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kassan
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Post subject: Best Lumagen 21x4 alternative Posted: 06 Nov 2018, 17:18 |
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hey guys
so we know those are now gone, even at curtpalme I couldn't have afforded it anyway, or maybe I couldn't justify the price tag I don't watch TV at all, my DVD/BD collection is quite limited, LDs are my main thing but I just didn't want to spend nearly 3 grands for a marvelous piece of electronics merely to use a single analog input on it
that said what do you think it's the best alternative? excluding the Crystalio II and the DVDO products the former (I used to own it, then sold it) doesn't force film mode, the latter I never liked it, way too aggressive scaling
I was thinking to get a Pioneer DVR player and use its comb filter then output the 480i signal into an older Lumagen, such as the XD or XE
will I lose much in terms of PQ?
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gypsy
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Post subject: Re: Best Lumagen 21x4 alternative Posted: 20 Nov 2018, 01:59 |
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There really isn't a good answer for this unfortunately. Everything really good is well known at this point and lots of the good old gear is impossible to find for purchase. I'd love to get an Algolith Mosquito, but I doubt I ever will. I've always been disappointed when I've tried a processor that wasn't from Lumagen or DVDO with a couple caveats. I've never tried the Crystalio II, I'm sure pretty sure it's good though, based on what everyone says. And the IA-100 does what I want it to, rotates shmups and works well with projectors. I think I just need to fix something on mine, because there is an issue now that didn't used to be there before with the DVI output.
So yeah, if you think DVDO's scaling is bad, I can't imagine liking the random crappy cheapo scalers. As far as DVRs, I'm pleased with one I got, it's way better than the Lumagen I have that I have been too lazy to calibrate. But I think it's worse than every DVDO I have.
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pbiancardi
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Post subject: Re: Best Lumagen 21x4 alternative Posted: 20 Nov 2018, 11:33 |
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signofzeta wrote: I’d recomend a new Bravia for like $1000. Plug your LD player straight into it.
I’ve never seen one of these magic boxes in action but I have seriously hard time buying that they are worth that much bread. Ten years ago, sure, but the SD stages on TVs being sold now are often pretty good.
We didn’t need a box in the 90s. Then all the TVs became monitors with horrible SD video circuitry. IMHO, with some new TVs you can go back to using nothing, such as the 2017 4K Bravia line.
I’ve never seen one of these magic machines in action but I also haven’t heard from anyone who has hooked one to a 2017 Bravia and can tell me first hand that the box was worth it so until we do I’m going with the “you’re nuts” theory on $4000 upscalers for LD.
I also watch mostly LDs. That is the problem, those of us with "magic boxes" HAVE seen them vs modern TVs and KNOW they are worth the money. And a Lumagen isn't just an "upscaler for LD", it is the central hub which powers my (2) basement projectors, handles all of my LD, DVD, Blu Ray processing, color correction (3d lut calibration), enhancement (Darbee) and scaling to 1080p or 2160p (depending on the projector). While they certainly aren't for everyone it's a bit unfair for someone who has never seen one in action to say that we are "nuts".
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sethp3d
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Post subject: Re: Best Lumagen 21x4 alternative Posted: 20 Nov 2018, 13:41 |
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pbiancardi wrote: That is the problem, those of us with "magic boxes" HAVE seen them vs modern TVs and KNOW they are worth the money. And a Lumagen isn't just an "upscaler for LD", it is the central hub which powers my (2) basement projectors, handles all of my LD, DVD, Blu Ray processing, color correction (3d lut calibration), enhancement (Darbee) and scaling to 1080p or 2160p (depending on the projector). While they certainly aren't for everyone it's a bit unfair for someone who has never seen one in action to say that we are "nuts".
And when it's time for the next TV-upgrade composite or s-video inputs might not be available.
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gypsy
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Post subject: Re: Best Lumagen 21x4 alternative Posted: 20 Nov 2018, 14:46 |
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pbiancardi wrote: That is the problem, those of us with "magic boxes" HAVE seen them vs modern TVs and KNOW they are worth the money. And a Lumagen isn't just an "upscaler for LD", it is the central hub which powers my (2) basement projectors, handles all of my LD, DVD, Blu Ray processing, color correction (3d lut calibration), enhancement (Darbee) and scaling to 1080p or 2160p (depending on the projector). While they certainly aren't for everyone it's a bit unfair for someone who has never seen one in action to say that we are "nuts". I run almost everything through my DVDO Duo in my main set-up. From what I've seen of the scaling of Lumagen, I'd love one of these newer units but I'm not buying into 4k yet.
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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: Best Lumagen 21x4 alternative Posted: 20 Nov 2018, 15:29 |
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Well to be fair you are nuts to spend 3K on a unit to watch an LD. But then again that's your deal and if it makes you happy who cares. sethp3d wrote: And when it's time for the next TV-upgrade composite or s-video inputs might not be available. You will always have Coax or Antenna and that will run anything your heart desires... Cable television will always have that, and antenna too. The Cable companies are cheap and will never change that cable.
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Post subject: Re: Best Lumagen 21x4 alternative Posted: 20 Nov 2018, 15:45 |
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rein-o wrote: You will always have Coax or Antenna and that will run anything your heart desires... Cable television will always have that, and antenna too. The Cable companies are cheap and will never change that cable. That's from a USA point of view I suppose. Soon it will be a HDMI-only world in some countries. Example in France: https://www.samsung.com/fr/tvs/the-frame-ls03/UE65LS03NAUXXC/ HDMI = 4 USB = 3 Component (Y/Pb/Pr) = None Composite (AV) = None Ethernet (LAN) = Yes Optical sound output = 1 Antenna : Terrestrial/Cable/Satellite = 1/1 (shared with Terrestrial)/1 Ex-Link (RS-232C) = 1 Wi-Fi = Yes The analog path is dying I think. Julien
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sethp3d
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Post subject: Re: Best Lumagen 21x4 alternative Posted: 20 Nov 2018, 16:19 |
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admin wrote: rein-o wrote: You will always have Coax or Antenna and that will run anything your heart desires... Cable television will always have that, and antenna too. The Cable companies are cheap and will never change that cable. That's from a USA point of view I suppose. Soon it will be a HDMI-only world in some countries. Example in France: https://www.samsung.com/fr/tvs/the-frame-ls03/UE65LS03NAUXXC/ HDMI = 4 USB = 3 Component (Y/Pb/Pr) = None Composite (AV) = None Ethernet (LAN) = Yes Optical sound output = 1 Antenna : Terrestrial/Cable/Satellite = 1/1 (shared with Terrestrial)/1 Ex-Link (RS-232C) = 1 Wi-Fi = Yes The analog path is dying I think. Julien Yep, composite, s-video etc is gone in tv's over here in Europe. I helped some guy on facebook how to hook up his VHS to his new TV. he had to use the antenna output on the VHS-player.
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kassan
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Post subject: Re: Best Lumagen 21x4 alternative Posted: 21 Nov 2018, 05:50 |
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I can't thank you enough for all your help and information this little community truly is amazing anyway, re: the CII, please do not think that I didn't like it or anything infact I found it amazing, but that issue of the inability to lock to film mode from an interlaced source it's no small thing that's why I sold it to get a Lumagen (not without some regret) also I will use a HDMI Moome card with the projector so I couldn't use the analog outputs anyway signofzeta wrote: We didn’t need a box in the 90s. well, while I agree in spirit with your post, I have to say in the 90s we all had 21" TVs, 25" max on screens that small, LDs always looked good but with, say, a 100" screen then all imperfections will come out so you need to take care of it and a good scaler is pretty much the only way to accomplish that
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pbiancardi
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Post subject: Re: Best Lumagen 21x4 alternative Posted: 21 Nov 2018, 14:23 |
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kassan wrote: anyway, re: the CII, please do not think that I didn't like it or anything infact I found it amazing, but that issue of the inability to lock to film mode from an interlaced source it's no small thing
I am kind of lost on this one? I have never had any issue with C2 film mode? You realize you can custom set the film bias right?
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