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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2018, 12:46 
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How did you get on with further testing? Is it comparable to lumagen filter? Always interesting to see the performance of a new/old bit of video processing hardware.
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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 13 Aug 2018, 19:11 
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How did you get on with further testing? Is it comparable to lumagen filter? Always interesting to see the performance of a new/old bit of video processing hardware.


The comb filter is excellent, the moving orb and 300 / 400 boxes are very similar to the Lumagen. That said I don' think it does quite as good of a job overall as the Lumagen but I think that would be asking a bit much anyway. I did talk to someone else who also gets the same AR issues but was not able to correct with a DVDO (it must not accept this resolution) so not sure this model is going to be very useful to anyone. I do have the model with s-video out coming this week to see if that solves the AR issues.
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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 13 Aug 2018, 21:59 
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I’ve ordered an MBT-XBR900L and also the MBT-MRL1 which looks like the euro version but without s-video output. I’m guessing the ideal would be to have the s-video output a combed 480i and then let a more advanced modern processor do the ADC to get decent de-interlacing and upscaling. I’ll be interested to see how the comb filter handles motion/scene changes. A good orb test can mean you get the dreaded checkerboarding. I love cranking a 3D comb to get a super sharp picture but hate the motion artefacts it can produce. This is why the lumagen is so good as it gives the best of both. Really weird resolution being output from the DVI on this unit. Hopefully I’ll have something that can read it.
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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 13 Aug 2018, 22:03 
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kencol wrote:
I’ve ordered an MBT-XBR900L and also the MBT-MRL1 which looks like the euro version but without s-video output. I’m guessing the ideal would be to have the s-video output a combed 480i and then let a more advanced modern processor do the ADC to get decent de-interlacing and upscaling. I’ll be interested to see how the comb filter handles motion/scene changes. A good orb test can mean you get the dreaded checkerboarding. I love cranking a 3D comb to get a super sharp picture but hate the motion artefacts it can produce. This is why the lumagen is so good as it gives the best of both. Really weird resolution being output from the DVI on this unit. Hopefully I’ll have something that can read it.


This thing doesn't have artifacting.
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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 13 Aug 2018, 22:19 
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How did you get on with further testing? Is it comparable to lumagen filter? Always interesting to see the performance of a new/old bit of video processing hardware.


The comb filter is excellent, the moving orb and 300 / 400 boxes are very similar to the Lumagen. That said I don' think it does quite as good of a job overall as the Lumagen but I think that would be asking a bit much anyway. I did talk to someone else who also gets the same AR issues but was not able to correct with a DVDO (it must not accept this resolution) so not sure this model is going to be very useful to anyone. I do have the model with s-video out coming this week to see if that solves the AR issues.


If what’s coming out of the s-video is screwed then it’s almost definitely a setting somewhere in the box. Nobody on earth has any use for an s-video signal that is weird and unlike the matching display the s-video isn’t meant for something that is borderline proprietary.

I’m honestly sort of hoping the s-video is messed up exactly like the DVI. That would mean these things could be fixed. I’d imagine it’s probably standard though and works fine.
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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 13 Aug 2018, 23:10 
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Makes me want to get one and try it on my 13 inch CRT to see what happens.
I'm sure there is a dip setting inside that could be adjusted.
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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 13 Aug 2018, 23:27 
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Makes me want to get one and try it on my 13 inch CRT to see what happens.
I'm sure there is a dip setting inside that could be adjusted.


I looked inside, nothing obvious.
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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 14 Aug 2018, 00:00 
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This setting is awfully cool, you can fine tune sharpness vs smoothness perfectly for your preference.

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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 14 Aug 2018, 00:43 
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Any idea if/how this thing handles PAL/NTSC?
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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 14 Aug 2018, 18:49 
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pbiancardi wrote:
This setting is awfully cool, you can fine tune sharpness vs smoothness perfectly for your preference.

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Yeah, the problem is though that you end up FING with that stuff for like a year until you figure out what you want. The same thing is on the XBR-960.
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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 14 Aug 2018, 19:08 
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pbiancardi wrote:
This setting is awfully cool, you can fine tune sharpness vs smoothness perfectly for your preference.

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Yeah, the problem is though that you end up FING with that stuff for like a year until you figure out what you want. The same thing is on the XBR-960.


I am a/b ing it and trying to match Lumagen.
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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 14 Aug 2018, 21:43 
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The 900 is outputting correct AR combed 480i over S-Video with an amazing picture. Issue with this one is no front panel controls so I can't get into the menu (nothing I program my Harmony with works).

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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 14 Aug 2018, 22:04 
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Definitely give DVD recorders a run for their money as a comb filter in front of a DVDO or similar -

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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 14 Aug 2018, 22:08 
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pbiancardi wrote:
The 900 is outputting correct AR combed 480i over S-Video with an amazing picture. Issue with this one is no front panel controls so I can't get into the menu (nothing I program my Harmony with works).

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Looks good! There doesn't appear to be an Infrared Receiver on the unit. Looks like the IR is on the TV and feeds control back via the black Display Interface cable. Does it look like any processing is added to the S-video out or is it a straight through-put? Apart from being combed of course.
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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 14 Aug 2018, 22:15 
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kencol wrote:
pbiancardi wrote:
The 900 is outputting correct AR combed 480i over S-Video with an amazing picture. Issue with this one is no front panel controls so I can't get into the menu (nothing I program my Harmony with works).

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Looks good! There doesn't appear to be an Infrared Receiver on the unit. Looks like the IR is on the TV and feeds control back via the black Display Interface cable. Does it look like any processing is added to the S-video out or is it a straight through-put? Apart from being combed of course.


That's my suspicion on the IR also. It appears to just be combed, if I switch to DVI it's processed.
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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 14 Aug 2018, 22:40 
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WOW even if this is half as good as the lumagen its 98% cheaper.
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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 14 Aug 2018, 22:42 
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Is the DVI on the 900 still outputting a weird res with right side squeezed?
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 Post subject: Re: Sony MBD-XBR950
PostPosted: 14 Aug 2018, 23:01 
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kencol wrote:
Is the DVI on the 900 still outputting a weird res with right side squeezed?


Hard to say because it's in a wide zoom or something I can't get it out of.
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