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 Post subject: Buying a new BD Player
PostPosted: 11 Oct 2017, 19:35 
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in europe all BD players comes region locked for Blu-ray however playing dvd's most of the BD players are unlocked covering all dvd regions 1-6.

there are shops specialized in modding BD players to play A/B/C discs at extra cost.
does anyone know a good reputable shop selling modified players in europe?
I don't want to buy from FleaBay, looks like many eBay shops have BD players that are old models.
  
 
 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 14 Oct 2017, 09:42 
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joey-buttafuoco wrote:
in europe all BD players comes region locked for Blu-ray however playing dvd's most of the BD players are unlocked covering all dvd regions 1-6.

there are shops specialized in modding BD players to play A/B/C discs at extra cost.
does anyone know a good reputable shop selling modified players in europe?
I don't want to buy from FleaBay, looks like many eBay shops have BD players that are old models.


Get yourself an OPPO player.
You can easily unlock them with a little extra kit.
Basically unplugging and exchanging a cable inside the player.
(Procedure might have changed with the newer models).
Have an OPPO since 2009, installed the unlock kit myself, works like a charm still.
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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 14 Oct 2017, 10:40 
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lons_vex wrote:
joey-buttafuoco wrote:
in europe all BD players comes region locked for Blu-ray however playing dvd's most of the BD players are unlocked covering all dvd regions 1-6.

there are shops specialized in modding BD players to play A/B/C discs at extra cost.
does anyone know a good reputable shop selling modified players in europe?
I don't want to buy from FleaBay, looks like many eBay shops have BD players that are old models.


Get yourself an OPPO player.
You can easily unlock them with a little extra kit.
Basically unplugging and exchanging a cable inside the player.
(Procedure might have changed with the newer models).
Have an OPPO since 2009, installed the unlock kit myself, works like a charm still.


yeah, Oppo seem to be a great player.
are these reliable?
I've seen there are lots of them sold on eBay.
were all Oppo players good from the early 80 - 90 series or did they get much better from the newer 100 series?

I kinda like the old Cambridge Audio Azur 650BD player.
the 650BD plays all discs formats from SACD/DVD AUDIO to HDCD
this was Cambridge final player with the added Y/C (S-video) input, later versions from 651BD -------> had the S-video input discontinued.

All my gear use S-video input which I have connected to an S-video matrix for convenient switching between sources.
Cambridge 650BD player would have been great to have when I watch dvd's through S-video.

Looks like no Cambridge came unlocked for A - B - C blu-ray discs?
  
 
 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 14 Oct 2017, 22:55 
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I don't know exact details about the Cambridge 650BD, but I remember
that some Cambridge BD Players (if not all) were re-badged OPPOs for
double the price.

My OPPO is very reliable. It runs fine since 2009.
I once needed help from the service, when the tray refused to open,
and they sent me a free service kit with manual on how to fix the issue.
This was years after official warranty had expired.

My BDP-83 can play SACD/DVD Audio and HDCD.
You'll have to research if the 90 and 100 series do that as well or not.
Happy hunting!
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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 15 Oct 2017, 19:51 
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when I find a used in mint condition player I will look for an unlocked Pioneer or an Oppo player?

so Oppo and Cambridge are manufactured at the same factory?
Is Oppo the cheaper version of Cambridge?
Maybe Cambridge is the more high end player with better A/V components than Oppo?

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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 15 Oct 2017, 22:46 
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Unlocked Pioneers are rare, because from what I understand most
Pioneers need to be modified in irreversible hardware changes to
be unlocked. Some part needs to be SMD soldered to the mainboard.

Re the OPPO vs. Cambridge thing:
It is the exact same components and parts, the only thing that Cambridge
changed is the outer case. And possibly the design of the remote.
But you should investigate that yourself, as many things change over the
years and while I was interested in OPPOs products, I was never interested
in Cambridge.
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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 16 Oct 2017, 20:04 
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Pioneer BD players sold on eBay are modified with ICOS chip.
The ICOS tune should be a serious modification not an amateur hack and solder job?

Found some Oppo players one eBay.
I have no knowledge about Oppo, but they seem to be great.

Some players like the BDP93 - BDP103 ends with prefix EU.
Other players ends with the prefix D for Darbee?
What is Darbee model?
Is it an improved and better player than regular players of Oppo?

Should I only look for a player with prefix EU or D?
Maybe it doen't matter wheter it's a model EU or model D?

Are these still official sold EU players?
  
 
 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 16 Oct 2017, 23:07 
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Darbee is an added picture enhancer, some may even call it video processor.
If you need it - I don't know. I'd suggest you get a demo somewhere close,
if that is possible. From what I understand, the players are not improved or
advanced compared to the normal model, but only have the "added" Darbee
features. Picture enhancement like stuff.

If it is important to you that your player is an official EU
model you may want to make sure with the seller before purchase. Mine is a
US import, and I never had any problem with that.

There are huge threads about OPPO players on forums that specialize on
more recent hardware, I'm sure your questions will be answered there, if
you have the patience to read hundreds of pages :)
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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 17 Oct 2017, 08:25 
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I've got a Pioneer BDP-450K which is region free, but I'm not sure if I'd recommend it. Although it does boot and load discs rather fast, there's a major issue for those using an older display. If 24p output is disabled, 24p is converted to 50p (or 50i, depending on the resolution you've selected) instead for 60p/i. This makes the player more or less useless with CRTs and such if you're into that. With a newer display, I've never encountered any issues.

I personally recently bought a Panasonic DMP-UB700 which is a phenomenal improvement over the Xbox One S for UHD-BD. And I'd easily replace my Pioneer with it if I could get region free playback for standard Blu-Rays on it. Its HDR->SDR conversion is so good however that I considered it over the Oppo UDP-203.
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 Post subject: Re: How far can an HDMI cable be?
PostPosted: 17 Oct 2017, 13:10 
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lons_vex wrote:
Darbee is an added picture enhancer, some may even call it video processor.
If you need it - I don't know. I'd suggest you get a demo somewhere close,
if that is possible. From what I understand, the players are not improved or
advanced compared to the normal model, but only have the "added" Darbee
features. Picture enhancement like stuff.

If it is important to you that your player is an official EU
model you may want to make sure with the seller before purchase. Mine is a
US import, and I never had any problem with that.

There are huge threads about OPPO players on forums that specialize on
more recent hardware, I'm sure your questions will be answered there, if
you have the patience to read hundreds of pages :)


@ lons_vex
thanks for explainng the different models.

I will have to investigate further before what to buy?

thanks again
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Buying a new BD Player
PostPosted: 30 Nov 2017, 16:23 
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85 euro BD player "or" 195 euro HDR BD player for the last Samsung HD Ready Plasma (1024x768) ??

Your opinion thanks
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 Post subject: Re: Buying a new BD Player
PostPosted: 30 Nov 2017, 20:58 
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I have the region free modded Oppo BDP-103D. Bought it two years ago. Haven't used it much lately, but I thought the picture was great and operation was silent. You will experience quality, that's for sure! :thumbup:
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 Post subject: Re: Buying a new BD Player
PostPosted: 30 Nov 2017, 21:00 
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ertoili wrote:
85 euro BD player "or" 195 euro HDR BD player for the last Samsung HD Ready Plasma (1024x768) ??

Your opinion thanks


I think future proofing yourself would be beneficial for later on. As far as performance goes, they will be equal. All BD players output the same over HDMI. The differences are loading speed(all recent ones are super fast anyway), streaming services(which oppo has none), upscaling of DVDs (if you care) and analog audio output (some have no analog sections)

Some may argue that some BD players offer better picture. This is simply due some players molesting the signal with their crap enhancements (such as true cinema, darbee, black enhancer etc). While some players allow you to disable these completely, some will still apply some enhancement even they are off in the menu. A good example is the Oppo BDP 93/95/103/105 will continue to apply a very mild noise reduction on the HDMI 1 output even at DNR OFF setting. This is due to the bug in the Marvel QDEO chip (which Marvel won't fix) on the HDMI 1 output. You can simply use the HDMI 2 output which bypasses this chip and have a pure output.
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 Post subject: Re: Buying a new BD Player
PostPosted: 01 Dec 2017, 12:16 
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Thank you but I was talking about a BD vs a HDR 4K BD for a HD Ready plasma....sorry I wrote it wrong I'm not native English speaker...:)
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 Post subject: Re: Buying a new BD Player
PostPosted: 01 Dec 2017, 12:17 
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Anyway Oppo is not a cheap brand man!

Maybe a Panasonic....
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 Post subject: Re: Buying a new BD Player
PostPosted: 01 Dec 2017, 18:11 
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As far as performance goes, they will be equal. All BD players output the same over HDMI.

As far as traditional Blu-Ray and UHD-BD with HDR playback goes, sure. But when you start getting into HDR to SDR conversion, the difference is night and day between different players. Blade Runner looked terrible when played back on the Xbox One S and being converted to SDR. The Panasonic however handled it perfectly fine.
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 Post subject: Re: Buying a new BD Player
PostPosted: 01 Dec 2017, 18:58 
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.....so as a future proof machine the Panny UHD will play BD perfectly and also a well suited BD HDR for any SD or HD tv.....nice to hear that thanks again
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 Post subject: Re: Buying a new BD Player
PostPosted: 02 Dec 2017, 14:28 
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Running the DMP-UB900 Panasonic myself. Solid picture, all connections are there , easy to make regionfree for dvd playback using a simple remote hack! NO interest in regionfree BD myself!
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 Post subject: Re: Buying a new BD Player
PostPosted: 02 Dec 2017, 14:45 
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I have a Sony UDP-X800 player that I like. I do not know how available the player is in Europe. I have personally played the following disc formats on mine: CD, VCD, DVD, BD and UHD. There are other formats it will play (i.e. 3D-BD); but, I don't have those formats.

If you are interested in a regionfree DVD and BD X800, here is one company that sells them:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiGpauWuevXAhXOYt8KHegqDXkQFghZMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.220-electronics.com%2Fsony-ubp-x800-region-free-multi-region-4k-ubd-ultra-hd-blu-ray-player.html&usg=AOvVaw0wAUsSxJ5yaghMYwvT72f4

Just a suggestion. Personally, I am not interested in non-region 1 DVD or non-region A BD players.
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 Post subject: Re: Buying a new BD Player
PostPosted: 02 Dec 2017, 14:57 
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Panasonic dmp-ub300 is cheaper and announce same picture engine.....

Yes....the Sony is available here but nissling recommended the Pannys for good SDR results on different SD and HD tv sets
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