|
It is currently 28 Apr 2024, 03:44
|
View unsolved topics | View unanswered posts
|
|
|
|
dennish
|
Post subject: Re: Is going 1st Class ($$$$) better? Posted: 23 Dec 2019, 01:54 |
Genuinely interested |
|
|
Joined: 22 Dec 2019, 15:35 Posts: 43 Location: Huntsville AL Has thanked: 0 time Been thanked: 3 times
|
rein-o wrote: I'm going with 5% Pretty much what I was thinking that more is not a huge jump forward.
_________________ Pioneer DVL-909 Laserdisc / Lexicon LDD-1 Demodulator DVDO iScan VP-50 Pro
WTB: Pioneer CLD-R7G
|
|
|
|
|
kone4
|
Post subject: Re: Is going 1st Class ($$$$) better? Posted: 23 Dec 2019, 06:24 |
Genuinely interested |
|
|
Joined: 25 Sep 2019, 00:14 Posts: 46 Location: United States Has thanked: 1 time Been thanked: 5 times
|
dennish wrote: Kone
I'm not really asking this question from a present day resell perspective. Example;
1998 Pioneer DVL-909 MSRP: $1,275.00 2019 Used $300
1997 Pioneer CLD-99 MSRP: $2,400.00 2019 Used $1.500
1995 Pioneer (Japan) HLD-XO MSRP 800,000 Yen ($7,692) 2019 Used $3,000 ??
Using the above examples how much more picture or audio quality are you buying for the additional cost? OK I see. I really don't think that much. Why? All kinds of things. Like what are you hooking it up to? A good new 4K TV Are? What kind of hookups are you using? New 4 K ones are? What it's hooked up to has a lot to do with things. And the hookups have a lot to do with things. My $100 buck 30 + year old LaserDisc player hooked up to my new 55"inch 4K TV. With good cables. And everything looks great. ( Key Word). Good hook up cables. Remember. Hookups are 50% of your system. Get good hook up cables. You will be glad you did.
|
|
|
|
|
kone4
|
Post subject: Re: Is going 1st Class ($$$$) better? Posted: 23 Dec 2019, 06:31 |
Genuinely interested |
|
|
Joined: 25 Sep 2019, 00:14 Posts: 46 Location: United States Has thanked: 1 time Been thanked: 5 times
|
kone4 wrote: dennish wrote: Kone
I'm not really asking this question from a present day resell perspective. Example;
1998 Pioneer DVL-909 MSRP: $1,275.00 2019 Used $300
1997 Pioneer CLD-99 MSRP: $2,400.00 2019 Used $1.500
1995 Pioneer (Japan) HLD-XO MSRP 800,000 Yen ($7,692) 2019 Used $3,000 ??
Using the above examples how much more picture or audio quality are you buying for the additional cost? OK I see. I really don't think that much. Why? All kinds of things. Like what are you hooking it up to? A good new 4K TV Are? What kind of hookups are you using? New 4 K ones are? What it's hooked up to has a lot to do with things. And the hookups have a lot to do with things. My $100 buck 30 + year old LaserDisc player hooked up to my new 55"inch 4K TV. With good cables. And everything looks great. ( Key Word). Good hook up cables. Remember. Hookups are 50% of your system. Get good hook up cables. You will be glad you did. P.S/ Also remember. You can only do so much with a laserdisc set up. You are taking something from 25-30 years ago. And putting it with the new stuff we have now. 4K TV etc.
|
|
|
|
|
takou
|
Post subject: Re: Is going 1st Class ($$$$) better? Posted: 25 Dec 2019, 20:26 |
True fan |
|
|
Joined: 04 Apr 2004, 18:11 Posts: 322 Location: Switzerland Has thanked: 1 time Been thanked: 8 times
|
rein-o wrote: I'm going with 5% From DVL-909 / 919 to HLD-X9, I'd say more like 20%.
|
|
|
|
|
rein-o
|
Post subject: Re: Is going 1st Class ($$$$) better? Posted: 25 Dec 2019, 20:51 |
Jedi Master |
|
|
Joined: 03 May 2004, 19:05 Posts: 8108 Location: Dullaware Has thanked: 1221 times Been thanked: 846 times
|
takou wrote: rein-o wrote: I'm going with 5% From DVL-909 / 919 to HLD-X9, I'd say more like 20%. While I've never owned any X players I have had 919, R7G, S9 and a few others, from those I've only noticed around 5 possibly if I really was in the business of selling them at the time 15% But now its hard with such a player still being in the thousands area and no parts. So will depend on how much someone wants to pay now for 20% I certainly wouldn't today, could have back in the day but not worth it now for me now.
|
|
|
|
|
kone4
|
Post subject: Re: Is going 1st Class ($$$$) better? Posted: 26 Dec 2019, 04:37 |
Genuinely interested |
|
|
Joined: 25 Sep 2019, 00:14 Posts: 46 Location: United States Has thanked: 1 time Been thanked: 5 times
|
dennish wrote: The old saying "it only cost 100% more to go first class" or "The price you forget, the quality stays with you". So is more better when buying a LD player?
I have a Pioneer DVL-909 player $300 (works great), Lexicon LDD-1 AC-3/RF Demodulator $229 and about 300 LD titles so all in so far about $1,000. I'm pushing all this through a Denon AVR-X6500H 5.2.4 receiver and Sony VPL-VW295ES 4K projector.
I watch a lot of LDs as I enjoy the format and content if for nothing else the nostalgia factor. I have been wondering if I should be looking for a better quality LD player and if I did what should I buy. That lead me to this post, does more $$ value = better picture? Better sound?
I like the Pioneer brand but am not tied to it, if I did jump up from the DVL909 what player is better and why?
Thanks Dennis
|
|
|
|
|
substance
|
Post subject: Re: Is going 1st Class ($$$$) better? Posted: 26 Dec 2019, 04:44 |
Confirmed Padawan |
|
|
Joined: 16 May 2009, 18:05 Posts: 3588 Location: California, USA Has thanked: 28 times Been thanked: 323 times
|
forper wrote: Great posts Substance. Really interesting.
So obviously your source is important but what about all the other variables that exist between it and your eye? Video processor and display.
I would argue my low-mid range Sony players to my CRT with it's own very special video processing may give a superior picture to someone with an X0 going to an LCD.
Then my DVDO VP50 adds value to the equation too (ie if your goal is the best possible playback) by being able to exactly tweak the aspect ratio.
Can we agree that that 5-15+% improvement doesn't necessarily just have to come from only the player and source. Certainly! You definitely need to find the right synergy among your equipment. My analogy treats all other variables equal. HLD-X0 would look %15 or more better than DVL-919 on the same TV. You can experiment with different equipment and improve picture but also potentially make it worse as well. Certain things like color accuracies and noise levels are measurable but other enhancements are matter of taste. You can even argue that some may find inaccurate colors more desirable therefore that is a matter of taste as well. In the end if you are happy with what you have, that’s what matters, not what I tell you is the best
_________________ Coming Soon Derman Labs Anything Of Substance
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum
|
|