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 Post subject: Re: Squeeze LD
PostPosted: 22 Feb 2015, 21:53 
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For the moment I've only got the Pal+ LD Das Volk der Gräser, but i don't know if you can really call that squeeze,
because first 'invisible' lines have to be extracted by a decoder which then rebuilds it to an anamorphic 4:3 picture.
And that has to be stretched again to 16:9 by the tv or external processor.
I've got a Sony Pal + decoder, TVD 200, but i noticed, that without the decoder attached and the tv zoomed to 16:9 was even a tad better in picture quality.
With the decoder, the image was a bit softer and the colours were slighty a bit off or washed out.

So i guess only true full frame 4:3 squeeze ld's are arguably better, because they have got more lines compared to the same letterboxed titles and don't have to go through a torturous pal+ rebuild route.
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 Post subject: Re: Squeeze LD
PostPosted: 23 Feb 2015, 01:48 
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Good evening Svwees,

Have you ever seen the results from NTSC Squeezed transfers from Japan, for to my mind they are the ones to go for, and for a collector a must to own.

Just my own opinion of course..........I just love the Japanese way of packaging and transfers, of which cannot be beat.

I have a number of Japanese Squeezed titles and a couple more on the way.

I hope your interest in such, reveals much joy with your hard work.

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 Post subject: Re: Squeeze LD
PostPosted: 02 May 2018, 12:57 
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Firstly - apologies for resurrecting an old thread!

I've owned a DVL-909 for about 7 years now, and have slowly amassed a collection of over 200 LDs. However, I'd never managed to grab a 'squeeze' LD (a concept that has always intrigued me)

Last week i managed to get the Japanese squeeze release of 'Cliffhanger' for not too much money. Co-indcidentally, i also have the 1993 NTSC release of the film. This has made comparisons of the squeeze format really easy to do back-to-back for a given scene in the film.

I've always been less than impressed by 2.35:1 LD releases. The loss of 50% vertical resolution has always irked me. Aliasing, blurring and general loss of fidelity compared to 1.85:1 was always very noticable. Likewise, the 4:3 demos on my 'Snell and Wilcox' LD test disc blow 1.85:1 LDs out of the water. Using all 480 scan lines really does make a difference to picture quality (kinds goes without saying). I have a pan-scan version of 'Total Recall' which looks fantastic (for LD) thanks to making use all the vertical resolution LD can offer.

Back to the squeeze stuff - CliffHanger is presented in 2.35:1. Despite this, the extra resolution afforded by the squeeze formatting really does improve the image. A lot as it turns out!

Scene 4 of the NTSC 'normal' LD release of the film (introduction to the US Treasury folks - white Brinks Mat truck rolls into shot) looks bloody awful on the 1993 release. The trucks grill has artifacting/aliasing causing the straight lines of the grill to move about up and down as the truck comes into shot. As the scene pans up and away from the truck to the building, the parked cars and windows of the building all exhibit awful aliasing as the resolution miserably fails to display what it should. It's frankly terrible to watch - as are most 2.25:1 LDs that i have (same issues).

The same scene on the squeeze disc looks as good as the DVD release. Gone is all of the aliasing and blurriness. Suddenly the truck, the grill, the cars, the windows are in a much much sharper focus. No artifacts present at all. A following shot with money counting machines also look FAR superior to my original NTSC release. Far more detail is present in the image. I'd go so far as to say it's more than a 33% improvement in image quality, it really does look so much better. So much so that my gf sat and watched the first hour of the film with me, only realising is was on LD when the screen when black and the LD started to make a noise as it swapped the laser over :)

Which leads me on to asking the question: Are any of the squeeze 'films' shown in the 1.85:1 format? Because if they are, the visual quality will be another leap up from the 2.35:1 Cliffhanger squeeze release i would presume?

Also - were the squeeze releases treated to any additional mastering improvements over those original releases?

I'll see if i can post a few comparison still shots here at some point to show the increase in image quality. It's a real shame that squeeze didn't take off - it really would have given LD a jump in picture fidelity to take the fight to DVD :(
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 Post subject: Re: Squeeze LD
PostPosted: 02 May 2018, 14:46 
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andyvvc wrote:
Which leads me on to asking the question: Are any of the squeeze 'films' shown in the 1.85:1 format?


Just a few!

Fugitive, The (1993) [16904] (1.85:1)
Grumpy Old Men (1993) [16905] (1.85:1)

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 Post subject: Re: Squeeze LD
PostPosted: 02 May 2018, 16:42 
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Cheers! I already have 'The Fugitive' on normal NTSC release. Maybe that needs to be my next squeeze target :D
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 Post subject: Re: Squeeze LD
PostPosted: 18 May 2018, 08:11 
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I've gotten a little into squeeze, having picked up two discs but both were ugly as sin (Basic Instinct and Stargate).

After that, I got DTS Experience which has 4 Squeeze demos that look great, so I guess I was unlucky with the previously mentioned two movies. I've since read here that Basic Instinct is known as an ugly one.

Sorry if I'm late to the party, but can anyone speak to the PQ of Unforgiven and T2 squeeze editions? And any other squeeze editions worth it for PQ...
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