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Posted: 30 Oct 2011, 12:48 

A useful list compiled by Tony Kwong ( tkmedia on LDDb) still maintained on AVSForum :

UPDATE : if the device is crossed then it has been moved to the Hardware Database. =>

Demodulators :arrow: See the Hardware Database list on AC3RF

ada RFD-1 (1c out)
B&K DT1 (1c, 1o, 1c out) [Manual]
EAD Smart Cable (demodulator on a coax cable)
JBL Synthesis RFD-1 [Manual]
Kenwood DEM-999D (1c out) [Manual]
Kenwood DEM-9991D (1c, 1o, 1c out) [Manual]
Lexicon LDD-1 (1c, 1o, 1c out) [Manual]
McIntosh RFD-2 (1c, 1o, 1c out, 1o out)
Meridian 519 (1c out, 1o out) [Manual]
Nakamichi DE-1 (1c out)
Pioneer RFD-1 (1c, 1o, 1c out, 1o out) [Japanese Manual] [Service Manual]
Sony MOD-RF1 (1c out, 1o out) [Manual] [Service Manual]
Yamaha APD-1(1c out, 1o out) [Japanese Manual] [English Manual] [Service Manual]
Yamaha APD-2(1c out, 1o out) [Japanese Manual]

Processor :arrow: See the Hardware Database list on AC3 and DTS

ADCOM GDD-1 (2c in, 1o in, 5.1out, 5.1in, db25 5.1 out) [Manual]
Angstrom Director 200
Angstrom 195
Chiro C-5.1 (1o, 1c, db25 5.1 out)
Denon AVD-2000 (2c, 2o, 1o out, 5.1out, 5.1in) [Manual]
Harman Kardon ADP-303 (1c, 1o, 5.1out, 5.1in) [Manual]
JVVC AC-3 Decoder Prototype
Marantz DP-870 (1c, 1o, 5.1out, 5.1in) [Manual]
McIntosh MAC-3 (4c, 4o, 4c out, 4o out, 5.1 out) [Manual]
McIntosh MSD4 (4c, 4o, 5.1out, 2ch in) [Manual]
Onkyo ED-901 (1c/1o, db25 5.1out) [Manual]
Parasound P/DD 1500 (1c, 1o, db25 5.1out, 2ch) [Manual]
Parasound P/DD 1550 (1c, 1o, db25 5.1out, 2ch) [Manual]
Pioneer Elite SP-99D (1c, 1o, LineIn1 L/R, LineIn2 L/R/C/R for ProLogic, 5.1out=L/R/C mono x2/L/R/LFE mono x2)
Pioneer Elite SP-D07 (1c, 1o, LineIn1 L/R, LineIn2 L/R/C/R for ProLogic, 5.1out=L/R/C mono x2/L/R/LFE mono x2)
Pioneer SP-D07 (1c, 1o, LineIn1 L/R, LineIn2 L/R/C/R for ProLogic, 5.1out=L/R/C mono x2/L/R/LFE mono x2)
Rotel RDA 980 (2c, 5.1 out, db25 5.1in) [Manual]
Sony SDP-EP9ES (1c, 3o, 1o out, 5.1out, 5.1in) [Manual]
Sony SDP-EP90ES (same as above unit but with MPEG audio decoding for EU)
Sony SDP-E800 (1c, 3o, 1o out, 5.1 out) [Manual]
Yamaha DDP-1 (1c, 1o, 5.1out) [Manual]

Preamp :arrow: See the Hardware Database list on Preamp
Adcom GTP-740 (4c, 1o)
Adcom GTP-750 (4c, 1o)
B&K AVP 1030 (5c)
Denon AVP-8000 (2c, 3o, 1o out)
Denon AVP-8000DTS (2c, 3o, 1o out)
Denon AVP-A1 (2c, 3o, 1o out, 5.1 in
Integra RDC-7 (5c, 3o, 1c out, 1o out)
Kenwood KC-Z1 (4o, 4o, 1c out, 1o out)
Krell Audio+Video Standard
Marantz AV-550 (1c, 1o)
Marantz AV9000 (2c, 2o, 1c out, 1o out)
Sherwood Newcastle AVP-9080 (1c, 1o)
Sony TA-E9000ES (3c, 5o, 1o out)
Theta Casablanca (AUX Digital input card, 2 AC-3 RF inputs)
Theta Casablanca II (AUX Digital input card, 2 AC-3 RF inputs)

AV receiver/integrated amp :arrow: See the Hardware Database list on A/V Receiver
Denon AVC-A1 (1c, 3o, , 1o out, 5.1in)
Denon AVC-A1D (3c, 5o, 1o out)
Denon AVC-A1SE (3c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Denon AVC-A1SE upgrade (5c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Denon AVC-A1SR (5c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Denon AVC-A1SRA (5c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Denon AVC-A10SE (3c, 5o, 1o out)
Denon AVR-3200 (1c, 1o, 5.1in)
Denon AVR-3600 (1c, 1o)
Denon AVR-3600DTS (1c, 1o)
Denon AVR-5600 (1c, 3o, 1o out)
Denon AVR-5700 (3c, 5o, 1o out 7.1in)
Denon AVR-5800 (3c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Denon AVR-5800 upgrade (5c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Denon AVR-5803 (5c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Denon AVR-5803A (5c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Harman Kardon AVR-55 (1c, 1o)
Harman Kardon AVR-75 (1c, 1o)
Harman Kardon AVR-85 (1c, 1o)
Integra DTR-9.1 (5c, 3o, 1c, db25 7.1 in) (I believe this is only db25 5.1 in)
Kenwood KRV-990D
Marantz SR-14 (2c, 2o, 1c out, 1o out, 5.1 in)
Marantz SR-14EX (2c, 3o, 1c out, 1o out)
Marantz SR-14mkII (2c, 3o, 1c out, 1o out)
Marantz SR-18 (2c, 2o, 1o out, 1c out)
Marantz SR-580 (1c, 1o)
Marantz SR-680
Marantz SR-780 (1c, 1o)
Marantz SR-880 (1c, 1o)
Nakamichi IA-Tz
Onkyo TX-DS838 (1c, 1o)
Onkyo TX-DS939 (1c, 2o)
Onkyo TX-DS989 (5c, 3o, 1c out, 1o out, db25 7.1 in) (I believe this is only db25 5.1 in)
Onkyo TX-DS989v2 (5c, 3o, 1c out, 1o out, db25 7.1 in) (I believe this is only db25 5.1 in)
Pioneer SC-LX90
Pioneer SC-09TX
Pioneer VSA-AX10 (3c, 4o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-AX10Ai (3c, 3o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-AX10i (3c, 4o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-AX10i-N (3c, 4o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-AX5i (2c, 2o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-AX5i-N (2c, 2o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-AX5Ai-N (2c, 202o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-AX8 (2c, 3o, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-D10EX (2c, 3o)
Pioneer VSA-D10TX (2c, 2o, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSA-D2011-N (2c, 2o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-D7 (2c, 1o)
Pioneer VSA-D7EX (2c, 3o, 1o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-D8EX (2c, 3o, 2o out, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSA-D8TX (2c, 2o, 2o out, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSA-D9TX (2c, 1o)
Pioneer VSA-E06 (2c, 1o)
Pioneer VSA-E07 (2c, 2o, 1o out, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSA-E08 (2c, 3o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSX-05TX (2c, 1o) I can't find it anywhere!
Pioneer VSX-07TX
Pioneer VSX-09TX (2c, 1o)
Pioneer VSX-27TX (2c, 2o, 1o out)
Pioneer VSX-29TX (2c, 3o, 1o out, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSX-37TX (2c, 3o, 2o out, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSX-39TX (2c, 3o, 2o out, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSX-47TX (2c, 3o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSX-49TX (3c, 4o, 2o out)
Pioneer VSX-49TX upgrade (3c, 4o, 2o out)
Pioneer VSX-49TXi (3c, 4o, 2o out)
Pioneer VSX-59TXi (3c, 3o, 2o out)
Pioneer VSX-859RDS (2c, 3o, 2o out, 7.1 in)
Pioneer VSX-908RDS (2c, 2o, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSX-909
Pioneer VSX-909RDS (2c, 3o, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSX-99 (1c)
Pioneer VSX-D3S (1c)
Pioneer VSX-D606S
Pioneer VSX-D906S (2c, 1o)
Pioneer VSX-D99
Pioneer VSX-V555 (1c)
Sherwood Newcastle R-925RDS (1c, 1o)
Sherwood Newcastle R-945 (1c, 1o)
Sherwood Newcastle R-945mkII (1c, 1o)
Sherwood Newcastle R-945RDS (1c, 1o)
Sony STR-DA80 ES (1c, 4o, 1o out)
Sony STR-DA90 ES
Sony STR-DE915 (2o, 2o out)
Sony STR-DE1015G
Teac AG-D9100 (1c, 1o) (I don't think this one has AC3RF input)
Toshiba XB-1507 (1c, 1o)
Toshiba XB-2000 (1c, 1o)
Yamaha DSP-A1 (3c, 5o, 1o out, 5.1in)
Yamaha DSP-A2 (1c, 4o, 1o out, 5.1in)
Yamaha DSP-AZ1 (3c, 7o, 3o out, 5.1in)
Yamaha DSP-A3090 (1c, 5o, 1o out)
Yamaha DSP-Z9 (3c, 8o, 3o out)
Yamaha RX-V1 (3c, 7o, 1o out, 5.1in)
Yamaha RX-V1GL (3c, 7o, 1o out, 5.1in) I can't find it anywhere!
Yamaha RX-V1000 (2c, 4o, 2o out, 5.1in) (NOTE: RDS MODEL DOES NOT HAVE AC-3RF)
Yamaha RX-V3000 (not all models have AC-3RF)(2c, 5o, 2o out, 5.1in) (NOTE: RDS MODEL DOES NOT HAVE AC-3RF)
Yamaha RX-V3000GL (not all models have AC-3RF)(2c, 5o, 2o out, 5.1in) I can't find it anywhere!
Yamaha RX-Z1 (3c, 7o, 3o out, 5.1in)
Yamaha RX-Z9 (5c, 8o, 3o out, 7.1in)

Audionet MAPV2 (optional internal AC-3 Demod)
Classe SSP-25 Processor
Madrigal Proceed AVP Audio Video Preamp(optional internal AC-3 Demod)
Madrigal Proceed AVP2 Audio Video Preamp(optional internal AC-3 Demod)
Madrigal Proceed PDS Digital Surround Decoder(optional internal AC-3 Demod)
Parasound RFD-1 demodulator ("For Use Only With Parasound AVC-2500 or AVC-2500u")
Theta Casa Nova (optional RF demodulator)
Linn 5103 (4c, 1o)

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 Post subject: Re: Squeeze LD
Posted: 14 Nov 2011, 22:35 

Let's be clear on the basic math here.

If you letterbox a 16:9 image into a 4:3 video frame, which is the conventional way to do it, you are only using 360 of the 480 visible scan lines of NTSC. If you zoom in on that letterboxed image, to fill the screen of a display with a 16:9 native ratio, you still only have 360 "real" lines of resolution, even if the display has 480, 720, 1080, or some other number of scan lines. If, on the other hand, you "squeeze" the 16:9 image, that is, use all 480 lines, then you obviously have more vertical resolution available.

As far as horizontal resolution is concerned, the nominal bandwidth of broadcast NTSC is 4.25 MHz, which corresponds to about 425 resolvable elements across the width of the screen. In 4:3 aspect ratio, this means about 320 elements per picture height ; in 16:9 aspect ratio, it gives only about 240 resolvable elements per picture height. (Reducing the horizontal resolution compared to the vertical resolution is justified, in line-scanned & especially interlaced displays, by something called the "Kell Factor" which relates to the fact that the image is continuous in one direction & discontinuous in the other.) Now, some LDs have a wider video bandwidth, but typically most of the other equipment in the production chain was designed to work within the 4.25 MHz envelope, so the degree of improvement there is limited, & the 2/R analog audio carrier had a nasty tendency to interfere with the video. I believe the HLD-X0 demo disc is an example of a wide-band LD with only digital audio.

The fact to observe, however, is that whether you are zooming a letterboxed image or displaying a squeeze image at its proper ratio, either way you have the same ~240 elements per picture height to play with. Hence the squeeze image has, as we would have expected, a higher total resolution. This is the exact same math which applies to DVDs, although the DVD has an allowable video bandwidth of about 5 MHz, making for about 500 elements across the width of the screen, or 280 per screen height in widescreen mode.

Now, given a fixed resolution, does a larger image or a smaller one look sharper? The smaller one, of course. But, on the other hand, due to the phenomenon of finite visual acuity, that perceived sharpness is bought at the expense of being able to resolve visible detail.

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Posted: 18 Nov 2011, 05:32 

Laserdisc in the Simpsons.
Here from the 14th season box set on DVD (Europe/PAL)

As always, a very nice touch :lol:


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Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 20:19 

Since no one has posted a picture from Back to the future, here it is.

[Reveal] Spoiler:

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Posted: 04 May 2013, 15:54 

I can see that many people have a few Spaghetti Westerns in their laserdisc collections - the most popular being:
Fistful of Dollars, A (1964) [ML101796]
For A Few Dollars More (1965) [ML102226]
Good, the Bad and the Ugly, The (1966) [ML101739]

I just thought I'd start a thread on the subject as I feel there are other great Spaghetti Westerns available on laserdisc which rarely ever get a mention and many are not even listed as being present in people's collections.

First a superb set of 5 Italian westerns released by Columbia Video Discs in 1985 which were only released in Japan:
Days of Vengeance (1966) (Uncut) [98C59-6064]
Tierra Brava (1969) [98C59-6065]
Django (1966) [98C59-6066]
Massacre Time (1966) [98C59-6067]
Per Pochi Dollari Ancora (1966) [98C59-6068]

All of these are tough to find these days. I had acquired a decent used copy of Massacre Time a few years ago, but hit it lucky recently when I picked up the other 4 all sealed and in pristine condition:

Another set of 5 Spaghetti westerns that was issued by publisher Bandai / Emotion in 1996 consists of:
My Name is Nobody (1973) [BELL-900]
Django, Kill! (If You Live Shoot) (1967) [BELL-901]
Vamos a matar, companeros (1970) [BELL-902]
Great Silence, The (1968) [BELL-903]
J & S: Criminal Story of an Outlaw Couple (1972) [BELL-904]

These are much easier to obtain but worthy of tracking down still:

Then of course there are the two Trinity movies starring Terence Hill & Bud Spencer as well as the epic 'Once Upon a Time In the West' and less well known but still excellent 'A Bullet for the General'.
They Call Me Trinity (1971) [20205]
Trinity is Still My Name (1972) [20215]
Once Upon a Time in the West (1968) [LV6830-2WS]
Bullet For the General, A (1967) [SF047-1772]

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Posted: 18 Aug 2013, 04:29 

Special Chapter:

In this chapter historically significant Laserdiscs are listed. They may be available on other formats but they first appeared on Laserdisc with a signifying technology or mastering method.

Abyss, The: Special Edition (1989) (Uncut) [1988-85] First THX labeled LD. Some earlier test titles exist but this LD is the first one with THX Laserdisc seal.
Bringing Out the Dead (1999) [LV335643-WS] Last LD released in the US(25 days after Sleepy Hollow)
Cell, The (2000) (Uncut) [PILF-2868] Very last English audio LD ever. 109min uncut version exist in R2/NTSC Japanese DVD.
Citizen Kane: Special Edition #1 # (1941) [CC101] Criterion Spine#1 and the very first special edition in home video
Clear and Present Danger (1994) [LV 32463-2WS] Very first AC-3 track on any home video format.
Batman Forever (1995) [NJWSL-13666] First Ac-3 LD in home video
Elton John: In Concert at Edinburgh [74-001] LD exclusive. First Pop music Laserdisc.
Fellini's Casanova (1976) [15-004] Opening credits are letterboxed at 1.77:1, making it the very first widescreen home video title.
Jaws (1975) [12-001] Very first Discovision title.
Jurassic Park (1993) [43115] Very first DTS track on any home video format.
Manhattan (1979) [ML100469] The very first letterboxed Laserdisc(entire movie) CED version is the very first Letterboxed title in home video history.
Schlafes Bruder (1995) [0004] Only SQZ LD with DTS audio(Full feature).
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace (1999) [PILF-2830] Very first Dolby Digital EX (AC-3 5.1 with matrixed rear center)soundtrack on any home video.
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) [PILF-2187] First Squeeze/Anamorphic LD(according to catalog number)
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) [PILF-2555] Only THX Squeeze LD. Last anamorphic title.
Tokyo Raiders (2000) [PILF-2870] Very Last LD pressed ever.

Chapter 1: Star Wars

Earlier CBS/FOX editions(CLV) are very close to theatrical cut. Early "A New Hope" pressings suffer shrinking aspect ratio. Aspect ratio gets wider as film progresses. Later Technidisc pressings are from a different master and free from this defect. they reportedly have less DVNR but has higher cross-talk levels.

Star Wars: A New Hope (FOX) (1977) [1130-85]
Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back (1980) [1425-85]
Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (1983) [1478-85]

Special Collection(CBS/FOX) Japanese releases are the first widescreen releases. They are in CAV format in correct aspect ratio and has no DNR or EE. Much preferred by purist.

Star Wars: A New Hope (1977) [SF148-1196]
Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back (1980) [SF148-1242]
Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (1983) [SF148-1343]

Definitive Collection Laserdiscs are also very close to theatrical cut. They are in CAV format, each film is on 3 disc/6sides. Video content is similar to CBS/FOX but some dialog differs from the Definitive set. This collection has extras that are not on DVD/BD. This cut exist on GOUT DVD editions in none-anamorphic(letterboxed) with Dolby Digital 2.0(192kbps) as an extra content. Same D1 master as definitive collection was used. These DVDs are also OOP now.

Star Wars Trilogy: Definitive Collection [0693-84]

Faces editions(CLV) include short interviews at the end that are also unique to these editions. Although mastered from the same D1 master as Definitive Collection, DNR and EE are more apparent on these discs.

Star Wars: A New Hope (1977) [8763-85]
Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back (1980) [8764-85]
Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (1983) [8765-85]

Special edition set is the 1997 cut which exist only on Laserdisc. 2004 DVD release and 2012 BD releases have newer/altered cuts. Extra content on this set is also unique. Also available on VHS.

Star Wars Trilogy: Special Edition (1997) [4102985]

Special editions were pressed twice in Japan. Second pressing is much newer(11/22/2000) than the US and Japanese version and as similar to picture to US and first Japan pressings. There is a short 11min "Episode II making of" feature which is exclusive to this release.

Star Wars Trilogy: Special Edition (1997) [PILF-2860]

Lucas also altered The Phantom Menace on DVD then BD then again on 3D theatrical release. Laserdisc release is the only theatrical cut along with VHS release. VCDs with this cut exist outside the US.

Star Wars: The Phantom Menace (1999) [PILF-2830]

These below versions are PAL encoded. The first 2 are French Original Trilogy releases in THX/LBX and English audio(French imposed subtitles). The last one is the 1997 special edition in UK PAL version in English audio without subtitles. These versions represent SW Trilogy in highest resolution. PAL LD offers 625(576 visible) line vertical 440 line horizontal resolution opposed to NTSC LD's 525(480 visible) line vertical 425 line horizontal resolution. Lack of a reference quality Laserdisc player with PAL playback capability makes these releases less desirable.

Star Wars: Coffret Trilogie [168035]
Star Wars: La guerre des etoiles (1977) [113037]
Star Wars Trilogy: Special Edition (1997) [EE 1232]

Chapter 2: Godfather

1901-1980 set has all three movies merged together in one cut for TV broadcasting. It is open matte therefor in 1.33:1 aspect ratio.

Godfather Trilogy: 1901-1980 (1992) (Uncut) [LV15147-7]

1901-1959 Epic set is similar to above set but only has the first two movies mixed together. Only available in Japan.

Godfather: The Epic 1901-1959 (1990) [PILF-1147]

Chapter 3: Disney

Beauty and the Beast (1991) [1325 CS] Original Disney aspect ratio of 1.66:1 and correct color timing.
Lady and the Tramp (1955) [14673 AS] Disney made two versions of the movie. 2.35:1 aspect ratio cut is more common and available on DVD/BD. 1.33:1 open matte version is LD exclusive.
Song of the South (1946) [PILF-1096] Disney decided it is politically incorrect and never released on home video on any format in the US.

Below titles are the theatrical cuts. Disney later released these titles on DVD and BD but they are the newer cuts made in early 2000s and slightly different. LD versions have the theatrical soundtrack whereas DVD/BD versions have the newer home video mix.

Aladdin (1992) [1662 CS]
Mulan (1998) [PILA-3026]
Nightmare Before Christmas, The: Special Edition (1993) [2774 CS]
Pocahontas: Special Edition (1995) [6875 CS]
Lion King, The: Deluxe Edition (1994) [4613 CS] Has extra content different than later releases. AC-3 audio track is the theatrical mix.
Toy Story: Deluxe Edition (1995) [8847 CS] Politically incorrect content in extras(Knickknack) later altered on DVD/BD.

Chapter 4: James Cameron and Super 35

Several of James Cameron films are available in "Director's Pan & Scan Edition". These versions have the matted portions removed of the Super 35 film therefore it is possible to see more information on the bottom and top while slightly less on sides. This List will also include other notable "Pan&Scan" editions from different directors.

Abyss, The: Special Edition (1989) (Uncut) [1988-80]
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) [LD68952-2]
Terminator 2: Judgment Day: Special Edition (1991) [82997-2]
True Lies (1994) [8640-80]
Titanic (1997) [LV 334813]

Other notable Super35 films on LD:

Top Gun: Special Collection (1986) [SF120-1480]

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Posted: 18 Aug 2013, 04:29 

Chapter 5: NTSC Land

This section is dedicated for all the rest of the NTSC encoded Laserdisc releases which are significant.

12:01 (Twelve Oh One) (1993) [ID2542LI] DVD is cropped for 1.78:1. OAR is Academy ratio 1.33:1
200 Motels: Frank Zappa (1971) [ML100423] Not on DVD.
Adrenalin: Fear the Rush (1996) [ML 1002] HK LD is OAR. P&S on DVD.
Aftermath: Special Edition (1981) [RGL9623] Not on DVD.
Alamo, The (1960) (Uncut) [ML106354] This is the longest cut(Director's cut).
American Film Institute: Orson Welles (1975) [ID2010WV] All AFI Life achievement titles are LD exclusives.
American Cyborg: Steel Warrior (1994) [32120] Not on DVD/BD.
American Graffiti (1973) [42726] Unaltered theatrical version.
Alien (1979) [8760-85] The theatrical 6-track audio on AC-3 track.
A.P.E.X. (Apex) (1994) [LV20064] Not on DVD in the US.
Apocalypse, The (1996) [ID4115AP] Not on DVD.
Babylon 5: TV Pilot (1993) [NJL-12656] Different cut and music than US DVD and LD.
Babylon 5 #1.1: The Gathering (TV Pilot) (1993) [15647] Original broadcast aspect ratio. Later DVD releases are widescreen but CGI segments are cropped.
Black Mask (1996) (Uncut) [FT-038] Uncut(10mins longer)
Blacksnake: Russ Meyer (1973) [ID3480RM] Not on DVD/BD in the US. UK DVD is OOP.
Best of Roger Rabbit (1996) [5259 CS] uncensored on LD.
Blood and Sand (Sangre y Arena) (1989) (Uncut) [SWLD-3039] Uncut(24mins longer)
Braindead (1992) (Uncut) [PILF-1822] Uncut On LD
Brother from Space (Fratello dello spazio) (1988) [SF050-1553] not on DVD.
Cell, The (2000) (Uncut) [PILF-2868] Uncut(2mins longer) also exist in NTSC/R2 Japanese DVD.
Colossus: The Forbin Project/Silent Running [43128] Forbidden project is LBX on LD only
Cyborg (1989) (Uncut) [TOLE-3070] uncut on Japanese LD.
Cyborg 2 (1993) [PILF-1827] OAR on LD, P&S on DVD. OAR DVD exist in Germany.
Cyborg 3 (1994) [MGLC-94064] OAR on LD, P&S on DVD.
Boot, Das (The Boat) (1981) [PILF-7355] The longest 313 min TV version(no English audio or subtitles)
Dead Poets Society (1989) (Uncut) [7821 AS] 14mins longer TV edit cut
Delusion (1990) [90786] Not on DVD
Devil's Advocate, The (1997) [15090] The sculpture scenes is unaltered. Also has the theatrical soundtrack. Update: First batch of DVDs have the same content.
Dune: Movie + TV (1984) [PILF-7297] The TV cut is P&S. Made for TV broadcasting and it is longer. Later DVD release is widescreen but new footage is cropped.
DTS Experience (1998) [PILW-1258] Japan exclusive DTS LD.
Erik The Viking (1989) [ID7411OR] missing scenes on DVD.
Evil Dead, The (1981) [SF078-5044] OAR version with 1.33:1 and original mono soundtrack.
Fatal Attraction: Directors Series (1987) (Uncut) [LV 12881-2WS] longest cut
Fierce Creatures (1997) [43228] OAR 2.35:1, P&S on DVD.
Greed (1924) [ML101360] not on DVD.
Hawaii (1966) (Uncut) [ML101860] uncut on LD
Heavenly Creatures (1994) [4371 AS] Theatrical cut not on DVD
Innocent Blood (1992) [12570] Correct aspect ratio in cut version. German DVD also exist in uncut version.
It Came from Hollywood (1982) [LV 1421] Not on DVD/BD.
Keep, The (1983) [LV 1563-WS] LD exclusive in the US.
Last of the Mohicans, The (1992) [0896585] Theatrical cut.
Manhunter (1986) (Uncut) [411] Theatrical cut and sound mix.
Matrix, The (1999) [17665] Wachowski brothers later changed the color timing of this title to better match with the sequels green heavy color timing. LD edition is unaltered theatrical color timing.
Moon 44 (1990) [NDH-121] OAR in Japanese LD. OAR DVD exist in Denmark.
Napoleon (1927) [40086] not on DVD/BD.
Necronomicon (1993) [PILF-1951] not on DVD/BD. Also exist in US LD.
Nostradamus (1994) [ID3046OR] Korean DVD available.
Olympia I & II: Leni Riefenstahl's #338 (1938) [CC1489L] Only home version authorized by the director.
One Million Years B.C. (1966) (Uncut) [1995-85] European cut.
Patton: Special Edition (1970) [0414885] The theatrical 6-track audio on AC-3 track.
Ransom (1996) (Uncut) [8295 AS] Extended uncut version.
Ransom (1996) (Uncut) [PILF-2680] Japan exclusive DTS LD with extended uncut version.
Runestone, The (1990) [LD 68953-WS] P&S in Region 2 DVD only
Running Man, The (1987) [PILF-7156] open matte on Japanese LD
Scream: Director's Edition (1996) (Uncut) [14797 AS] Disney acquired Dimension Home Video after this release. Disney by policy will NOT release this title in unrated version(NC-17 cut).
Screamers (1995) [MGLC-97086] The Japanese release is widescreen. Also exist on DVD in widescreen in Europe.
Sidekicks (1992) [53606] Not on DVD.
Slipstream (1989) [SF047-1653] Only widescreen version available.
Strange Days (1995) [0893984] DVD is letterboxed/AC-3. LD is Letterboxed/DTS. BD exist in Germany (region B locked)
Solar Crisis (1990) [LDCVM5683WS] 1:78:1 aspect ratio where as OAR is 2:35:1. DVD version is 1.33:1. No BD as of yet.
Supernaturals, The (1986) [EHL-1095] Not on DVD/BD
Suspiria (1977) [ID6900MN] original soundtrack
Star Trek I: The Motion Picture (1979) (Uncut) [LV 8858-2A] Longer version in TV broadcast aspect ratio. Later DVD is longer but a different cut(also widescreen).
Tekwar: The Original Movie (1994) [41850] not on DVD/BD.
THX 1138 (1971) [11162] Unaltered theatrical cut.
True Lies (1994) [0864084] DVD is letterboxed and AC-3 only. Also exist D-theater tape with 1080i and full-bitrate DTS.
Twilight of the Cockroaches (1987) [LVD9201] Not on DVD
Twin Peaks: Pilot (European Cut) (1989) [NJL-35205] Longer European cut.
Until the End of the World (Bis ans Ende der Welt) (1991) (Uncut) [PILF-7271] Not on US DVD. Only uncut edition(181min) available in home video. Director's Cut(280min) is available on Italian DVD. US LD is 151min.
Vindicator, The (1986) [SF078-5197] Not on R1 DVD.
Wallace & Gromit: Collection [0610680] original soundtrack
Who Framed Roger Rabbit (1988) [940 CS] Famous Jessica Rabbit exposed scene on CAV version.
Wonderful World of The Brothers Grimm, The (1962) [ML102427] not on DVD.
Wyatt Earp: Special Expanded Edition (1994) (Uncut) [13921] longest cut only on LD
Young Indiana Jones Chronicles (1992) (Uncut) [PCLP-00418] Uncut as originally broadcasted.

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Posted: 18 Aug 2013, 04:29 

Chapter 6: Your Best Pal

This section is dedicated for PAL encoded Laserdiscs which are significant.

Conan the Barbarian (1982) [EE 1051] Different shorter cut.
Hard Boiled (1992) (Uncut) [EE 1015] Uncut version which is longer than the Criterion version by 3.5 minutes. It has the usual %4 PAL speed up.
Fortress (1993) (Uncut) [LD 14362] Uncut with 2 extra scenes. Exist in R2 DVD.
Mr. Bean 1 & 2 [VCLD 6354] As close as it gets to the original PAL broadcasts.
Psycho (1960) [PLFGB 36001] Rare German release with English audio. It is UK cut version.
Running Man, The (1987) (Uncut) [NF 24606A-LD] Uncut only on German PAL LD.
Screamers (1995) [EE 1116] In OAR. Also exist in NTSC-J LD and R2 DVD.
The Best of Benny Hill: vol.1 (1982) [90 6203 5] As close as it gets to the original PAL broadcast.
Shining, The (1980) [6107913] Shorter European cut in open matte.

Chapter 7: No More Criterions

Here is the list of titles(by spine numbers) which are no longer released by Criterion Collection.

Citizen Kane: Special Edition #1 # (1941) [CC101]
King Kong: Special Edition #2 # (1933) [CC102]
Third Man, The #5 (1949) [CC1105L] DVD and BD releases are OOP now as well
Swing Time: Special Edition #6 (1936) [CC1106L]
High Noon: Special Edition #7 (1952) [CC1107L]
Invasion of the Body Snatchers: Special Edition #8 (1956) [CC1108L]
Magnificent Ambersons, The: Special Edition #9 (1942) [CC1109L]
Help!: The Beatles: Special Edition #16 (1965) [CC2003L]
Graduate, The: Special Edition #17 (1967) [CC1115L]
It's a Wonderful Life: Special Edition #18 (1946) [CC1112L]
Blade Runner: Special Edition #19 (1982) (Uncut) [CC1120L]
Hard Day's Night, A: The Beatles: Special Edition #20 (1964) [CC1113L]
Mr. Hulot's Holiday: Jacques Tati's #21 (1953) [CC1119L] DVD is OOP
Sabotage: Alfred Hitchcock's #22 (1936) [CC1117L]
Secret Agent: Alfred Hitchcock's #23 (1936) [CC1118L]
Young and Innocent #24 (1937) [CC1116L]
Grand Illusion, The: Special Edition #25 (1937) [CC1114L] DVD is OOP
Asphalt Jungle, The #26 (1950) [CC1126L]
Forbidden Games #30 (1952) [CC1130L] DVD is OOP
Night at the Opera, A: Special Edition #31 (1935) [CC1131L]
Scaramouche: Special Edition #32 (1952) [CC1132L]
Pygmalion #33 (1938) [CC1133L] DVD is OOP
Fellini Satyricon: Special Edition #35 (1969) [CC1135L]
Producers, The #36 (1968) [CC1136L]
Princess Bride, The #40 (1987) [CC1140L]
Show Boat: Special Edition #44 (1936) [CC1144L]
North by Northwest: Special Edition #45 (1959) [CC1145L]

Chapter 8: Music/Concert Exclusives

Andrea Bocelli: A Night in Tuscany (1998) [PHLP-5001] missing tracks on DVD
Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe: An Evening of Yes Music Plus (1989) [ID3026GI] 3 Extra Tracks on LD
Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe: An Evening of Yes Music Plus (1989) [VALJ-3395~6] Another unique audio edit
Hard Day's Night, A (1964) [MP 1064D] Original mono mix
The Beatles: Let It Be (1970) [4508-80] Not on DVD/BD.
Elton John: In Concert at Edinburgh [74-001] LD exclusive. First Pop music Laserdisc.
Elton John: In Central Park (1980) (Uncut) [MP026-25DO] not on DVD
King Crimson: Three of a Perfect Pair - Live in Japan (1984) [SM037-3322] bonus track is LD exclusive
King Crimson: Live in Japan (1995) [PCLP-00620] original mix later remixed on DVD release
Prince: Lovesexy Live (1988) [080 844 1] not on DVD.
Rush: A Show of Hands (1989) [080 574-1] original soundtrack later remixed on DVD
Rush: Grace Under Pressure (1985) [080 103-1] original soundtrack later remixed on DVD
Rush: Exit... Stage Left (1981) [791 558-1] original soundtrack later remixed on DVD
Yes: 9012 Live (1985) [VAL-3013] Original Stereo soundtrack in Digital

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Posted: 22 Aug 2013, 20:12 

HI-VISION/MUSE Laserdiscs have been around for decades but only a few dozen people have seen them in action in real life. Since the arrival of my MUSE decoder, my personal home theater setup is one of those privileged systems with this capability. Before I completed my Hi-Vision Setup, I always wondered what MUSE LD looked like. I am sure there is many out there who is as curious as I was. I want to help my fellow members. I decided to build a capturing setup so I can transfer MUSE LDs onto Blu-ray disc or similar media. I am not looking to profit from this project nor I am planning to dedicate the rest of my life making copies to everyone. So this will be a limited quantity project only to those who contributed and for now exclusive to members. Once I have copies and you get one, you are free to make extra copies for your friends.

Current Status

First test capture is complete (2/5/2016)
Custom Capture PC being built (5/19/2017)

Dropbox link to Jurassic Park HiVision LD capture file

Below is the list of my current setup(only LD related part)

Laserdisc transport/player:
-Pioneer HLD-X0
-Pioneer HLD-X9

Muse decoder:
-Sony MSC-4000

Video Processors:
-Lumagen Radiance Pro 4449
-Lumagen Radiance 2144
-Algolith Mosquito HDMI

-Pioneer BDR-XD04 external Blu-ray disc burner with BDXL capability(4 layer 100GB discs)
-Toshiba SD-L912A internal HD-DVD disc burner placed inside enclosure to be used as external.

-Black Magic Design Media Express

Calibration Gear:
-Calman 5 Enthusiast
-SpectraCal C6-HDR
-X-Rite i1 Pro 2 (Enhanced) Spectroradiometer

Custom Capture PC
LG 27UD69P-W 4K Monitor (%99 sRGB)
Intel i7-7700k CPU (Overclocked)
Asus Tuf Z270 Mark 1 Motherboard
MSI/Corsair GeForce GTX 1080 Sea Hawk X GPU (Overclocked)
Corsair Dominator Platinum 4x16GB DDR4 (Overclocked)
Samsung 960Pro M.2 NVME SSD 2x1TB in Raid0 Main Storage
Black Magic Design Intensity Pro 4K PCIe Capture Card

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Posted: 11 May 2014, 23:09 

I have the Hi-Vision MUSE LaserDisc of Lawrence of Arabia and it has the reel change marks too - while not up to Blu-ray standards, its a beautiful transfer of the restoration with excellent MUSE encoding - it really gives the 'feel' of watching actual film. The 4-channel discrete audio sounds wonderful too although, like most films from that time, the surround track isn't used much - if you want more surrounds you need to switch to the PCM Dolby Stereo track, which should be the same as the Criterion edition since the 2-channel PCM tracks were encoded in the same way (and in the same spectrum) on both regular LaserDisc's and on MUSE discs.

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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc vs DVD
Posted: 08 Jul 2014, 03:51 

Ld and dvd are both 480i vertical resolution. Dvd has over 500 lines or horizontal resolution and Ld has 425 (theoretical) lines of horizontal resolution.

Dvd has 240 lines of chroma resolution in alternative lines (4:2:0 sampling) that is 4 bit of Cb and Cr (chroma)on every other line where as 8 bit Y (Luma) on all lines.

Ld has 120 lines of chroma at best. Most older pressing (pre-superNTSC) have half of that and 2D comb filters can only retract limited Chroma from the composite signal. So early 1990s releases played through 3D comb filter gets 100+ lines.

Dvd is a digital medium. Its samples of discreet info. Imagine you want to draw a line in digital. In 1000 sampling you draw 1000 dots next to each other. In 100 sampling you draw the same line (same length) with 100 dots. If you draw your line high enough number of dots you might create one straight line without breaks.

Ld is an analog format. Its continuous time. You draw a line scratching your pen on the paper. The quality of the line depends on your pen and the paper. If its a good ball point pen and a fine paper, you will have a beautiful line. Ld can record 7mhz of continuous electrical information pet second for its video.

dvd has about 65db of signal to noise ratio. Ld is 54db on the best machine. Most average player is at around 48-50db.

dvd can be read quiet accurately and the same on most dvd players. If I tell you to draw a 1" line with 100 dots in equal spaces, you can imitate my line easily. If I ask you to draw a 1" line with a pen, your line will look like mine but if you examine closely each line is unique with different strokes. Thats why analog recording and reading differs each time and each equipment.

Dvd is compressed in mpeg-2. It has side effects like banding, pixelation on motion, mosquito noise. Ld is uncompressed and immune of these but separating luma and chroma has its own artifacts .

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Posted: 23 Nov 2014, 18:00 

Data 1 is philips cdv400. An opamp buffer at the digital audio out. That's it.

Data 2 is cld-701. No upgrades. Maybe same buffer at the digital out?

Data 3 is cld-704. No upgrades but aes digital output added. Att optical added.

Voyager (version 1) is dvl-919. New power supplies. Seperate supply for audio and video.

Voyager (version 2) is dvl-919. All above plus optional sil503/4 (dvdo) deinterlacing board, optional sdi output.

If you are curious their later dvd players like carmen and david are toshiba a300 clones. Their latest bd players are oppo bdp 83 and 93 clones with audio upgrades.

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Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 04:59 

Send me an Email to kbahr -at- I have one

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Posted: 30 Jul 2015, 09:34 

Just recently I have acquired a "Blackmagic Intensity Pro" video capture card, capable of accepting an analog-component high-definition input. I'm still struggling to make it work, but I have had at least a little success so far, with grabbing a still frame. So this is the test pattern from "The Test Disk", captured via Sony HIL-C2EX and MSC-3000.
Click for full-size version (3.3 MB .PNG)

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Posted: 27 Oct 2015, 21:24 I know I've been inactive for a while....and I came here to mostly check up to see what's happened during my long absence (plus I have a mildly related LD post to write in a little while). But I was excited to see a forum for SACD; because as an audio guy I've spent a lot of time studying the format and whatnot. I've actually authored an SACD disc a time or two using the so-called "SACD-R" format. Most of you might know this, some of you might I'm going to share what I know.

Ok, so as you probably know, SACD uses the DSD format to store it's audio; and you've probably read where it's a 2.8 mhz sampling rate. "Wow!" you might think; "that's a lot more than 44.1khz i'm using on my lousy CDs"...well calm down there Fido. There's one little thing people tend to really overlook when discussing DSD.

DSD is a 1-bit format.

So what this mean? This means that rather than storing audio using a PCM method; in which discreet samples store an integer value that correspond to a voltage; 1-bit formats store the "change" in your waveform. It's functionally similar to delta-sigma modulation; and 1-bit is also how 99% of DAC's actually convert the digital audio to analog audio. This was done becuase, back in the 80's; building a DAC that worked directly from PCM to analog was difficult; plus the technology of the era was very limited and dynamic range was crap. The term for this is "oversampling DAC". The DAC converts your PCM signal in to a 1-bit delta-sigma stream; which can be converted to analog using something as simple as a low-pass filter to remove the ultra sonics.

The way it works is you have a sawtooth wave generator that is capable of running at an insanely fast rate; and every time you trigger the generator, it switches "directions". The idea is that you basically trigger this sawtooth wave generator (which is outputting a voltage) so that the sawtooth stays "right around" the area of your analog wave form. The output would be, from an analog stand point; a representation of your audio with a super-sonic waveform superimposed on it. IT's also worth mentioning that filters can be built easier for higher rates than lower rates; so dealing with a 2.8mhz output rate means you get to use a relatively simple filter on the output. Remove the ultrasonic sawtooth from the signal; and you're left with a relatively clean analog waveform.

DSD is basically storing this 1-bit audio format on the disc rather than enumerating it to PCM like we do for CD. So what advantage is this?

Well..the main advantage is if you're storing your audio in a 1-bit format already; you don't have to convert it to a 1-bit stream; you can just send it directly to your DAC. As I mentioned; 99% of DACs on the market (basically every dac capable of more than 16-bit) use an oversampling method; storing your audio in 1-bit actually eliminates a conversion step. Part of the perceived enhanced quality is because of that; converting PCM to DSD and vise-versa is not an easy or accurate task. While you do have this advantage; there are a number of disadvantages.

For starters, even with the insanely high sampling rate; the 1-bit suffers from horrible dynamic range in general. SACD overcomes this by using noise-shaping; a chunk of inaudible ultra-sonic spectrum contains nothing but noise...basically dithering. This allows you to increase the apparent dynamic range of the recording. It's used in GIF's to make the color downsampling look better; it's also used in better PCM Editors to convert 24-bit audio to 16-bit audio without encountering quantization put enough noise somewhere where it won't be heard so that you maintain an amplitude over the quantization level.

This is why it has been said "SACD is only as efficient as 20-bit 88.2khz". Basically, just about everything above 40khz in the audio spectrum is noise. It's not that the format itself cannot respond to something that high; in fact I've seen sweeps well over 100khz in a DSD file; it's just you have way more noise than signal up at that end. Most SACD players, in reality, have a 30 to 40khz lowpass filter.

The other issue is that a lot of people seem to want to play back DSD files on their PC without having a DSD capable DAC. So you're going though a DSD->PCM step..just to go from PCM->1-bit in your DAC. It's a pretty wasteful process; and it's one of the reasons people who attempt this start to say "DSD is stupid". It is not a horrible process as long as you realize what you are doing and use good filtering; I myself have a couple of DSD recorded tracks that have been converted to high-rate PCM and enjoy them just fine.

Some players, especially multi-format players; have a lousy habit of converting the DSD to 24/88.2PCM before decoding them; adding to the mess.

Now...another small truth about SACD...things hardly ever say true DSD. One of the problems with 1-bit files is that you cannot edit them; you can do some simple stuff to them; but the usual amount of post-production done to a CD during the mastering phase cannot be done in the 1-bit domain; likewise, you cannot record sessions in 1-bit, mix in 1-bit, and export in 1-bit. There are two ways they've worked around this; one of them is using a DSD format with a higher bit-depth. However, those stations are very expensive; and there is still the issue of we live in a largely PCM world. So...they came up with something else; DXD.

So what is DXD? DXD is basically high-rate PCM; specifically, it's 24(maybe 32) bit PCM audio at a sampling rate of 352khz! Whenever you are dealing with stuff recorded in DSD; 99% of times it gets converted to DXD PCM for production. In fact, I was told by one guy that just about *every* SACD on the market; at some point in the chain; was PCM.

Whether any of this is enough to turn one off of the format depends on your personal preferences. I happen to like DSD as a format; it, in a future proof. You can take one DSD source and convert it to a higher rate PCM theory..enjoying some of the benefits of being a higher rate. There is also a slight fact that most ADC's actually capture audio to a 1-bit pulse stream before that is converted down to a PCM rate. I have seen *many* 24/192khz files that show dithering noise in the upper end of the spectrum; a tell-tale sign of conversion.

Basically, it all boils down to how many times do you want to push the audio through format conversions; and whether or not you think what the professionals are using, or even what you using; do an adequate job of it. Of course, there are higher rate 1-bit formats out there; like 5.6mhz DSD128 and I've even seen some 11.2mhz DSD256 devices floating around out there.

Now...funky facts about SACD.

SACD medium is, physically, a DVD. The main difference is that the discs incorporate pit modulation as a form of copy protection; and as a result...cannot be read by anything except a SACD player. That's why he only way to extract DSD from an SACD is using an older hacked PS3; it not only contains the drive capable of reading SACD...but the software hacks let you get the DSD audio out. But they are 4.7GB/layer, just like a DVD.

The format is actually 2.8mhz *per channel*; this means you need 5.6mbps transfer rate for a 2-channel stereo content. If you do the math, this means you need close to 15mbps to support a 5.1 stream; much higher than a DVD itself can physically transfer per second. To overcome this; there is a special lossless codec for DSD called DST (digital stream transfer); it manages to get really good compression (2.5:1 to 3:1) on the content. It's this DST stream that is decompressed in the player to obtain a 5.1 DSD stream. It is mandatory on 5.1 audio; it is optional on 2.0 mixes. Some hybrid discs use DST on stereo content, just for space constraints.

Of course, by that math; you only need 5.6mbps to store this audio; where as 24/192khz requires 9.2mbps...then again it's not really all that better than 24/96 when you take in to account the noise-shaping; which only requires 4.6mbps.

Unlike the audio CD, which is a set length; the amount of audio you can put on a SACD is only limited by how much space you have. When using DST compression; you can actually cram about 4 or 5 hours worth of music on a 4.7GB disc. As an example; Hotel California in 2.0 DSD consumes about 1.3 GB of data; after conversion to DST, it's under 600MB. But don't try to burn that to a CD-R and expect it to work; the SACD players know the difference in the mediums (or at least my Oppo does). Even when you burn your own SACD (after obtaining the software to convert to DSD, merging your DSD files in to one large one; and figuring out the authoring software), it still shows up as an invalid disc on your PC.

I think I've said just about everything I can on the subject.

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Posted: 10 Dec 2015, 02:10 

I plan to make an official video processors thread soon with pictures(hopefully captures) and explanations. For now, I can talk about the Crystalio II in brief. Most manufacturers gave up on NTSC/PAL decoding chips long ago. The latest and most advance NTSC/PAL decoders are TVP5160 from Texas Instruments(TI) around 2004 and ADV7800 from Analog Devices around 2008. These manufacturers later released system on chips (SoC) geared towards HD/4K video with NTSC/PAL support but they implemented only 2D comb filters on the composite inputs.

Both TVP5160 and ADV7800 are adaptive 3D comb filters with line TBC. Both chips require additional chips and memory to work. TVP5160 in its standard configuration can do 3D comb filter or analog noise reduction, it can't perform both. TVP5160 with 4mb flash memory can do both. Same limitations apply to ADV7800 but I don't know as much detail, it might even be a 2D comb filter in its basic configuration without flash memory. Both decoders need outboard analog to digital converters (ADC). The quality of these ADC used can vastly effect the performance.

Lumagen VisionHDQ, PMS Crystalio II(CII) VPS-3300 and VPS-3800 have the TVP5160 chip (all confirmed). CII has the comb filters registers available to user, you can make a million adjustments.

Lumagen Radiance 2124/44(confirmed), DVDO Iscan EDGE and DUO has the ADV7800 chip. I didn't open up the DVDO units and confirmed myself. I emailed their tech support and they informed me both units have the ADV7800. It is difficult to communicate with the DVDO guys, their answers are very brief and sound unsure. Lumagen on the other hand, I am in contact with the founder/CEO. Lumagen Radiance 2124 units will have the comb filter registers available to user soon via firmware(thanks to me).

480i interlaced film content comes from 24 progressive frames, so film mode de-interlacing aka 3:2 reverse pull down is rather simple process to reconstruct 24 progressive frames from 60 fields(odd or even half of the frame = 240 lines), as long as the cadence remains faithful to 3:2. In simpler explanation, when combined every two fields(out of 60) should make up 1 actual frame it was converted from(out of 24). To relate 24 frames to 60 fields, fields are repeated 3:2(cadence) ratio hence the name 3:2 pull down (i.e. odd, odd, odd, even, even, odd, odd, odd, even so on). Video content on the other hand, comes from 60 unique fields, each field do no match any other. For this, in video mode, each field is literally scaled to full 480 lines from 240 lines. The scaling algorithm differs among chips. If you are scaling stationary scenes, you can combine two subsequent fields but if there is motion, the next field will differ from one before. The chip needs to apply interpolation to avoid jaggies and inconstancies. The most difficult is the diagonal lines in the video. The chip must detect motion and adjust its scaling accordingly. In rare instances, film content loses 3:2 cadence due to film edited lousily(i.e cutting a scene on the first odd field then pasting a scene from the second even field hence creating 1:2 cadence). The video chip must be able to detect this and switch to video mode in case two matching fields do not exist in that cadence. If you watch well mastered film contents then most de-interlacers from 2003 and on will work fine but if you watch a lot of video content such as concerts, sports, music videos then you want a de-interlacer with state of the art video mode. Note: most TV shows are shot on film so film mode de-interlacing is used but CGI and composite effects are done in video. In PAL, 24 frame film is converted 50 frames using 2:2 cadence (odd, odd, even, even) and %4 speed up. Decent reverse pull down isn't possible for PAL due to speed up.

Lumagen VisionHDQ is the oldest. It uses a silicon optix sil504 chip for de-interlacing. Its one of the early generation pixel based motion adaptive de-interlacers. It will lock to 3:2 cadence and perform film mode flawlessly but its video mode is outdated by todays standards. sil504 has a decent cadence detection but Lumagen bypassed it and uses its own cadence detection in its fpga. Lumagen also bypassed its video mode and uses its own video mode on the fpga. These codes were written almost 10 years ago and since this product has been discontinued, expect no more updates. HDQ uses the Lumagen no ringing scaling which is slightly different than the current version but still very good. The latest firmware also added color management system(CMS) where you can dial in to you calibration much more precise. It only has DVI with HDCP output so no audio here.

DVDO EDGE and DUO uses the same ABT2015 SoC which does de-interlacing, scaling, enhancements and color management(DUO only). It is the latest generation from Anchor Bay Technologies(ABT). It's film and video mode are as good as it gets. Cadence detection is second to none. Scaling is the most aggressive which will cause ringing (halos around objects). Its enhancements (EE, DNR) are useless for LD and will result loss in detail. Duo has a CMS which isn't anymore advance than HDQ but it supports auto calibration if you have Calman. They can pass through 3D video (no processing) and lossless audio codecs like Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA.

Crystalio II is the most interesting and enthusiastic. It has two de-interlacer chips. Faroudja Fli2300 and Gennum VXP. You can select which one you want for SD video. Fli2300 is as old as sil504. It's film mode is like any but video mode uses Faroudja patented Diagonal Correlation De-Interlacing (DCDi). It was the best 10 years ago but there is better since then. Gennum VXP in the CII is GF9350 chip. It is the latest generation and on par with the ABT2015 and similar(HQV Realta, Marvel QDEO). It doesn't have a locked film mode (forced to stay in film mode always) but Fli2300 does, probably why CII includes both. Forced film mode is sometimes useful when you know the content comes from film but badly edited(i.e Star Wars JSC disc). It has noise reduction only and I don't recommend it for LD. It has a very complicated CMS. It has other goodies like "pip/pop(two separate any inputs shown on the same screen). It has two HDMI outputs and both can show different inputs. You can watch LD in HDMI out 1 and cable tv in HDMI out 2 thanks to dual de-interlacers. All I/o HDMI are spec 1.1 with HDCP 1.1 so no 3D video or lossless audio. It can pass and process video up to 1080p, Dolby Digital, DTS and PCM no problem. CII has a zillion adjustment in everything.

Lumagen Radiance 2124/44 uses Gennum VXP for video de-interlacing only. It is the revised GF9450 model which adds odd anime cadences (anime can have weird 6:6,7:7, 4:5 etc..) and more enhancements (mosquito noise reduction, edge enhancements). Lumagen uses its own scaling and film mode de-interlacing in its fpga. Scaling is the best there is, causes zero ringing and very fluid. It has the most sophisticated CMS. You can auto calibrate up to 4913 points in the grey scale. It can process 3D video and pass all audio codecs. It has built in Darbee Darblet video enhancement. 2144 model can upscale any input to 4k.

Jumping to CII was the biggest improvement I have seen in LD. If you hook up a couple of different DVDO units and a Faroudja and such onto two separate monitors, you would have to look hard to see small differences. When you watch the same content on CII, the change was drastic. My upgrade reason to Lumagen was the more up to date HDMI on it. To my surprise, it even improved the video a little over the CII. CII is sharper but 2144 has no dot crawl. I could see 3D to 2D changes on motion on CII, I can't notice it on 2144, its really fast. In the end, its a toss up between TVP5160 and ADV7800, you could go with either. The greatest improvement from Lumagen was its no ringing scaling which LD really needs. It's very CRT like picture on my plasma. The new noise reduction on GF9450 chip is better(not perfect still). I used another outboard processor(Algolith Mosquito HDMI) for noise reduction when I had CII in my setup.

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Posted: 22 Sep 2016, 19:22 

(Julien's edits in blue , I believe substance's list is from ?)

The DAC list now lives on and can be edited via standard updates.

Model - DAC - Digital Filter - Transport Mechanism


CLD-77 - 1 x PCM56P
CLD-79 - 1 x PD2029A
CLD-95 - 2 x AD1862N-P - SM5813AP - VWY1019
CLD-97 - 2 x SAA7350GP - SM5813AP
CLD-98 - 2 x SAA7350GP - SM5813AP
CLD-99S - 2 x PCM56P-J - SM5807EP - VWY1011
CLD-100 - LC7881 - SM5807EP
CLD-D390/D590/D790 - LC78620E
CLD-D406 - LC78620E
CLD-D501 - 1 x SAA7350
CLD-D502 - CXD2500AQ - 1 x PD2026B
CLD-D503 - LC78681E - 1 x PD2026B
CLD-D504 - 1 x PD2026B
CLD-600 - 1 x SAA7350
CLD-D702 - CXD2500AQ - 2 x SAA7350
CLD-D760 - CXD2500AQ - 2 x SAA7350
CLD-757 - 2 x SAA7350GP - PD0116A
CLD-D580 - 1 x PD2026B
CLD-900 - 1 x CX20017
CLD-919 - 2 x AD1862N-P - SM5813AP - VWY1019
CLD-D925 - 1 x TC9400F
CLD-939 - 2 x SAA7350GP - SM5813AP
CLD-950 - PD2026B
CLD-959 - 2 x SAA7350GP - SM5813AP
CLD-1070 - 1x LC7881 - SM5807EP
CLD-1400 - 2 x AD1860N
CLD-1450 - 2 x AD1860N
CLD-1500 - 2 x AD1860N - PD0050
CLD-1700 - PD2026A - CXD2500
CLD-1850 - PD2026B
CLD-1950 - PD2026B
CLD-2080 - 1 x SM5860BF - SM5840AP - VWY1019
CLD-V2400 - 1x TC9237N
CLD-2950 - PD2026B
CLD-3030 - 2 x PCM56P-J - SM5807EP
CLD-3070 - 1x LC7881
CLD-3080 - 2 x AD1860N-K VWY1019
CLD-3760KV - 1 x TC9400F
CLD-9000 - 1 x CX20017
CLD-HF9G - 2 x SAA7350GP
DVL-909 - 1 x PD2029AM
DVL-919 - 1 x PE8001A described as Pioneer re-badging of Burr-Brown PCM1716 (24-bit/96KHz, mid-range)
DVL-H9 - 1 x PD2029AM
LD-V4300D - Sanyo LC7883KM
LD-V8000 - 1 x LC7881-C
LD-S2 - 2 x PCM63P-K
LD-S9 - 2 x SAA7350GP - PD0116A
LD-X1 (not sure US or JPN) - 2 x PCM58P-K - VWY1020
HLD-X9 - 2 x PCM1702P (20-bit high-end Burr-Brown)
HLD-X0 - 2 x PCM1702P-K (20-bit high-end Burr-Brown)


MLD7020 - 2 x SAA7350GP - SM5813AP


CDV-488/487 - TDA1541A-S1
CDV-496 - TDA1541A - SAA7220P/B - TDA1542 - CDM-10
LDP600WS = 2 x SAA7312


LA-3500 - 2 x PCM61P


DX-V500 - 1 x PD2026B


LX-200PEX - 2 x PCM61P


CDV-S100 - 2 x PCM56P-J
CDV-W901 - 1 x PD2026B


HIL-C1 - 1 x CXD2561BM
HIL-C2EX - 1 x CXD2562Q

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Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 17:57 

Pioneer Laserdisc lighted sign. 24 inches wide. Metal construction with plastic cover. Light is provided by a standard florescent bulb. The end plates have holes for hanging from a ceiling or can sit on a horizontal surface.

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Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 20:13 

Pioneer promotional 8-inch (not 8 foot :D ) clock with stand. While I have a small quantity of these, I'm not brave enough to disassemble one to see if it plays or there's any video material on it.

Outer wrapper:


Clock front:

Clock rear:

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Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 22:59 

I have been getting some PMs since this thread. I need to put this out there. I am not in anyway affiliated with lumagen. I am not employed or have any commissions on sales. I am merely a user/customer myself. It is not in any way my product. I have helped Lumagen develop some features and I am a beta tester for the 4000 series pro.

I am happy to help anyone get in touch with the best contacts for a purchase and answer your questions setup the unit. Those who have exchanged PMs with me knows that I do my best to answer each question and give you unbiased opinions(even sometimes against products I sell). I have sold a few items in the past and still kept in touch answering questions about those items. Lumagen Radiance 2144 isn't something I sell though but feel free to ask away your questions. I will answer as best as I can.

I am willing to negotiate a power buy option if we have enough interest.

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Posted: 14 Jan 2017, 07:54 

I got a set of these rare service LD's off eBay a while back, and I finished encoding and posting them on YouTube tonight. The useful S104 video service guide is also in this playlist...

There are some good clips even for non-technicians - around the 15 minute mark of volume 1 has some good shots of LD production.

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Posted: 29 Mar 2017, 07:31 

Now that the last Laserdisc player was produced already many years ago, wouldn't it be nice to have a complete list of all LD player models sold from 1978 until 2009?
I have nowhere seen such a complete list and try now to produce one by myself, I appreciate every help to complete this list.

Thanks to retro_games the laserdisc player model LJR I from Runco got into my list.
Thanks to lons_vex I could add the laserdisc player Acustorama CDV 496 from Grundig, which is a OEM model from Philips.
Thanks to svwees I could add 6 "CDV players". "CDV players" are players restricted to 12cm VSD, 12cm CDV, 12cm CD, and 8cm CD (=CDS). CDVs and VSDs contain a 5-6 minutes long laserdisc part with analog video and digital audio. CDVs contain additionally a 20 min CD part with audio only. CDV players are "laserdisc enhanced" CD players that cannot play the large laserdiscs, because they have got only a small CD type tray. The "exotic" Pioneer LD-V3000 that can play only 20cm laserdiscs was already in my list before.
Thanks to scytales I could add 3 LD players manufactured in the Soviet Union by Rus and Amfiton, plus 1 manufactured in Russia by Kolibri, the latter being a licensed clone of a Philips CDV 496.
Thanks to admin Julien I could add Clarion MV-7000A.

My last update was on July 15th, 2017 .

----- THE STILL INCOMPLETE LASERDISC PLAYERS AND RECORDERS LIST - currently showing 1024 devices -----
"Laserdisc" is a registered trademark of the company Pioneer, and in the year 1989 Pioneer has allowed that this name be used for all compatible laser videodiscs, i.e. compatible with the MCA and Philips optical videodisc specification. Therefore this list contains devices for NTSC Laserdiscs, PAL Laserdiscs, and MUSE Hi-Vision Laserdiscs. The one-time recordable RLV discs (NTSC, CAV format, analog sound) are compatible with normal NTSC Laserdiscs players, therefore a RLV recorder is also listed here.

Aiwa (4): LV-X310, LV-X510K, LV-Z1000, XV-999

Akai / A&D (2): DP-L1000, LD‑V10 ,

Amfiton [Амфитон] (1): VP-201 [ВП 201],

Carver (1): MD/V-500,

Clarion (6): MV-3000A, MV-3100A, MV-7000A, MVA-300-100, MVA-400-100, MVA-450,

Columbia (17): CLK‑100 (system), CLK‑1500 (system), CLK-5000 (system), CLK‑600 (system), CLK‑600D (system), CLK-610[/url] (system), CLK-650 (system), CLK-750 (system), CLK-800 (system), CLK-888 (system), CLK‑88G (system), CLK-90 (system), ULA-100, ULA-110, ULA-120, ULA-130, ULA‑88 ,

Curtis Mathes (1): CDV-901,

DaiichiKosho / DKKaraoke (3): LD-V10 (system), LC-V30 (system), DKK-100 (system),

Denon / Denonet (31): DCD-GX, LA-1500C, LA-1600C, LA-2000, LA-210, LA-2100, LA-2150K, LA-2200K, LA-2300, LA-2300A, LA-2500, LA-260C, LA-2700, LA-270C, LA‑280 , LA-280C, LA-3000, LA-3100 (G), LA‑3200 , LA-3300, LA-3450K, LA-3500, LA-3500G (G), LA-550C, LA-560C, LA-600, LA-600D, LA-700, LA-800, LA-900, LA-V200G (G),

EAD (3): T-7000, T-8000, TheaterVision,

Faroudja (1): LD-1000,

Fujitsu General (2): VKC-20, VKC-300,

Funai (1): MD-K55

Giga Networks (1): VF-020

Grundig (1): Acustorama,

Hitachi (27): HLD‑1000 (MUSE), LKS‑2900V (system), MX‑LD500CD, VIP‑11, VIP‑12, VIP‑15K, VIP‑16K, VIP‑200LK, VIP‑20D, VIP‑23D, VIP‑25DX, VIP‑30C, VIP‑31C, VIP‑32C, VIP‑35C, VIP‑5, VIP‑9500, VIP‑9550, VIP‑9600, VIP‑KX10, VIP‑KZ55EX, VIP‑KZ77G, VIP‑RX10EX, VIP‑RX6E, VIP‑RX6EX, VIP‑RX8EX, VIP‑SX55,

Kenwood (22): LVD‑07, LVD‑280, LVD‑290, LVD‑300, LVD‑310, LVD‑320, LVD‑68, LVD‑700, LVD‑710, LVD‑7i, LVD‑820R, LVD‑89V, LVD‑930R, LVD‑97, LVD-K1000 (system), LVD‑K300V, LVD‑K590V, LVD‑K7000, LVD‑K7100, LVD‑K9200, LVD‑V7, LVD‑Z1,

Kolibri [Колибри] (1): VP-101 [ВП 101],

Luxman (2): D‑08 , D-408,

Magnavox / MagnaVision (9): CDV305, CDV 474, CDV 484, VC‑8005 , VC‑800GYOi , VC-8010, VC-8040, VH-8000, WRV100,

Marantz (19): CDV‑400, CDV‑50, CDV‑570, CDV‑580, CDV‑610K, CDV‑70D, CDV-70K, CDV‑770, CDV‑780, CV‑55, LV‑100, LV‑101, LV‑10CD, LV‑11CD, LV‑1CD, LV-500, LV-510, LV-520, LV-520BL,

Matrox (2): CDV-1082 (E‑VDP/MSNI),

MCA DiscoVision (1): PR-7820,

McIntosh (1): MLD7020,

Mitsubishi (9): DP-L1500, M‑V6020 , M-V6021, M-V6022, M-V6027, M-V7010, M-V7025, ]M-V7057, M-V8000,

MSB (7): LS-1, LS-1 Gold, Gold LS2 , LS-2 Platinum, LS-2x Silver, LS-2x Silver w/ optional int.AC3RF-dem,

NAD Electronics (1): NAD 5900,

NEC Home Entertainment (14): LD‑2000, PCE‑LD1, VP‑L700, VP‑L750, VP‑L760, VP‑L800, VP‑L850D, VP‑L860CV, VP‑L900, VP‑L900CD, VP‑L910, VP‑L910CD, VP‑L960CV, VP‑LS‑100,

Nikkodo / BMB (5): LV-100, LV-1200, LV-1500S, LV-2000, LV-220A,

ODC Nimbus (1): LVDR 610 (RLV recorder),

Onkyo (5): DX-V350, DX‑V370, DX‑V500, DX‑V801, ML‑200A,

Panasonic (42): AG‑LD20, AG‑LD30, LX‑100, LX‑1000, LX‑101, LX‑101U, LX‑120, LX‑121, LX‑200, LX‑200PX, LX‑300, LX‑310, LX‑600, LX‑900, LX‑900U, LX‑D570, LX‑H170, LX‑H180, LX‑H670, LX-H670U, LX‑H680, LX‑HD10 (MUSE), LX‑HD20 (MUSE), LX-K500, LX-K550, LX‑K570, LX‑K580V, LX-K590V, LX‑K630, LX‑K660, LX‑K670, LX‑K680, LX‑K700, LX‑K750, LX-K7500, LX‑K770EN, LX‑K770U, LX‑K780, LX‑K8000, LX‑V860, LX‑V860EN, LX‑V880,

Philips (44): CDV 185 (CDV-player), CDV 305, CDV 400, CDV 474, CDV 475, CDV 484, CDV 485, CDV 486, CDV 487, CDV 488, CDV 495, CDV 496, CDV 500, CDV 600, CDV 750, CDV 786, CDV 800, CDV 900, CDV 988, LDP‑400, LDP‑410, LDP‑600WS, VP 301, VP 310, VP 312, VP 380, VP 405, VP 406, VP 410, VP 412, VP 415, VP 500, VP 600, VP 620, VP 700, VP 720, VP 830, VP 831, VP 835, VP 837, VP 923, VP 931, VP 932 (=LVP‑22VP932), VP 935,

Pioneer (448): CLD‑01, CLD‑02, CLD‑05, CLD‑07G, CLD‑100, CLD‑100K, CLD‑100KV, CLD‑1010, CLD‑1030, CLD‑1050, CLD‑1070, CLD‑1070 Mil, CLD‑1080, CLD‑1090, CLD‑1091, CLD‑110, CLD‑110KVT, CLD‑110‑N, CLD‑1190, CLD‑1200, CLD‑1260, CLD‑1400, CLD‑1450, CLD‑1500, CLD‑150K, CLD‑1570K, CLD‑1580K, CLD‑1580K Mil, CLD‑1590K, CLD‑1600, CLD‑160K, CLD‑1700, CLD‑1710K, CLD‑1720K, CLD‑1730K, CLD‑1750, CLD‑1750K, CLD‑1750KV, CLD‑1800, CLD‑1810K, CLD‑1850, CLD‑1850K, CLD‑1950, CLD‑200, CLD‑200K, CLD‑2050, CLD‑2070, CLD‑2080, CLD‑2090, CLD‑210KVT, CLD‑2290, CLD‑2400, CLD‑2590K, CLD‑2600, CLD‑2700, CLD‑2710K, CLD‑2720K, CLD‑2730K, CLD‑2750K, CLD‑2760K, CLD‑2850, CLD‑2950, CLD‑303, CLD‑3030, CLD‑3060, CLD‑3070, CLD‑3080, CLD‑3090, CLD‑31, CLD‑313, CLD‑3380, CLD‑3390, CLD‑360, CLD‑3750K, CLD‑3750KV, CLD‑3760K, CLD‑3760KV, CLD‑406, CLD‑500, CLD‑5000, CLD‑505, CLD‑510, CLD‑5104, CLD‑52, CLD‑53, CLD‑535, CLD‑555, CLD‑59, CLD‑600, CLD‑605, CLD‑606, CLD‑616, CLD‑7, CLD‑70, CLD‑700, CLD‑700S, CLD‑7100, CLD‑737, CLD‑757, CLD‑77, CLD‑770, CLD‑79, CLD‑800, CLD‑838, CLD‑8380, CLD‑900 (NTSC), CLD-900 (PAL), CLD‑9000, CLD‑900S, CLD‑901, CLD‑909, CLD‑91, CLD‑91 mil, CLD‑919, CLD‑92, CLD‑939, CLD‑95, CLD‑950, CLD‑959, CLD‑97, CLD‑970, CLD‑98, CLD‑980, CLD‑99, CLD‑990, CLD‑995, CLD‑99S, CLD‑A100 LaserActive, CLD‑AK700, CLD‑C1, CLD‑C3, CLD‑C5G, CLD‑CLKV900, CLD‑CLKV920, CLD‑D1, CLD‑D104, CLD‑D304, CLD‑D380, CLD‑D390, CLD‑D3V, CLD‑D406, CLD‑D500, CLD‑D501, CLD‑D502, CLD‑D503, CLD‑D504, CLD‑D505, CLD‑D515, CLD‑D550, CLD‑D560, CLD‑D570, CLD‑D580, CLD‑D590, CLD‑D604, CLD‑D605, CLD‑D606, CLD‑D700, CLD‑D701, CLD‑D702, CLD‑D703, CLD‑D704, CLD‑D750, CLD‑D760, CLD‑D770, CLD‑D780, CLD‑D790, CLD‑D925, CLD‑D99, CLD‑DV3, CLD‑E100, CLD‑E110, CLD‑E130, CLD‑E140, CLD‑E2000, CLD‑E2200, CLD‑E505, CLD‑F1, CLD‑F7, CLD‑HF7G, CLD‑HF9G, CLD‑J420, CLD‑J700, CLD‑J720, CLD‑J910, CLD‑J990, CLD‑J990G, CLD‑J990‑K, CLD‑J990V, CLD‑K1000, CLD‑K11, CLD‑K1100, CLD‑K150, CLD‑K22G, CLD‑K33G, CLD‑K50, CLD‑K55G, CLD‑K600, CLD‑K66G, CLD‑K7, CLD‑K700, CLD‑K77G, CLD‑K8, CLD‑K80, CLD‑K800, CLD‑K88G, CLD‑K8V, CLD‑K99V, CLD‑LK66 (system), CLD‑LK80 (system), CLD‑LK99 (system), CLD‑M301, CLD‑M401, CLD‑M403, CLD‑M450, CLD‑M460, CLD‑M5, CLD‑M502, CLD‑M503, CLD‑M90, CLD‑M90‑J, CLD‑P2, CLD‑PC10, CLD‑R4, CLD‑R4-N, CLD‑R4G, CLD‑R5, CLD‑R6G, CLD‑R7G, CLD‑S104, CLD‑S105, CLD‑S180, CLD‑S180V, CLD‑S201, CLD‑S2010, CLD‑S250, CLD‑S260/SD, CLD‑S270, CLD‑S280, CLD‑S290, CLD‑S300V, CLD‑S303, CLD‑S304, CLD‑S305, CLD‑S310, CLD‑S310F, CLD‑S315, CLD‑S320F, CLD‑S330, CLD‑S350, CLD‑S360, CLD‑S370, CLD‑S406, CLD‑S500VT, CLD‑V1008, CLD‑V101, CLD‑V1212D, CLD‑V121G, CLD‑V190, CLD‑V202, CLD‑V2120D, CLD‑V2300D, CLD‑V2400, CLD‑V250, CLD‑V250G, CLD‑V2600, CLD‑V2800, CLD‑V300, CLD‑V303T, CLD‑V500, CLD‑V5000, CLD‑V510, CLD‑V520, CLD‑V700, CLD‑V710, CLD‑V720, CLD‑V730, CLD‑V740, CLD‑V750, CLD‑V760, CLD‑V820, CLD‑V840, CLD‑V850, CLD‑V860, CLD‑V870, CLD‑V880, CLD‑V900, CLD‑X919, CLD‑Z1, CCS‑LV1, CL‑7700S, CL‑J35, CL‑J350, CL‑J35LD, CL‑J35LDV, CL‑J550, CL‑J55LD, CL‑J55LDV, CL‑J560, CL‑J75, CL‑J750, CL‑J75LD, CL‑J760V, CL‑X90, CLK‑V900, CLK‑V920, CLK‑V940, CLK‑V950, CLX‑J100D, CO‑V100 (commander), CO‑V12 (commander), CO‑V200 (commander), CO‑V300 (commander), CO‑V50 (commander), DVK‑1000, DVK‑900, DVL‑700 (J), DVL‑700 (U), DVL‑9, DVL‑90, DVL‑909, DVL‑909E, DVL‑91, DVL‑919 (J), DVL‑919 (U), DVL‑919E, DVL‑H9, DVL‑K88, DVL‑V888, HLD‑1000 (MUSE), HLD‑V500 (MUSE), HLD‑V700 (MUSE), HLD‑X0 (MUSE), HLD‑X9 (MUSE), LC‑330 autochanger, LC‑V100 autochanger, LC‑V20 autochanger, LC‑V20‑K autochanger, LC‑V200 autochanger, LC‑V300 autochanger, LC‑V330 autochanger, LC‑V50 autochanger, LC‑V800 autochanger, LC‑V80TL autochanger, LD‑1000, LD‑1100 (AE), LD‑1100 (U), LD‑200, LD‑5000, LD‑510, LD‑5100, LD‑600, LD‑6200A, LD‑660, LD‑700, LD‑7000, LD‑707, LD‑7100, LD‑717, LD‑7200, LD‑7700S, LD‑8100, LD‑8200D, LD‑838D, LD‑850D, LD‑870, LD‑9200D, LD‑E100, LD‑E150, LD‑K17, LD‑K5, LD‑K7, LD‑LK77, LD‑S1, LD‑S2, LD‑S9, LD‑V10, LD‑V1000, LD‑V1001, LD‑V1003, LD‑V1010, LD‑V1012, LD‑V16, LD‑V17, LD‑V170, LD‑V180, LD‑V18T, LD‑V200, LD‑V2000, LD‑V2020, LD‑V2100, LD‑V2200, LD‑V3000 (LD20 only), LD‑V400, LD‑V4000, LD‑V4100, LD‑V4200, LD‑V4300D, LD‑V4400, LD‑V500, LD‑V510, LD‑V515SE, LD‑V520, LD‑V530, LD‑V540, LD‑V600A, LD‑V6000, LD‑V6000A, LD‑V6010A, LD‑V6100, LD‑V6200A, LD‑V800, LD‑V8000, LD‑W1, LD‑X1, LD‑X710, LJ‑V10 (commander), LJ‑V20 (commander), LJ‑V20‑K (commander), LJ‑V66 (commander), LK‑1030 (system), LK‑55 (system), LK‑60 (system), LK‑620 (system), LK‑630 (system), LK‑77 (system), LK‑80 (system), LK‑810 (system), LK‑820 (system), LK‑830 (system), LK‑88 (system), LK‑99 (system), LK‑P11 (system), LK‑V32 (system), LK‑V350 (system), LK‑V37 (system), LK‑V38 (system), LV‑4300D, LV‑P1, PD‑707V (CDV-player), PR‑7820, PR‑8210, PR‑8210A, SYSCOM D7100‑K, SYSCOM D7300‑K, VP‑1000, WAVE1000TV, WAVE700, WAVE700TV,

Proscan (5): PSLD40, PSLD41, PSLD43, PSLD45, PSLD46,

Proton (1): LD‑901,

Quasar (6): LD‑500, LD‑510, LD‑600, LD‑700, LD‑710, LD‑9090,

RCA (8): LDR‑300, LDR‑307, LDR‑310, LDR‑400, LDR‑500, LDR‑600, LDR‑610, LDR‑900K,

RDI Halcyon (1): Model 200,


Rus [Русь] (2): 501 VIDEO [501 ВИДЕО], VP 201 [ВП 201],

Samsung (20): DV‑430C, DV‑4260V, DV‑500K, DV‑500KN, DV‑5000, DV‑5000N, DV‑505K, DV-5100, DV‑530K, DV‑530VK, DV‑5500, DV‑550KP, DV‑550NKC, DV‑555K, DV‑6000, DV‑710K, DV‑710KN, DV‑7620KV, LD‑K700V, RS Renaissance,

Sansui (3): CL‑900XD, CL‑V3000, SV‑L1000,

Sanyo (7): LV-P1, LV-P500, LV‑P7, LV‑PK30, LV-PK45, SLV‑J1, SLV‑J2,

SEGA (1): VIP 9500SG,

Sharp (13): LD‑V950, MV‑D100, MV‑D1002, MV‑D200, MV‑D2000, MV-D50, MV-K20, MV‑K33, MV‑K520, MV‑K70, MV‑K7000, MV‑K7600, QT‑93V (CDV-player),

Sony (151): CDP‑301V (CDV-player), CLK‑700, HIL‑1000 (MUSE), HIL‑C1 (MUSE), HIL‑C2EX (MUSE), HIL‑C3 (MUSE), LDP‑1000, LDP‑1000A, LDP‑11, LDP‑1100, LDP‑1100A, LDP‑1200, LDP‑1400, LDP‑1401, LDP‑1450, LDP‑150, LDP‑1500, LDP‑1500P, LDP‑1550, LDP‑1550P, LDP‑1600, LDP‑1600P, LDP‑180P, LDP‑190, LDP‑2000, LDP‑2000P, LDP‑2100, LDP‑2200, LDP‑250CD, LDP‑330, LDP‑3300P, LDP‑330LC, LDP‑3600, LDP‑3600D, LDP‑505, LDP‑515, LDP‑525, LDP‑530, LDP‑550, LDP‑730, LDP‑750, LDP‑900, MDK‑500, MDK‑77A, MDK‑77P, MDP‑1000, MDP‑11, MDP‑1100, MDP‑111, MDP‑1150, MDP‑1200, MDP‑1550, MDP‑1700, MDP‑1700AR, MDP‑20, MDP‑200, MDP‑201, MDP‑210, MDP‑212, MDP‑222GX, MDP‑290, MDP‑315, MDP‑322GX, MDP‑333 (NTSC), MDP‑333 (PAL), MDP‑335GX, MDP‑355, MDP‑355GX, MDP‑3600D, MDP‑405, MDP‑405GX, MDP‑440, MDP‑450, MDP‑455 (J), MDP-455 (U), MDP‑455GX, MDP‑455SA, MDP‑500, MDP‑510, MDP‑515D, MDP‑533D, MDP‑550, MDP‑550AE, MDP‑555, MDP‑555F, MDP‑555SA, MDP‑600, MDP‑601, MDP‑605, MDP‑605GX, MDP‑640, MDP‑640D, MDP‑650, MDP‑650AE, MDP‑650D, MDP‑700, MDP‑711, MDP‑722, MDP‑722GX, MDP‑740D, MDP‑750, MDP‑755, MDP‑800, MDP‑801, MDP‑850D, MDP‑9, MDP‑911, MDP‑999, MDP‑A1, MDP‑A10, MDP‑A2, MDP‑A3, MDP‑A30, MDP‑A3000, MDP‑A500, MDP‑A600K, MDP‑A660K, MDP‑A7, MDP‑A800K2, MDP‑A880K, MDP‑A9, MDP‑AV1, MDP‑K1, MDP‑K15, MDP‑K3, MDP‑K35, MDP‑K5, MDP‑K50, MDP‑K8, MDP‑L405, MDP‑MR1, MDP‑MR2, MDP‑RC20, MDP‑RS10, MDP‑U10, MDP‑U3, MDP‑U30, MDP‑U300P, MDP‑U330P, MDP‑RS1, MDP‑V1, MDP‑V10, MDP‑V7, MDP‑V70G, MDP‑V70K, MDP‑V8K, MDP‑V900G, MDP‑V90K, MDP‑V9K, VIW-3020 (controller), VIW‑5000 (controller),

Sylvania (1): VP‑7200,

Tandy Realistic (1): MD‑1000,

Teac (24): LV‑1000, LV‑1200, LV‑1400, LV‑1500DS, LV‑1700DS, LV‑2000, LV‑2200K, LV‑2300, LV‑2400, LV‑2500, LV‑2600, LV‑3000V, LV‑3300K, LV‑3500KC, LV‑5000, LV‑5000DS, LV‑5000W, LV‑5500DS, LV‑5700DS, LV‑6000W, LV‑7000, LV‑7000V, LV‑8000V, LV‑9000,

Technics (1): LX‑1000,

Teknika Electronics (1): HA VD10,

Telefunken (2): VDP 500, VDP 800,

Theta (4): Data universal transport, Data II universal transport, Data III universal transport, Voyager,

Toshiba (13): XR‑K65, XR‑L10D, XR‑L800, XR‑L8D, XR‑LK30, XR‑LK44, XR‑LK55, XR‑LK70G, XR‑W70(A), XR‑W70(M), XR‑W75, XR‑W90, XR‑W90A,

Wurlitzer (1): Lasergraph (autochanger),

Yamaha (18): CDV‑100, CDV‑1000 (J), CDV‑1000 (U), CDV‑1100, CDV‑1200K, CDV‑1600, CDV‑1700, CDV‑300K, CDV‑870, CDV‑M777 (CDV-player), CDV‑S100 (CDV-player), CDV‑W701K, CDV‑W901, CLV‑1, CLV‑M88, LV‑1000D, LV‑X1, LV‑X1 DIGITAL,

Zenith (1): LDP‑510,
The large 30cm and 20cm laserdiscs in NTSC or PAL I call just "Laserdisc" (LD) independent of whether they were called "DiscoVision", "LaserVision", "VLP", "CDV", or "Laserdisc" by the manufacturer. "LDS" = 20cm LD-Single, "CDS" = 8cm CD-Single. I use the name "CDV" only for 12cm CDV, aka "CDV-Single", and for VSD.
(system) refers to "complete" laserdisc systems that comprise at least a LD player, amps and speakers. I am sure that I have not yet marked all of them.
(autochanger) refers to a player that can hold several laserdiscs, and can be ordered to pick any one of them to play it back.
(commander) refers to a device that does not play back LDs by itself, but is used to control one or several autochanger LD player units.
(recorder) refers to a device that is used for recording a video onto a videodisc. Some recorders have built-in video processors, some use standalone processors. Only RLV recorders can produce a disc that is playable in a normal laserdisc player.
(processor) refers to a device that does not play back LDs by itself, but is required to be used with a videodisc recorder when recording.
(MUSE) refers to players that can play MUSE Hi-Vision Laserdiscs. Many of these players can play back also NTSC laserdiscs.
(CDV-player) means that it can play back only 12cm CDV, VSD, CD, and 8cm CD-Single. It cannot play back the large Laserdiscs.

(HDVS Videodisc recorders use one-time recordable videodiscs in a plastic caddy. HDVS Videodisc players use the same or prerecorded pressed discs, but without a caddy. HDVS Videodiscs do not use MUSE compression - the player output signal can be directly plugged into a HD TV set. NOT compatible with Laserdiscs and NOT compatible with Hi-Vision LDs.)

Sony (2): HDL-2000, HDL-5800 (recorder),

(The "Color Videodisc" was a result of a co-development of Teac and Sumitomo Chemical. The recorders are labeled "TEAC Laser Videodisc Recorder". These discs are similar to RLV discs as they are also 1x writeable and can store up to 54000 frames resp. 30 minutes of video on one side (NTSC, CAV), there are single-sided and double-sided discs. However they can be written only in the Teac recorders of the LV-200 series - and unlike RLV they also can only be played back in the recorders and players of the Teac LV-200 series! NEITHER the discs NOR the players are compatible with Laserdisc.
NB: since I have not yet found a picture of a real "Color Videodisc", I am not sure whether they were labeled as such or used a different name.)

Teac (5): LV-200A (recorder), LV-210A (recorder), LV-210P, LV-220P, LV-250HC (recorder),

(CRVdisc are 30cm one-time writeable discs sealed in a plastic caddy, the recorders themselves are labeled "Sony Laser Videodisc recorder". NOT compatible with Laserdisc.)

Sony (15): LVA-3500, LVA-3700P, LVA-4700P, LVA-8000P, LVR-3000N (recorder), LVR-4000P (recorder), LVR-5000 (recorder), LVR-5000A (recorder), LVR-6000 (recorder), LVR-6000A (recorder), LVS-4000A (processor for LVR-5000), LVS-5000 (processor for LVR-5000), LVS-5000A (processor for LVR-5000A), LVS-6000AP (processor for LVR-6000A), LVS-6000P (processor for LVR-6000),

(LaserRecorders use a 1000000 times rewriteable blank LaserRecorder Videodisc, sealed in a plastic caddy. NOT compatible with Laserdisc.)

Pioneer (2): VDR-V1000 NTSC (recorder), VDR-V1000 PAL (recorder),

(LaserFilm videodiscs 1984-1986 are 30cm discs out of thin photographic film in a plastic caddy. Master discs are transparent with black dots, replicas are black with transparent dots. The player can playback both types. NOT compatible with Laserdisc.)

McDonnell Douglas (1): LFS-4400,

(Optical Memory Discs 1987-? are mostly 20cm discs. The recorders are labeled "National Optical Disc Recorder". OMD were introduced into the market 1987 and used mostly as storage medium for medical picture and video material. NOT compatible with Laserdisc.)

National/Panasonic (2): ODR TQ-2600F (recorder), ODR TQ-2700F (recorder),

----- NOT LISTED HERE: TED 1975-1977, CED 1981-1986, VHD 1983-1988 are needle-read videodisc systems without any laser. (NOT compatible with Laserdisc.)

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Posted: 02 Aug 2017, 16:13 

If you need the disk fast just google it and see if any online stores are selling.

5 seconds on google turned up this:,732-YV-2839.html

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Posted: 05 Aug 2017, 09:06 

So it's not only Input 12, its 11 & 12, but it's exactly the behavior I'm noticing as well.

Lumagen has been informed but they logged it as a low priority bug, and I agree it's not going to stop you from using anything and it's on the analog inputs that probably not many people are using anymore ( Input 12 = HLD-X9 here).


It's both the fixed composite inputs (11, 12); the component/switchable inputs (9, 10) are fine. Agreed it's not really much of an issue; I was just trying to set up the on-screen input menu with simple labeling for some extra ease of use for the other half!

Using both the 11 & 12 for LD input here; 9 & 10 for Muse decoder input.

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Posted: 06 Sep 2017, 15:23 

For anyone who has found this thread and is looking for an easy way of running SubStation Alpha on 64-bit Windows systems, have a look at these links:
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