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benmbe
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Post subject: Re: Do folks here use power line conditioners? Posted: 28 Oct 2018, 12:46 |
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Good day fellow members, Yes I use a: ISCOTEC SIGMA that keeps the power very clean, although my home is a new build and the electrics for each room is separate and well earthed. I do not get any interferences from any other household appliances and it's a great place to live with great neighbours. Kind Regards to everyone
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teddanson
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Post subject: Re: Do folks here use power line conditioners? Posted: 11 Oct 2020, 18:46 |
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Unless you live in some old gaf that's lined in lead, asbestos and is directly underneath a pylon then I wouldn't bother. Sure if things were that bad you'd get the council or a contractor out to have a look at your wiring outside. Maybe rewire inside as well? Dunno, I'm not a sparky. Half that stuff peddled on AV forums and magazines et al is pure snake oil. No, those argon coated power cables made out of uranium and quadruple wrapped in a twisted Fingerite and Hazenite (two of the rarest minerals on Earth) core dipped fifty seven times in polonium will not make your signal any cleaner. My favourite is the utter pillocks who spend thousands on audiophile USB cables. It's 1's and 0's lads, come on. http://www.computeraudiodesign.com/cad-cable/For analogue connections, fair enough, there's some differences here and there. Put the money in to that, not the other rubbish. For HDMI (except for long distances), USB and so on, jog on, and take your snake oil with you. What do I use for power connections? An APC unit does it for me. Extra peace of mind, and for prolonged power cuts or funky spikes, it gives me time to start shutting things like my NAS down and so on. For the money folk spend on such muck you could have a decent holiday. Slip on over to Club Tropicana. If you're that hard up the drinks are free.
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cplusplus
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Post subject: Re: Do folks here use power line conditioners? Posted: 11 Oct 2020, 19:28 |
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teddanson wrote: No, those argon coated power cables made out of uranium and quadruple wrapped in a twisted Fingerite and Hazenite (two of the rarest minerals on Earth) core dipped fifty seven times in polonium will not make your signal any cleaner. The super expensive stuff does not make sense, but if I have an AV device with a flimsy lamp cord, I will put an $8 14AWG cord in it.
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odotb3
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Post subject: Re: Do folks here use power line conditioners? Posted: 12 Oct 2020, 12:48 |
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Joined: 27 Jul 2014, 20:59 Posts: 298 Location: North London Has thanked: 79 times Been thanked: 97 times
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I spent a lot of time looking into this as the idea of supplying my Laserdiscs players with the cleanest power seemed like a good idea, considering that it's an analog format and is susceptible to noise. What I found is that to get the ultimate in mains conditioning you have to spend thousands. Something like the Audioquest Niagra 7000 will set you back £8k. Is it really worth it at that price? One area that my research brought me to is balanced power supplies. Say you have a device that takes 240v, a balanced power supply will split that to 120v per leg, supposedly cancelling out noise because of the inverted phase. Theyre a lot cheaper but still an investment. Read more about that here.In the end I got burned out researching it and wondering if I spent the money if it would even make a difference. So I bought the cheapest possible thing. The Tacima CS947. Although I like having it, I cant say it's made a jot of difference.
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admin
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Post subject: Re: Do folks here use power line conditioners? Posted: 13 Oct 2020, 07:13 |
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jd213 wrote: Never had a single blackout, brownout, or power surge at my place in Tokyo for all the 15 years I've been here. Probably a fair point. I live in a recent condo with good infrastructure but I spent years protecting my gears in Singapore where the power could fluctuate quite a bit with micro-outages. Also a family habit to always unplug most of the electrical appliances (except for the fridge!) when leaving home for several days. I don't want to mix up plugging 100V-only and 120V-only devices. And the final target setup is to eventually rack all my gears properly. A rackable basic power strip with protection sounds good to me. The used market for FURMAN in Tokyo seems quite decent. I see a lot of gears used in music studios, outdoor racks, etc. where they needed clean power out of generators or a very noisy environment (bar, club) for both Japanese (100V) and American (120V) devices. That makes sense. This page has a good summary table for Furman: https://www.itb-onlinemixing.com/blog/the-best-power-conditioners-for-audioSelling used on these units (few buyers) seem to command big discounts. I'll set myself a $50 limit for each (100V and 120V) models and see what I can get. That could translate into a PL-PLUSJ (100V) and a PL-PLUS (120V) for $100 both, not too bad. Julien
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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: Do folks here use power line conditioners? Posted: 13 Oct 2020, 14:56 |
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jd213 wrote: Never had a single blackout, brownout, or power surge at my place in Tokyo for all the 15 years I've been here. Wow, I've had all of that in every place I've ever lived in 3 different states in America and multiple locations in each state. NYC even.
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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: Do folks here use power line conditioners? Posted: 13 Oct 2020, 16:37 |
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When it comes to surge suppression and protecting gear I think obviously that’s helpful. Everyone has lost something at some point, probably an early 80s TV.
But when I hear about this “conditioning” I sorta laugh. I mean, is there anyone who is BOTH a) able to explain what “conditioning” is in normal technical terms and b) recommending they be used? I’ve never seen that.
I know the basic thing that’s being thought...that all that chroma noise in my S201 may be reduced with lab perfect power. I just don’t think it’s realistic as with an LD player there is a TON of noise being generated by the player itself.
And how does a conditioner actually condition? Is it like a massive massive cap and a variable frequency drive so that it can generate a new %100 perfect AC wave form? If not, I don’t really see how you can “condition” the power. A device like that would be a few thousand, most likely, if it’s not %100 reliable it can single handedly wipe out everything plugged into it. Is it like a really high speed chip that follows the wave forum and damps any peaks or valleys? Like a dynamic compressor for AC voktage? That might work but the chip would have to be really good if it’s going to be better and more reliable that the power company.
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