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pbiancardi
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Post subject: Getting the best out of my LD Player to HDTV. Posted: 16 Oct 2015, 11:54 |
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There is so much info that I have been reading in various places but it is very difficult to figure out what is current and what is outdated. I am trying to go from my LD player (currently a free CLD-S303) to my HDTV (Samsung UN46D7000 1080p model) with the best results possible.
So we start with the first step in the chain which is LD player, I know my current one can get better, I am working on that. I have a CLD-D750 on the way and am always on the lookout for a better model at a reasonable price, so for the moment lets ignore the obvious get a better player suggestion.
I have tried going direct from LD composite to HDTV composite input but was not really happy with the results (lots of noise / artifacts / ghosting / crosstalk / off colors).
I purchased a Key Digital KD-VPHD2 scaler / processor on eBay and just got it hooked up yesterday, better but I am still not really satisfied, I still feel like things are kind of out of focus and that the colors are off.
I just purchased a Panasonic DMR-ES15 DVD recorder on eBay because that seems to be a common suggestions (not sure if this is still current advice or if there is something better), I will just resell it if it does me no good.
So my idea is LD composite out -->DMR-ES15 composite in-->DMR-ES15 SVideo out-->KD-VPHD2 Svideo in-->KD-VPHD2 HDMI @ 1080p out-->TV with the idea that the ES15 provides the comb filter, the scaler provides the deinterlacer and upconversion and the TV is just the display. Does this make sense? Should I use the ES15 component out instead of Svideo?
Is there any more current or better way that I should be looking at trying, I am all for experimenting until I get the result I am happy with. I have been reading about DPS-290 being used somewhere in the chain also, can anyone explain what that would provide and how it would integrate in everything?
_________________ Sony HIL-C2EX w/ AC3 Sony HIL-C1 w/ AC3 Sony MDP-999
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elahrairrah
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Post subject: Re: Getting the best out of my LD Player to HDTV. Posted: 16 Oct 2015, 14:14 |
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Joined: 30 Aug 2005, 15:38 Posts: 3416 Location: Pennsylvania Has thanked: 77 times Been thanked: 142 times
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You can try the component from the DVD recorder. I have an ES25 (same model as the ES15, save for the addition of an HDMI output.) I've found that the DVD recorder does a pretty good job of converting composite color space to component though you might have to toggle the brightness and contrast settings a bit as the recorder darkens the LD picture slightly. If you can get your hands on a "Video Essentials" disc, that will walk you step by step on getting the color and brightness settings right. It's a MUST when trying to get a good LD picture on an HD display. There are a few on ebay right now for a decent price: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=&_ ... _sacat=381
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pbiancardi
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Post subject: Re: Getting the best out of my LD Player to HDTV. Posted: 16 Oct 2015, 16:12 |
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elahrairrah wrote: You can try the component from the DVD recorder. I have an ES25 (same model as the ES15, save for the addition of an HDMI output.) I've found that the DVD recorder does a pretty good job of converting composite color space to component though you might have to toggle the brightness and contrast settings a bit as the recorder darkens the LD picture slightly. If you can get your hands on a "Video Essentials" disc, that will walk you step by step on getting the color and brightness settings right. It's a MUST when trying to get a good LD picture on an HD display. There are a few on ebay right now for a decent price: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=&_ ... _sacat=381I already have those on my watch list thanks. So my concept for setup sounds ok?
_________________ Sony HIL-C2EX w/ AC3 Sony HIL-C1 w/ AC3 Sony MDP-999
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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: Getting the best out of my LD Player to HDTV. Posted: 17 Oct 2015, 02:02 |
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pbiancardi wrote: I have tried going direct from LD composite to HDTV composite input but was not really happy with the results (lots of noise / artifacts / ghosting / crosstalk / off colors). OK first off I just want to correct you. Crosstalk is an issue with disc and player NOT via composite and won't go away with a scaler. It will be better on certain players and players that have been correctly adjusted, some 704s and other models were not even properly calibrated from the factory. As for all your other issues you can only get as good as the 20+ year old dead format can give. The rest is trial and error. Good luck and enjoy. ________________________________ the rein-o official signature:
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elahrairrah
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Post subject: Re: Getting the best out of my LD Player to HDTV. Posted: 09 Nov 2015, 23:38 |
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I can only tell you the results I've gotten with the DVD recorders that I've used. I've chronicled them here in this post: http://forum.lddb.com/viewtopic.php?p=30670#p30670So far I like to use the Panasonic DMR-ES25/15 as it has a decent 3D comb filter and can record on dual layer discs (albeit a little clumsily.) I've kicked around the idea of trying out a Sony DVD recorder in the hopes that it might have the same comb filter that they've included in their hi-end WEGA TVs, but that's pretty wishful thinking.
Last edited by elahrairrah on 09 Nov 2015, 23:43, edited 1 time in total.
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ace2184
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Post subject: Re: Getting the best out of my LD Player to HDTV. Posted: 11 Nov 2015, 01:43 |
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So I picked up a Sony RDR-GXD455 DVD recorder for $20. I figured worse case scenario I'm out $20. My Thoughts after trying it out:
1) As far as scaling it to my tv, I'd say it does a better job than I expected, especially compared to the limited options my tv has. In the past I had just settled with leaving the imagine in the center of the tv, and was okay with that, but this Sony scales it pretty decently to my tv without cutting off any of the picture, pretty happy about that.
2)Scaling aside, I'd say the picture quality isn't any better, maybe even a smidge worse? I wish I was technical as some of the other members here, the only way I can describe it is it seems more processed? Like it going through the HDMI is adding something to the picture? If that's the case I'm not sure I care for it. There's also the possibility I don't have the picture calibrated properly.
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ace2184
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Post subject: Re: Getting the best out of my LD Player to HDTV. Posted: 11 Nov 2015, 09:19 |
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elahrairrah wrote: It's possible the upscaling from that recorder increases the sharpness and/or brings in edge enhancement. I believe you're correct. I was screwing around with the settings and notice the resolution was set on auto. I tried it on 1080i and then tried it on 720p. On 720p the picture looks considerably better than the other two settings. I'm sure there are more tweaks that can be done, but with my player running into the dvd recorder with composite, and then into my tv with HDMI, set at 720p, the image looks better than I was expecting to get. Worth the $20. My discs are watchable again
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