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alien
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Post subject: Re: MUSE/HI-VISION to BD/HD-DVD/AVC-DVD Project Posted: 27 Aug 2013, 03:04 |
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Joined: 18 Apr 2012, 10:13 Posts: 814 Location: Australia Has thanked: 4 times Been thanked: 6 times
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Thanks publius and especially to you, substance. This will be a real treat for me I can tell you that much.. Also: You are right about the MUSE Hi-Vision version of Jumanji being rare and expensive, I didn't realize just how hard to come by it was either since like you said it was a late release. It doesn't surprise me that the PQ would be great on that disc not only because its a late release but also because the film is shot in such a dazzling, bright and bold way which lends well with HD in general. I know there is a Blu-Ray version available now, I do wonder how the MUSE Hi-Vision versions stacks up in comparsen, who knows maybe one day you'll get lucky and land a copy. What other MUSE Hi-Vision discs do you think you'll be picking up at some point? Because I noticed you said in a PM that you might buy another 4 or 5 more tittles..
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substance
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Post subject: Re: MUSE/HI-VISION to BD/HD-DVD/AVC-DVD Project Posted: 27 Aug 2013, 04:32 |
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Joined: 16 May 2009, 18:05 Posts: 3593 Location: California, USA Has thanked: 29 times Been thanked: 329 times
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I am hoping terminator 2, stargate, back to the future, encounters, breakfast at tiffanys, ferrari art, keith jarred, herbie hancock are the ones I really want.
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tomtastic
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Post subject: Re: MUSE/HI-VISION to BD/HD-DVD/AVC-DVD Project Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 02:15 |
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Joined: 27 Oct 2011, 08:51 Posts: 1089 Location: Wichita, KS United States Has thanked: 0 time Been thanked: 3 times
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I have the HD PVR, and for the price, I recommend it for this project. It should capture the output frame accordingly as I gather HI VISION has component outputs? The result will be in 60 frames per second, but I do not know of a way to convert the 60fps down to 24 correctly. You'd have to remove every 3rd frame then every 2nd frame or something, the result would likely be no better than leaving it at 60 fps. Or if you did a straight 24p convert it would look like slow motion. I've recorded movies off HBO in 1080i 60 and they look alright, in most cases better than the DVD, not as good as HD DVD or Blu ray though. This is going to be a hang up, unless you can get the conversion process sorted. Or just live with 1080i 60, which I think will look good enough. Most of these are on HD DVD or Blu ray now anyway.
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Post subject: Re: MUSE/HI-VISION to BD/HD-DVD/AVC-DVD Project Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 02:38 |
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Joined: 27 Oct 2011, 08:51 Posts: 1089 Location: Wichita, KS United States Has thanked: 0 time Been thanked: 3 times
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substance wrote: HD PVR2 from Hauppauge Data rates from 1mbps to 13.5mbps (This isn't really high but might just enough for MUSE) 1080i60 compatible
There is no mention of 1080p24hz. Website states up to 1080p60hz(recorded as 1080p30hz). More than sufficient. I capture component material at around 8 mb/s, I actually post process all my files down to 4.5 mb/s H264 after capture and identifying the audio tracks in mkvtoolnix. It really depends on how much data is being output too. I've noticed when capturing LD's at 720x480, it really doesn't make much difference if I have it set to 2 mb/s or 8. It still is only reading a max output of data from the player. The same is with component, which most of mine comes from Directv. I think they send it around 6-8 mbs max. Some of the pre pay movies might be higher, but cranking up the settings past 8 or 9 mb/s and I don't notice a larger file. I suspect that HI VISION would be somewhere around 6-8 mb/s as well max, possibly even less. This is just because when capturing you can't really write any additional data that isn't there to begin with. Unless you used a capture device that doesn't compress on the fly, which you'd just end up with files in the hundreds of GB's, which would take a year to process. The HD PVR 1 records at 1080i 60, this is the one that has the component hook ups right on the back. The HD PVR 2 does 1080p 60 but if I remember right, this is only with HDMI, neither do 24p, these are meant for video sources, like PS3, Xbox 360, or cable or sat. I wish they also accepted DTS, but they've yet to add that feature and probably won't. But DD 5.1 is used more on these devices anyway, especially Sat. which I use mine for or Laser Disc captures with AC3.
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msgohan
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Post subject: Re: MUSE/HI-VISION to BD/HD-DVD/AVC-DVD Project Posted: 07 Sep 2013, 08:07 |
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Joined: 15 Jan 2013, 22:44 Posts: 136 Location: Canada Has thanked: 5 times Been thanked: 1 time
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substance wrote: It can perform reverse telecine convert to 24frame correctly. No need to use a video processor for this. You can do the process manually in software to ensure it is 100% correct throughout the movie. Reverse pulldown for a regular movie isn't a complex process like actual deinterlacing anyway. What do you think of the Timeleak solution I suggested?
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rchiffelle
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Post subject: Re: MUSE/HI-VISION to BD/HD-DVD/AVC-DVD Project Posted: 08 Sep 2013, 00:48 |
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Substance sounds like a great setup, have you calibrated the NTSC video chain? I used the VE disc still frames for the grayscale and CMS adjustments. The TV is calibrated, so minor adjustments for the LD inputs are made in the receiver. I like Calman it's very intuitive. Santini is supposed to send me the MUSE Sony test disc for MUSE calibration, soon I hope. My video chain is simple: LD (any video connection) > Onkyo1009 (HDMI) > Mitsubishi 82". I use a Hauppage Colossus to capture video, but it will only do stereo or 5.1 AC3, so I'm going to have to tinker with the audio output or get a separate audio capture card, once I get serious about archiving. It seems like every capture card or PVR has limitations on the audio inputs.
Substance, once you get the MUSE setup done watch the heat from the Sony MSC (4000&3000), I've had at least one unit flake out (I figured it out from my video card overclocking days). The 3000 has a nice heat sink on the main chip, but it still hits 130F on the surface. I heat sinked most of the 4000 culprits so it runs much better now, minor artifacts after extended use only.
Honestly for the curious, MUSE is somewhere in between DVD and BD, and I'm being generous. The sound is at best 4.0 (A mode), so it really is a niche interest.
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substance
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Post subject: Re: MUSE/HI-VISION to BD/HD-DVD/AVC-DVD Project Posted: 26 Sep 2013, 04:06 |
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Joined: 16 May 2009, 18:05 Posts: 3593 Location: California, USA Has thanked: 29 times Been thanked: 329 times
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OK New HW update: My wife and I bought a new MacBook Pro 15" with retina display for her. She agreed I could use it for my project on limited bases:) This computer has much better specs than mine but most importantly it has 2 thunderbolt connections. 3rd gen i7 quad core @ 2.4ghz 8GB memory 256gb SSD Intel 4000 with 512mb + NVidia GT650M with 1GB DDR5 2 Thunderbolts @ 10 gbps 3 USB 3.0 @ 5 gbps I am going to install windows 7 via boot camp on it tomorrow but I might use the mac side for captures if SW is better. Now I can consider black magic designs intensity shuttle for thunderbolt, usb 3.0 or extreme. http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/intensityany recommendations? I want to buy a capture card ASAP so I can get the project going. I am leaning towards intensity extreme
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Post subject: Re: MUSE/HI-VISION to BD/HD-DVD/AVC-DVD Project Posted: 26 Sep 2013, 14:19 |
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substance wrote: OK New HW update: My wife and I bought a new MacBook Pro 15" with retina display for her. She agreed I could use it for my project on limited bases:) This computer has much better specs than mine but most importantly it has 2 thunderbolt connections. 3rd gen i7 quad core @ 2.4ghz 8GB memory 256gb SSD Intel 4000 with 512mb + NVidia GT650M with 1GB DDR5 2 Thunderbolts @ 10 gbps 3 USB 3.0 @ 5 gbps I am going to install windows 7 via boot camp on it tomorrow but I might use the mac side for captures if SW is better. Now I can consider black magic designs intensity shuttle for thunderbolt, usb 3.0 or extreme. http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/intensityany recommendations? I want to buy a capture card ASAP so I can get the project going. I am leaning towards intensity extreme I use the intensity shuttle/3.0, love it. But you want to make sure that these devices are compatible with your mother board, they are very particular. Another problem I see with your labtop use is the speed in which you write to a harddrive outside the operating system. Needs to be fast so as to not have any drop outs or misaligned data, thus I use internal hard drives on a PC with the latest fastest.
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