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Post subject: Re: My TV is dying. New screen : KURO or LGB8 ? Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 00:06 |
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rein-o wrote: The way electronics are now I feel they don't last as long.
Only option I can offer is the cheaper one if it dies fast or if you get the more expensive of the ones you are looking at look into getting it fixed.
Sony has always been an issue, but you could possibly look into a part to replace??? Sometimes this is an easy fix for a board or something on newer sets. I don't want to try to repare it for now, because if I loose my screen, I will have nothing for the next months to see movies...^^ After buying a new one I will try to fix it myself. For now Sony told me it could cost between 25000 yens and 80000 yens to repare it. Then I prefer buy a new screen. Thank you everyone for your advices ! - I will wait for 6 month for gather money. - If, during these 6 month I can find a very good condition Kuro for less than 100.000 yens, and if I can check it myself (not on internet), I will take it. - else, I will take a new screen. I will search about Panasonic also, thank you nissling. Substance, if you says that OLED is not a good idea for dithering, LCD would be better ? I am also concerned about burning on OLED, because hald of my movies are in 4/3 size...
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Post subject: Re: My TV is dying. New screen : KURO or LGB8 ? Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 00:18 |
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substance wrote: I went from Kuro to Oled due to 4K. Oled is a worthy successor but Kuro beats it in certain areas.
- motion on Kuro is worlds ahead of anything oled or lcd. I miss it dearly. I have the Sony Oled which supposedly has the best processing/motion among Oleds but it still hurts my head on pans anything fast.
And a good CRT is worlds ahead of a Kuro plasma. This is exactly what I get with all modern displays, that head hurting, jarring effect on pans. Give me CRT or give me death!
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Post subject: Re: My TV is dying. New screen : KURO or LGB8 ? Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 01:39 |
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forper wrote: Have you thought about getting into projection Mimi? That's what I'd do if I lost my CRT. Yes, I thought about it, but, I clearly don't have enough place for now... And CRT screen are too small for me...
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Post subject: Re: My TV is dying. New screen : KURO or LGB8 ? Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 06:39 |
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nissling wrote: HDR consists of so much more than just the light output. The entire EOTF is completely different from that of SDR, which on fixed pixel displays emulates the way CRT monitors operates and that is also how the Kuros operates. Also, AFAIK the Kuro is bound to BT.709 and BT.601.
Very few displays are limited to sub 100cd/m² light output from my experience. Certain Grade1 CRT monitors have a maximum light output of 70-80cd/m² (which is tolerable by the EBU standards). Guess it can also occur on very old plasmas if we're talking consumer grade products but I'm not completely sure I've seen it. Clearly.....you would need an hdr to sdr conversion. On high end setups hdr is converted to sdr to defeat the internal tone mapping of the tvs. The container would be bt.709 but the tone mapped version of the 2020 with hdr.
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Post subject: Re: My TV is dying. New screen : KURO or LGB8 ? Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 06:44 |
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forper wrote: substance wrote: I went from Kuro to Oled due to 4K. Oled is a worthy successor but Kuro beats it in certain areas.
- motion on Kuro is worlds ahead of anything oled or lcd. I miss it dearly. I have the Sony Oled which supposedly has the best processing/motion among Oleds but it still hurts my head on pans anything fast.
And a good CRT is worlds ahead of a Kuro plasma. This is exactly what I get with all modern displays, that head hurting, jarring effect on pans. Give me CRT or give me death! Crts top at 36” max. That is a bigger compromise than I can tolerate. This makes all of crts advantages null.
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Post subject: Re: My TV is dying. New screen : KURO or LGB8 ? Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 06:50 |
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mimylovesjapan wrote: rein-o wrote: The way electronics are now I feel they don't last as long.
Only option I can offer is the cheaper one if it dies fast or if you get the more expensive of the ones you are looking at look into getting it fixed.
Sony has always been an issue, but you could possibly look into a part to replace??? Sometimes this is an easy fix for a board or something on newer sets. I don't want to try to repare it for now, because if I loose my screen, I will have nothing for the next months to see movies...^^ After buying a new one I will try to fix it myself. For now Sony told me it could cost between 25000 yens and 80000 yens to repare it. Then I prefer buy a new screen. Thank you everyone for your advices ! - I will wait for 6 month for gather money. - If, during these 6 month I can find a very good condition Kuro for less than 100.000 yens, and if I can check it myself (not on internet), I will take it. - else, I will take a new screen. I will search about Panasonic also, thank you nissling. Substance, if you says that OLED is not a good idea for dithering, LCD would be better ? I am also concerned about burning on OLED, because hald of my movies are in 4/3 size... Oleds aren’t true 10 bit displays. To make the illusion they do dithering and other tricks. Some do it better some do worse. On modern material like bluray, 4k etc. it’s unnoticeable. On old stuff, it’s possible only I see it. I have yet to see anyone who is more critical than me on video. Pros are way too many. Save up your money and get an Oled. You can fix dithering with Lumagen(and many other things).
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Post subject: Re: My TV is dying. New screen : KURO or LGB8 ? Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 07:03 |
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substance wrote:
Crts top at 36” max. That is a bigger compromise than I can tolerate. This makes all of crts advantages null.
Just sit closer
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Post subject: Re: My TV is dying. New screen : KURO or LGB8 ? Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 07:51 |
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substance wrote: Oleds aren’t true 10 bit displays. To make the illusion they do dithering and other tricks. Some do it better some do worse. On modern material like bluray, 4k etc. it’s unnoticeable. On old stuff, it’s possible only I see it. I have yet to see anyone who is more critical than me on video.
Pros are way too many. Save up your money and get an Oled. You can fix dithering with Lumagen(and many other things).
OK ! Thank you substance for your advice !
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