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tasuke
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Post subject: Re: HD CRTs-are they worth it? Posted: 24 Aug 2015, 16:45 |
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i dunno, LD looks quite dandy to me on the pair of LCDs i've had since 2011 or so, first a 42" SAMSUNG that developed issues within warranty period, and then a 46" BEST BUY INSIGNIA that has served me flawlessly to this day; other SD sources also look fantastic on the INSIGNIA, at least to my non-JOE KANE approved eyes; (all are direct source-to-display, no pre-processing) VHS S-VHS VIDEO GAME (PlayStation 1)
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Post subject: Re: HD CRTs-are they worth it? Posted: 24 Aug 2015, 19:41 |
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elahrairrah wrote: Another user I recall just bought a gigantic widescreen pro CRT and likes it. Moi? I didn't buy it, I got it. The HDMs (as well as the PVMs and BVMs) are reference monitors and I'd say they're as far away from a typical CRT as it can possibly get. It has non of that grayish, soft, cold, forgiving and flickering picture with an awfully obvious shadow mask that you may expect from a consumer model. Either way, the image is ridiculously enjoyable in every possible way and even though it's entirely impossible for me to get it in my house (I've got it out in the garage atm) it's an honor just to have experienced it. However, I'd never try to compare it to a consumer display of any kind. It would be very interesting though to compare it to a modern top of the line pro-OLED monitor side by side and see how much technology has improved over the last 25 years. A capture from it, running Mononoke-Hime on Blu-Ray in 1080i.
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elahrairrah
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Post subject: Re: HD CRTs-are they worth it? Posted: 24 Aug 2015, 20:58 |
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Well WEGA's don't have a shadow mask, so that line of CRTs have that going for them at least I used to have a Pro CRT as well (originally intended for computer presentations back in the 90s.) It had a nice picture so long as you fed it something high quality in RGB. Trying to feed LD to it straight wasn't all so nice. Wasn't too bad when I used a DVDO line doubler, but I elected to go with a WEGA CRT so I could get an internal 3D comb filter and internal closed captioning. Been quite happy with that. The Pro CRT my brother is using now. Surprised that thing is still kicking being nearly 20 years old, but I guess they made those things to last for a while (since they cost $9999 back then!!)
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elahrairrah
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Post subject: Re: HD CRTs-are they worth it? Posted: 27 Aug 2015, 14:02 |
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It's a Hi-Scan tube like the XBR800 series, so I would say the picture quality would be about the same. Bout the only outward differences I can see is that the 420s have HDMI instead of DVI like the XBR800s (so you won't have to find a pesky HDMI-to-DVI cable or adapter--and sometimes you get the wrong one) and the 420s don't have Picture-in-Picture like the XBR800s, but that isn't a very useful item these days unless you like doing video comparisons. Also has a 3D comb filter, but not sure if it's the same filter as in the XBR series. Checking the spec sheets (click on "Marketing Specifications" link on these pages) . . . HS420sXBR800s. . . another feature I see that the XBR800s don't have that the HS420s do is "Vertical Center Adjustment." Not really sure what that does though--possibly a means to move the picture up and down? All in all though, you really can't go wrong with the later 4:3 WEGA series so long as you get a Hi-Scan or Super Fine Pitch set. I picked up a KV-32HS510 (similar to the XBR800s series and precursor to the HS420 models) for my mom off of craigslist for free for my mom, and it kicks butt. Much better than the SD KV-32FS120 that she had before. Sony 3D comb filters and 4:3 screens FTW!! EDIT: Okay, taking a look at the Spec Sheet for the KD-36XS955 (Super Fine Pitch) that I have, this one also has the "Vertical Center Adjustment" as well. I'm guessing that's the feature that lets you zoom in on a 16:9 enhanced screen to fill up the 4:3 picture? Kinda came in handy when I played a 4:3 image DVD on my blu-ray player though the HDMI input.
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Post subject: Re: HD CRTs-are they worth it? Posted: 23 Oct 2015, 17:22 |
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elahrairrah wrote: bmich1 wrote: I would make an exception for a Sony KD-36XS955 TV with the SuperFine dot pitch. There's one for cheap in South Jersey if youv'e anywhere near there . . . http://southjersey.craigslist.org/ele/5188244292.htmlI found one dumped under a bridge a few weeks back. I almost shed a tear.
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Post subject: Re: HD CRTs-are they worth it? Posted: 30 Nov 2015, 19:09 |
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Figured out what my problem was finally!
My old FS120 is a great 4:3 SD set, but only has a simple comb filter, and that's why I needed the ES25.
The XBR960 does NOT display 480i. Plain and simple. It will do 480p and 1080i. 720p is auto upscaled to 1080i. Anything SD has three options: Interlaced which upscales in the TV to 960i, Progressive which converts 480i to 480p, and CineMotion which does a 3:2 pulldown.
Thus old games look hideous and are unusable, and only stunning late era LDs really work well. Grrrrr!!! Why in the hell did they remove 480i processing?!?!?!?
So currently, my best option is to run straight composite on the Interlaced setting for upscaled 960i. It looks quite good, if not perfect, and can hold up against DVD or BD played on other inputs. Only problem is the pesky confusing Sony DRC palette settings for setting detail in SD sources. I have no idea what to set it for because you can't turn it off.
I still need to try an external processor like a DVDO or Lumagen, the trouble is finding an affordable one!
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elahrairrah
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Post subject: Re: HD CRTs-are they worth it? Posted: 16 Jul 2016, 19:07 |
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So for the hell of it, I'm looking through craigslist for WEGAs and Trinitron TVs. I come across two odd models Sony KV-36FV310I'm guessing judging by the date (2003) on the Marketing Spec sheet on that one that it might be the last SD WEGA model that features a 3D comb filter. I suppose for those who don't want their LDs deinterlaced or scaled like they would be on one of the Hi-Scan or Fine Pitch WEGAs, this is probably the latest model worthwhile for them. I imagine old video game consoles kick a** on that one too. Sony KD-36FS130This is an odd one as it appears to be an SD tube but features an integrated ATSC tuner! I guess it downscales the received HD signals like a converter box does. Also only features a "Digital Comb Filter." Since the marketing specs (with date of 2006 on it) don't say "3D Comb Filter" must only be a 2D filter. I would imagine this is the one last SD WEGAs released on the US market.
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Post subject: Re: HD CRTs-are they worth it? Posted: 19 Jul 2020, 14:38 |
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shopkins82 wrote: I know this is an old thread, but how are the last few generations of Toshiba 16:9 CRTs? I had a 30" HDMI model 5 years back in the bedroom (free on CL post divorce when I was just replacing things as cheaply as possible) and remember it having a solid picture, but replaced it with a larger 50" LCD fairly quickly. Now that I'm dabbling with LD again I started looking and can get a similar late-model 34" Toshiba HDMI model for free and I still have the cabinet in the bedroom sitting empty. Thoughts? If you won't kill your back and it doesn't have bad issues I'd say go for it. The big thing as with any TV is usage. Even though it's free you really don't want one with a worn out tube that looks like crap, has discoloration etc
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