough. Trinitron really ruled the roost for a long long time. It strikes me as one of few technologies which could reach that level until very late. Other makers probably upped their game on precise manufacturing....perhaps even ushering in the era of competitive shadow masks? Just speculating there.

My money says Wim Wenders still has that set and uses it for shmups :lol:
  
 
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PostPosted: 28 Jul 2015, 19:49 
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elahrairrah wrote:
ace2184 wrote:
Is anyone familiar with the Philips 34PW9819? There is one for sale locally. Looks like a decent television, but not sure if the seller is hyping it up or if it really is a good set. Also now that I'm typing and reading this to myself, I'm curious how it would fair with older media players.

Most of the widescreen CRTs that came out in the late 90s and early 00's are of high quality, and they better be for the price these things were fetching (the first widescreen WEGA had a $8000 price tag back in 1998!!!)

This Philips seems to have some good features to it: 3D comb filter, HDCP compliant DVI connection (that way you can connect a blu-ray player with an HDMI to DVI cable and get HD-resolutions.)

I've never seen it in action though.

Here are the specs: http://download.p4c.philips.com/files/3 ... _aenus.pdf


Thanks for the reply elahrairrah. Recently two HD-CRT's have come up for sale near me. One is a Toshiba 32HF73 and the seller is only asking $40, seems to be in good shape and has the remote. The other is a Sony KV-30XBR910, but the seller of that wants considerably more money. I'm not 100% sold on getting on, but I'm wondering if these are good monitors for older and modern movie watching.
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PostPosted: 31 Jul 2015, 19:07 
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ace2184 wrote:
Thanks for the reply elahrairrah. Recently two HD-CRT's have come up for sale near me. One is a Toshiba 32HF73 and the seller is only asking $40, seems to be in good shape and has the remote. The other is a Sony KV-30XBR910, but the seller of that wants considerably more money. I'm not 100% sold on getting on, but I'm wondering if these are good monitors for older and modern movie watching.

According to the spec sheet . . .

http://support.toshiba.com/support/mode ... xt=2841706

. . . that Toshiba is pretty comprable to the WEGA KV-32HS510 that I got for my parents, so I would go for that over the Sony (mostly because I'd rather have a 4:3 CRT over a 16:9 CRT.)
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PostPosted: 02 Aug 2015, 17:50 
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elahrairrah wrote:
ace2184 wrote:
According to the spec sheet . . .

http://support.toshiba.com/support/mode ... xt=2841706

. . . that Toshiba is pretty comprable to the WEGA KV-32HS510 that I got for my parents, so I would go for that over the Sony (mostly because I'd rather have a 4:3 CRT over a 16:9 CRT.)


I suck so hard sometimes. TV sold for $27. Was only 15 miles from me...oh well.
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PostPosted: 02 Aug 2015, 19:57 
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Buy a ticket to Germany and purchase this one instead. Then you will see what it's all about. :D
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SONY-HDM-2830 ... 1015882085
Or, if you can find a Sony BVM-D32 (or A32) it'd be even nicer though they're still quite expensive.
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PostPosted: 03 Aug 2015, 09:36 
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Buy a ticket to Germany and purchase this one instead. Then you will see what it's all about. :D
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SONY-HDM-2830 ... 1015882085
Or, if you can find a Sony BVM-D32 (or A32) it'd be even nicer though they're still quite expensive.


You know, some years ago, this seller had a room full of unused, boxed, HLD-X9's.
Maybe someone should ask him if he is also selling those :P
But his prices are hilarious, and this very monitor is sold "untested as is".
So yeah, try your luck.
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PostPosted: 03 Aug 2015, 09:39 
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Yes 888 euros is too much. Doesn't seem very reliable, which is a shame. When I'm done with my HDM I'll donate it to a museum. Don't want to ask for any money and it should get a final peaceful place to rest where it'll always remain a piece of history,
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PostPosted: 03 Aug 2015, 20:45 
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nissling wrote:
Buy a ticket to Germany and purchase this one instead. Then you will see what it's all about. :D
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SONY-HDM-2830 ... 1015882085
Or, if you can find a Sony BVM-D32 (or A32) it'd be even nicer though they're still quite expensive.


That monitor looks like a heavy monster. On the other hand I would like to go to Germany and attempt to track down family.
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