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Post subject: Re: Picture quality scale by format Posted: 11 Mar 2018, 05:04 |
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takeshi666 wrote: signofzeta wrote: I’m not sure how you figure BR is better than HD-DVD. They are essentially the same but HD-DVD had much less annoying menues in many cases. I was gonna say that blu-ray supports a better video codec but according to wikipedia they both use the same ones - but blu-ray does have higher storage capacity and max bitrate than HD-DVD. Current bluray encoding quality puts HD-DVD to shame, so in a sense blurays of movies that were on HD-DVD may be superior, but if HD-DVD were still around there's no reason it couldn't have done the same thing. i was firmly on team HD-DVD before it croaked.
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Post subject: Re: Picture quality scale by format Posted: 11 Mar 2018, 18:31 |
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ertoili wrote: Vhs much better HiFi stereo than Beta do you agree? PQ for Beta a bit Audiowise, they were about the same if you check the specs. Both had 90db dynamic range. The major difference was in how they were implemented. Beta was able to use the existing tape heads to carry the hi-fi signal, while VHS had to include another recording head. This comparison article on the two from way back at their inception, says about the same: BETA VERSUS VHS-LISTENING FOR DIFFERENCES IN STEREO SOUND - NY Times, 1984
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Post subject: Re: Picture quality scale by format Posted: 11 Mar 2018, 22:58 |
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ertoili wrote: What about the (mpg-4 xvid) playback capabilities of the DVD player ? Can it beat the Laserdisc HiVision ? Well, easily, but that’s not a format. That’s just “whatever fits on a memory card” format.
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Post subject: Re: Picture quality scale by format Posted: 11 Mar 2018, 23:10 |
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elahrairrah wrote: ertoili wrote: Vhs much better HiFi stereo than Beta do you agree? PQ for Beta a bit Audiowise, they were about the same if you check the specs. Both had 90db dynamic range. The major difference was in how they were implemented. Beta was able to use the existing tape heads to carry the hi-fi signal, while VHS had to include another recording head. This comparison article on the two from way back at their inception, says about the same: BETA VERSUS VHS-LISTENING FOR DIFFERENCES IN STEREO SOUND - NY Times, 1984Yeah...but old articles aren’t very useful for things like this when the format changes over time, as VHS essentially did. I have a DVD recorder with a VCR in it and HDMI out and it obliterates anything VCR-wise from 1984 (until it breaks because it’s cheap 21st century plastic crap). These improvements didn’t really happen with Beta, not past the 80s anyway. You don’t really know what LD “can do” until you have Goldeneye or THX Wow! or something like that. Titanic on VHS has no Beta equal. Is there a Betamax pro deck from 1997 that one could copy Titanic onto to compare?
_________________ All about LD care, inner sleeves, shrink wrap, etc.
https://youtu.be/b3O-vHpHRpM
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Post subject: Re: Picture quality scale by format Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 05:10 |
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ertoili wrote: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_oJs8-I9WtA
Hard to say VHS vs Beta Problem is, he uses Betamax B-II mode while using VHS SP mode. Regardless of the excuses he uses for not comparing fastest speed to fastest speed (the actual real reason he HAS to use B-II is that the Beta VCR he has doesn't have B-I speed), a proper comparison is B-I to VHS SP. If you're going to use B-II speed in a comparison, the apples to apples comparison is B-II vs VHS LP since that would be 1/2 speed vs 1/2 speed. B-I Betamax beats VHS SP hands down.
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Post subject: Re: Picture quality scale by format Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 05:14 |
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signofzeta wrote: Yeah...but old articles aren’t very useful for things like this when the format changes over time, as VHS essentially did. I have a DVD recorder with a VCR in it and HDMI out and it obliterates anything VCR-wise from 1984 (until it breaks because it’s cheap 21st century plastic crap). These improvements didn’t really happen with Beta, not past the 80s anyway.
You don’t really know what LD “can do” until you have Goldeneye or THX Wow! or something like that. Titanic on VHS has no Beta equal.
Is there a Betamax pro deck from 1997 that one could copy Titanic onto to compare? I have one of the highest end consumer Betamax VCRs out there in the Sony SL-HF2100 and the Open Matte Titanic LD if you really want me to find out!
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ertoili
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Post subject: Re: Picture quality scale by format Posted: 13 Mar 2018, 20:08 |
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Yes,asian countries love the Vcd, it is a mistery OK,here we go ; CED Vcd Video 8 Video 2000 VHD Vhs -------- Beta Video Hi8 S-vhs Digital 8 mini DV ED-beta Laserdisc W-Vhs DVD Laserdisc Hi-Vision
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Post subject: Re: Picture quality scale by format Posted: 13 Mar 2018, 22:16 |
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substance wrote: The list looks very accurate. I want to point out a few things. Your ranking here is from worst to best. There are small incremental improvements between each format here however there are two that stands apart. I believe the quality difference between Laserdisc and anything prior was huge. The same type of marginal improvement re-occurred again with the HD wave that are Blu-ray and HD-DVD. D-Theater is a very close honorable mention here but it only has 96 titles under its belt. ED-Beta 1988 W-Vhs 1994 Laserdisc ....till 2000 Do you consider the LD on better scale position than W-Vhs ? You know greatest discrepancies here are on the VHS------ Beta, and HD DVD----Bluray axis.
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