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Post subject: Re: FM radio broadcasting 1954-2017 Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 02:24 |
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According to Wikipedia, Switzerland, Denmark and Sweden are to follow within a few years. In the Netherlands (luckily) we still have analog radio besides DAB and DAB+, but i think will follow sooner or later as well as did with the analog tv a decade ago. The problem i find with the digital stuff, is that every time they change the protocol or specs, you've got buy a new tuner. Though as far as DVB T goes i still can use my DVB tuner i purchased 10 years ago. I hope that will be the same with DAB, or at least upgradeable and not letting people in the cold like with all the smart tv's that don't work with the newest youtube for example.
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Post subject: Re: FM radio broadcasting 1954-2017 Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 14:12 |
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With the digital TV, Norway opted for a bit obscure encoding standard. I still haven't seen any modern TV with built in decoder that supported the standard. Everyone who still use aerial have an external decoder.
There are already, and have been for some time, advertising campaigns promoting DAB radios. For people still insisting on using the old FM radio, there are adapters that take the DAB signal and send it out again on a fixed low-power FM frequency. I won't be changing out the radio in my car, simply because I bought an expensive model only a couple of years ago. I generally listen to MP3s in my car, but I tend to listen to the radio when driving cross-country trips (or longer trips in general) to be updated on what's going on in the traffic.
I guess the people who suffer most with the FM being closed are people who use radios in their car and industrial workers who use ear protection with built in radio. They're probably the biggest group that actually listen to radio. Many people do however use services like Spotify to stream music, even in their cars. Data over mobile networks have become fairly cheap the last couple of years. 5GB data is like 35 USD a month and free SMS, MMS and calling (within EU/EEA countries as well).
In general I don't think shutting down the FM network is that much big of a deal. Most people already use alternative solutions and will quickly adapt when FM is finally off the air.
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Post subject: Re: FM radio broadcasting 1954-2017 Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 18:56 |
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Joined: 22 Nov 2011, 18:54 Posts: 698 Location: United States Has thanked: 0 time Been thanked: 5 times
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Here in the states, AM and FM stereo are still going strong. Back in the 1980's, there was an attempt at AM stereo which did not last too long. It may still be used except my car radio has no provision for receiving it (my car was made in 2011).
Back a few years, we changed over from analog to digital TV broadcasting. While the government made money on the deal, not everyone is happy. I tried to receive the digital broadcast with the "converter" that was given away for free and had no success. Come to find out, digital TV does not work in the rural areas of the US. I even went to a website to find out if there is a digital repeater near me and there is none. What I wished is that the FCC had left one or two analog frequencies alone so that rural areas could continue to get TV.
For me, I read that DirecTV was carrying local stations. I contacted DirecTV and they sent a technician to my place. He took one look at my current satellite dish and delivered the bad news. He told me that I did not have line of sight to 2 satellites and that what I wanted could not happen. Beside being unable to get local stations off DirecTV, HDTV is also not available only SDTV.
At least, I have DVD, Laserdisc, HD-DVD and CED movies to watch.
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Post subject: Re: FM radio broadcasting 1954-2017 Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 20:57 |
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Yeah, both FM and AM are going strong here in the US. We do have Digital free, over-the-air HD radio as well as pay Satellite radio, but over-the-air analog AM/FM radio doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Currently listening to Sports Talk Radio out of Philadelphia on one of these . . . . . . 94.1 MHz!
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Post subject: Re: FM radio broadcasting 1954-2017 Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 21:39 |
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@ dumbchemist That was a very interesting read ! Thank you very much. I am very interested in both terrestrial and satellite reception. I am very surprised to hear there are parts of New York State where no terrestrial reception was possible ! I am familiar with the system DirecTV is using to distribute their local channels. They are broadcasting all local channels as local spotbeams in the Ka-Band frequency range. All the other channels are using Ku-Band transponders on a different satellite. That's why usually you have to be able to pick up 2 or even 3 satellites with a single dish in order to be able to receive all the channels. https://www.satbeams.com/satellites?norad=31862One great thing about FM radio was that you could even pick up stations from a really long distance. I can pick up one Polish radio station here in Berlin just fine and the transmitter is approximately 110 kilometres away. That's hardly possible with digital radio. I can recommend USTVnow.com. You can get an account for free and watch the local channels from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, from anywhere in the world. They even have a Roku app and it is working like a charm. The only downside is you have to get a new account every 30 days but getting a new one is very easy. The other channels cost extra. The quality is really good given it's an online stream. It's real HD but does show some macroblocking at times. It's actually funny to watch the local stations from Harrisburg as all the people in the commercials, news studio, etc., have German family names. Quite intriguing.
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Post subject: Re: FM radio broadcasting 1954-2017 Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 23:18 |
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confederate wrote: @ dumbchemist
That was a very interesting read ! Thank you very much. I am very interested in both terrestrial and satellite reception. I am very surprised to hear there are parts of New York State where no terrestrial reception was possible ! I am familiar with the system DirecTV is using to distribute their local channels. They are broadcasting all local channels as local spotbeams in the Ka-Band frequency range. All the other channels are using Ku-Band transponders on a different satellite. That's why usually you have to be able to pick up 2 or even 3 satellites with a single dish in order to be able to receive all the channels. . Actually, you need 3 satellites to pick up both local stations and HDTV. I neglected to say that I do have a C-band dish and the associated IRD. The problem with it is that it has not been used in over 15 years so it does need a tune up. Also, the company I bought the dish from disappeared some years ago leaving me without a local C-band repairman. When I bought my DirectV dish and receiver (for the paltry sum of ~$500) about 15 years ago, I took the C-band receiver out of service. Back then, I had to install the DirecTV dish and receiver myself using printed instructions as there were no DirecTV vans running around with a technician inside. (The receiver was made by Sony).
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samaron
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Post subject: Re: FM radio broadcasting 1954-2017 Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 21:25 |
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An oil change is actually 'only' just over 400 USD at the Mercedes dealer. However, changing the radio in other cars isn't exactly cheaper. The "problem" is that most modern cars (post year 2000) don't use a standard DIN player anymore, as well as a lot of functions are added to the steering wheel and such. If you want to retain a resell value to the car (or aesthetics in general), then everything needs to work as it did from the factory. A cheap dongle transmitter and half the buttons on the dashboard are useless isn't exactly attractive.
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