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laserpaal
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Post subject: Re: Is there a complete LD PLAYER LIST? If not let's make on Posted: 29 Aug 2017, 21:44 |
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laserpaal wrote: @Allgaeuer - seeing you are doing a complete LD player list, have it crossed your mind about making a complete LD player parts list for comparison and to check whether parts can be salvaged from players to be re-used in other models? Something like Pioneer's own parts detail list, but for example create a sticky thread and chronologically list the VEB-part numbers and behind in parentes list the models using this specific part. For all we know, Pioneers cross-reference schematics won't be there forever when all the new parts are gone. I haven't any specific parts in my mind at the moment, but let us say part numbers for cogs, springs, etc. - mechanical parts that are the same size and worth the effort of keeping instead of dumping. It is both eco-friendly and better use of parts that may have many years left on their back. I know this is a huge task and not something one would do just for fun, but I think in the end that would have been something of effort to those who fix their own equipment and the forum would have been an even more complete database. I'm sure there are many here that would contribute to it and share knowledge! Seems like Julien have begun a sticky thread of what I had in mind. How did I miss it? Sorry for getting off-topic.
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blam1
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Post subject: Re: Is there a complete LD PLAYER LIST? If not let's make on Posted: 16 Oct 2017, 17:52 |
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allgaeuer wrote: In a Panasonic manual I saw that Panasonic distinguishes between e.g. a model LX-600U and LX-600CA, but to me it looks as if the only difference is that the one with the U is the model intended for the USA, and the one with CA is the model intended for Canada - I could not find any physical difference between these two models ...
The mains voltage is 120V/60Hz in both countries, and also the mains plugs are the same, so where is the difference? Does somebody know what is the difference between these two models? This seems to be the pattern by several makers. Matsushita adds letter designation to the model number, Pioneer adds a "Type" (KU for US, KC for Canada, RD/RA/S/SG for "US Military"). I've not yet figured out the coding for all of Pioneer's options - and there are a crap-ton of them.
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admin
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Post subject: Re: Is there a complete LD PLAYER LIST? If not let's make on Posted: 09 Jan 2018, 03:07 |
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My good resolution for 2018... Work on the LD Player database code! There's been a surge in technical questions/issues topics on the forum, spreading the relevant information all over the place + the search engine isn't exactly very smart. We should aggregate all this knowledge by player (in the comment section, like LD titles today) to serve as a FAQ/Technical reference by player (eventually linking others for further references). This could also add an additional "hardware" section to include MUSE decoders, AC3RF demodulators and Pioneer part numbers. Julien
_________________ HARDWARE DATABASE HLD-X0/9 LD-S9 OPPO 105/205 SL-1200G LDD-1 MSC-4000 R2144 PONTUS II C45 MC257
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exinferis
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Post subject: Re: Is there a complete LD PLAYER LIST? If not let's make on Posted: 10 May 2018, 15:55 |
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I guess I found another LD Player not on the list: It´s an NTSC only Player named ITV DV-500K. I stumbled upon it while browsing ebay. The back says, it is produced in Korea. Otherwise I don´t have any information about the player. Maybe that helps to complete the list...it´s been quiet around here for a while, I´m curious if we get the Laserdiscplayer addition to the database ?
_________________ HLD-X9, CLD97 w/AC-3 MOD,LD-S1, CLD-925, CC DECODER, DVDO VP50, DENON AVC-A1SE, PHILIPS 52PFL7432D
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exinferis
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Post subject: Re: Is there a complete LD PLAYER LIST? If not let's make on Posted: 12 May 2018, 13:05 |
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And here is another one: Setron DV5000NK, NTSC PLayer, Karaokemodel, Made in the Republic of Korea. Whats is exactly needed (specs) for this list ? I saved some pics of this player, just in case.
_________________ HLD-X9, CLD97 w/AC-3 MOD,LD-S1, CLD-925, CC DECODER, DVDO VP50, DENON AVC-A1SE, PHILIPS 52PFL7432D
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Post subject: Re: Is there a complete LD PLAYER LIST? If not let's make on Posted: 08 Jun 2018, 09:12 |
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admin wrote: This could also add an additional "hardware" section to include MUSE decoders, AC3RF demodulators and Pioneer part numbers. Definitely going to try to write something flexible enough to allow spare parts to be items that can be submitted and allow pictures as well. => So not a "Player Database" but a "Hardware Dabatase" to complete the current one that is, in reality, a "Software Database" Found a section of a website with ALL Pioneer Electronics parts numbers (more than 370,000!), catalog descriptions and most recent prices in USD (either sold out or not). Will retrieve them all to later filter the ones directly related to LaserDisc players. Julien
_________________ HARDWARE DATABASE HLD-X0/9 LD-S9 OPPO 105/205 SL-1200G LDD-1 MSC-4000 R2144 PONTUS II C45 MC257
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Post subject: Re: Is there a complete LD PLAYER LIST? If not let's make on Posted: 20 Mar 2019, 15:39 |
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admin wrote: => So not a "Player Database" but a "Hardware Dabatase" to complete the current one that is, in reality, a "Software Database" Found a section of a website with ALL Pioneer Electronics parts numbers (more than 370,000!), catalog descriptions and most recent prices in USD (either sold out or not). Will retrieve them all to later filter the ones directly related to LaserDisc players. - First of all, I downloaded ALL (about 370,000+) Pioneer part references from ued.net.
Ex: https://www.ued.net/ued/viewItemAction.do?itemCode=PNRVNL1371 or https://www.ued.net/ued/viewItemAction.do?itemCode=PNRVEB1149
Of course I'll have to either remove the ones not related to LD Players (DVD, BD, car audio, speakers, A/V amps, etc.) or validate that they are indeed LD-related using the Service Manuals available today.
- So I need a few different interfaces that allows to post updates/submits for HARDWARE.
- One where one could confirm that a specific spare parts in the Pioneer catalog is indeed LD related
PIONEER-PARTS ==> Flag as "relevant" and add description/picture if possible
- One where one could added/update a Player/Device
HARDWARE-LIST => Add a new device
Basically I'll offer to use EVERY possible connectors we identified as both possible INPUT(s) and OUTPUT(s). It will make the screen a little overloaded so I'll narrow down the default choices to the usual suspects (S-Video, Composite, Toslink, Coax, RCA, etc.)
- A Player/Device can also be flag as being the rebadged version of another player (ex: all the sellers repacking Pioneer players, AC3RF demod based on Yamaha or Pioneer ones, etc.)
DEVICE #x => Refers to DEVICE #y
- One where we can flag a specific part to a specific player/device.
Example: VNL1371 belongs to CLD-M90 (based on either ued.net or the service manual). This way I can reverse a search and find out which players/devices are using the VNL1371 part and could be recycled/reused from a dead player.
My goal is to allow: - To break down a player into its parts (that includes remote controls, etc.)
- To find out which parts are shared among players
- To highlight which devices are based on other models
- To add additions/updates from users (with admin validation, I'm paranoid about data quality
- To allow users to buy & sell like today for LDs.
- Bonus: Pictures of everything
Julien
_________________ HARDWARE DATABASE HLD-X0/9 LD-S9 OPPO 105/205 SL-1200G LDD-1 MSC-4000 R2144 PONTUS II C45 MC257
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blam1
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Post subject: Re: Is there a complete LD PLAYER LIST? If not let's make on Posted: 20 Mar 2019, 17:55 |
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krbahr wrote: About the only parts that can be swapped between players are the mechanical assemblies, even the LD-S9 and HLD-X9 use the same mechanical assembly as in the CLD-99/704/etc. All the electrical boards have some type of difference, differences are as little as the same boards where the IC's are programmed differently all the way to completely different component layouts. Older units CLD-D702 and older had common mechanical parts.
When I get parts units I keep a few parts and throw the rest away I have experienced this myself. I've been parting out DVL-919 units and can confirm you must maintain the paring of some boards. For example, the CLDM varies in every model and you cannot take the CLDM from a Japanese player and mate it to a GYCB from a US player. While they physically GO together and you can get a picture, the graphic overlays don't work (like pressing the "Display" button). For LD-G to work (for example), you must have the Japanese CLDM, GYCB and FKLY all together. The DVDM board seems to be interchangeable between any of the players, with the exception of players marked with a '(1)' on the back. Those DVDM boards must be mated with the correct FKLY board or you will get error messages on the display. On the surface, you might think the CLD-D703 and CLD-D704 are essentially the same player, with the exception of the addition of AC-3 on the AUDB board. However, if you take the front panel board from a D703 and try to use it in a CLD-D704 (which I did because of a broken board in the 704), the player plays great - as long as the disc is encoded with TOC. If there is no TOC, the player will just sit there spinning the disc forever. If you take the 56 pin IC out of the 704 board and put it in the 703 board, full functionality is restored. Mechanically, the playback assembly from a DVL-919 can be used in any of the DVL players. The only issue I've found is the length of the cables coming from the pickup carousel being shorter in the DVL-700 based players (DVL-700, DVL-9, DVL-90). I've got an entire playback assembly that I can drop in when testing a "new" player.
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ldfan
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Post subject: Re: Is there a complete LD PLAYER LIST? If not let's make on Posted: 21 Mar 2019, 06:58 |
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blam1 wrote: On the surface, you might think the CLD-D703 and CLD-D704 are essentially the same player, with the exception of the addition of AC-3 on the AUDB board. However, if you take the front panel board from a D703 and try to use it in a CLD-D704 (which I did because of a broken board in the 704), the player plays great - as long as the disc is encoded with TOC. If there is no TOC, the player will just sit there spinning the disc forever. If you take the 56 pin IC out of the 704 board and put it in the 703 board, full functionality is restored.
That's very interesting to know. I would have assumed the differences were just the AUDB board as well. So is this 56 pin IC the located on the display board? I'm assuming that is what you mean.
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admin
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Post subject: Re: Is there a complete LD PLAYER LIST? If not let's make on Posted: 25 Mar 2019, 11:20 |
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admin wrote: - First of all, I downloaded ALL (about 370,000+) Pioneer part references from ued.net.
Ex: https://www.ued.net/ued/viewItemAction.do?itemCode=PNRVNL1371 or https://www.ued.net/ued/viewItemAction.do?itemCode=PNRVEB1149Of course I'll have to either remove the ones not related to LD Players (DVD, BD, car audio, speakers, A/V amps, etc.) or validate that they are indeed LD-related using the Service Manuals available today. The list is quite impressive! They have every single Pioneer Electronics parts ever used (up to 2018 where I downloaded the list). I can find al the GGV* test discs where Nicolas Santini got his information from. Also listing interesting things like Hi-Vision Test discs, DACs, the Owner Manuals and Service Manuals, etc. Also have the AC3 Demodulators such as RFD-1. One could basically, with the Service Manual, completely break down a player to its original parts, including packing box, remote control and power cables! It also includes LOT of parts that have no direct connection to LDs (turntable, DJ decks, A/V Amps, DVD players, BD players). First step will be to create a user view where you can help by confirming a part number, its description and which device (player or else) it is related to as a first entry -- it could be related to more than one device. Therefore step 0 will be to refresh the players/devices list! Julien
_________________ HARDWARE DATABASE HLD-X0/9 LD-S9 OPPO 105/205 SL-1200G LDD-1 MSC-4000 R2144 PONTUS II C45 MC257
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Post subject: Re: Is there a complete LD PLAYER LIST? If not let's make on Posted: 26 Mar 2019, 00:54 |
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I obviously can't list it entirely here but if we group by first letter, here is the breakdown: prefix / count # 2 + 23 0 2,286 1 6,678 2 8,748 3 2,178 4 1,595 5 1,563 6 1,400 7 5,089 8 1,555 9 3,009 @ 76 A 60,563 B 8,816 C 10,7285 D 19,545 E 3,057 F 3,652 G 5,785 H 7,796 I 1,222 J 1,364 K 2,023 L 2,131 M 3,800 N 1,651 O 1,172 P 20,495 Q 3,778 R 25,773 S 15,148 T 9,912 U 1,060 V 17,246 W 3,296 X 6,323 Y 2,760 Z 191
Total = 370,046Julien
_________________ HARDWARE DATABASE HLD-X0/9 LD-S9 OPPO 105/205 SL-1200G LDD-1 MSC-4000 R2144 PONTUS II C45 MC257
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Post subject: Re: Is there a complete LD PLAYER LIST? If not let's make on Posted: 26 Mar 2019, 16:40 |
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I also need to retain the substitutions in case they are meaningful: Ex: VNL1637Product Substitution Information: VNL1700 PIONEER ELECTRONICS M HOLDER VNL1779 PIONEER ELECTRONICS MOTOR HOLDER Edit: good thing I kept them, they were about 18,000+ entries with about 26,000+ substitutes. Julien
_________________ HARDWARE DATABASE HLD-X0/9 LD-S9 OPPO 105/205 SL-1200G LDD-1 MSC-4000 R2144 PONTUS II C45 MC257
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Post subject: Re: Is there a complete LD PLAYER LIST? If not let's make on Posted: 04 Apr 2019, 23:46 |
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Here goes the quick parts select box (with ajax loading)! https://www.lddb.com/_test.phpAttachment:
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Next code to write: multiple selection of devices (to assign one looked-up part # to several devices, ex: VNL1700). Julien
_________________ HARDWARE DATABASE HLD-X0/9 LD-S9 OPPO 105/205 SL-1200G LDD-1 MSC-4000 R2144 PONTUS II C45 MC257
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Post subject: Re: Is there a complete LD PLAYER LIST? If not let's make on Posted: 07 Apr 2019, 12:10 |
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admin wrote: Next code to write: multiple selection of devices (to assign one looked-up part # to several devices, ex: VNL1700). Getting there. Right now I only have a test dataset of: DEB1169 -> LD-S9 and DEB1169 -> HLD-X9 to play with. Attachment:
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Must still figure out if parts should be (#1) treated as a (rather dumb and simple) device and added to the main hardware database or if (#2) I should treat them as a separate entity altogether. #1 is easy but I foresee trouble in the future for scaling/expanding. #2 will require more careful coding. My current definition of "Device" is something that requires electrical power, was sold commercially with a public model name and price. Then "Parts/Accessories" are anything not sold retail (service manuals, etc. like PacParts.com), electrical or not (plastic parts, remote controls, books, anything else) that only requires a Brand/Reference/Description and can be associated with 1 or more devices. Julien
_________________ HARDWARE DATABASE HLD-X0/9 LD-S9 OPPO 105/205 SL-1200G LDD-1 MSC-4000 R2144 PONTUS II C45 MC257
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