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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 17:16 

I own various editions of Terminator 2, one of the few movies I really could watch each week and still enjoy it.
All these versions have their advantages and drawbacks.

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/T2_Collection.JPG

From left to right, 1st row
- USA Extended THX Release [LD 82997-2WS] : Great LD, but no CC, so I'll choose the Japanese edition, with LD-G
- Japan 1st SQZ/AC3 Release [PILF-2187] : Again, great LD, good SQZ picture quality, but no CC nor LD-G, so I'll choose the 2nd edition.
- Japan 2nd SQZ/AC3 THX Release [PILF-2555] : Perfect LD. From far the best version on Laserdisc ever.
- USA AC3 THX Release [LD68952-2DD] : Great LD, but inferior to the 2nd SQZ japanese version.

2nd row
- Japan 8" making of [PIMF-1001] : Just for the fun of owning a 8" LD with some stuff about T2 on it !
- Japan Hi-Vision A-Mode Release [PILH-1001] : Good Hi-Vision release, but picture seems to be inferior to the 2nd SQZ japanese version.
- Japan Extended THX Release [PILF-1800] : Great & solid box set. Extended Version with LD-G.

So what I'll try to do here is a comparison between:
Standard [LD68952-2DD] , SQZ [PILF-2555] & Hi-Vision [PILH-1001]

I've always wanted to do it, I'll just need some time, but I think it could be interesting for those out there with interest for the odd LD formats.

I start with the Hi-Vision release, to raise the bar a little high and see if the other version can still compete with it.

A simple but still beautiful packaging, with a double digipak holding the 2 discs.
This version has both A-Mode 3.1 and Dolby Surround EFM Tracks.

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/PILH-1001_01.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/PILH-1001_02.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/PILH-1001_03.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/PILH-1001_04.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/PILH-1001_05.JPG

The SQZ version is also very classy with it's black top obi perfectly matching the cover.
It offers Dolby Digital, CC & LD-G and a very good picture quality.

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/T2DD_T2SQZ_01.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/T2DD_T2SQZ_02.JPG

I've tried to find some scenes that I will compare between the 3 version.
1st picture = Hi-Vi
2nd picture = SQZ
3rd Picture = Standard


Scene A - Opening

Hi-Vi: Picture quality is good, but not great.

SQZ: Great picture quality, maybe inferior in definition than the Hi-Vision one, but it moves better.

Standard: [...]

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_A_Opening_01.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_A_Opening_01.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_A_Opening_02.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_A_Opening_02.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_A_Opening_03.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_A_Opening_03.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_A_Opening_04.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_A_Opening_04.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_A_Opening_05.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_A_Opening_05.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_A_Opening_06.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_A_Opening_06.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_A_Opening_07.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_A_Opening_07.JPG

Scene B - Arrival

Hi-Vi: Mostly in the dark, here also, we have a good picture but not surprisingly great.

SQZ: Dark scenes are not a problem for the SQZ version, no visible quality loss like with the HiVi. Picture seems to be blue when compared to the grey of the Hi-Vi.

Standard: [...]

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_B_Arrival_01.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_B_Arrival_01.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_B_Arrival_02.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_B_Arrival_02.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_B_Arrival_03.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_B_Arrival_03.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_B_Arrival_04.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_B_Arrival_04.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_B_Arrival_05.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_B_Arrival_05.JPG


Scene C - Scanning

Hi-Vi: As the background is not looking great and seems to be a little blurry, the foreground with all the terminator Data is always clear and perfectly readable.

SQZ: Lower resolution as the HiVi picture, but still very good. Here we can cleary see that SQZ has a wider AR than Hi-Vi. See Picture 5 for example.

Standard: [...]

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_01.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_01.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_02.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_02.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_03.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_03.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_04.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_04.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_06.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_06.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_07.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_07.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_08.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_08.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_C_Scanning_09.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_C_Scanning_09.JPG


Scene D - John

Hi-Vi: Daylight = Better picture quality. The small computer "PIN Cracker" screen gives a good opportunity for MUSE to show off. Once again: if it's not moving, it's good for MUSE :D

SQZ: Here also, you can see that SQZ is wider than Hi-Vi. Pictures of the small computer shows it well.

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_D_John_01.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_D_John_01.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_D_John_02.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_D_John_02.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_D_John_03.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_D_John_03.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_D_John_04.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_D_John_04.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_D_John_05.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_D_John_05.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_D_John_06.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_D_John_06.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_D_John_07.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_D_John_07.JPG



Scene E - Light

Special request from laserbite 8-)

http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_E_Light_01.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_E_Light_01.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_E_Light_02.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_E_Light_02.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_E_Light_03.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_E_Light_03.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_E_Light_04.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_E_Light_04.JPG


http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/HiVi_E_Light_05.JPG
http://svcchaos.free.fr/LD/T2/SQZ_E_Light_05.JPG



... I'll be back.

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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc vs DVD
Posted: 08 Jul 2014, 03:51 

Ld and dvd are both 480i vertical resolution. Dvd has over 500 lines or horizontal resolution and Ld has 425 (theoretical) lines of horizontal resolution.

Dvd has 240 lines of chroma resolution in alternative lines (4:2:0 sampling) that is 4 bit of Cb and Cr (chroma)on every other line where as 8 bit Y (Luma) on all lines.

Ld has 120 lines of chroma at best. Most older pressing (pre-superNTSC) have half of that and 2D comb filters can only retract limited Chroma from the composite signal. So early 1990s releases played through 3D comb filter gets 100+ lines.

Dvd is a digital medium. Its samples of discreet info. Imagine you want to draw a line in digital. In 1000 sampling you draw 1000 dots next to each other. In 100 sampling you draw the same line (same length) with 100 dots. If you draw your line high enough number of dots you might create one straight line without breaks.

Ld is an analog format. Its continuous time. You draw a line scratching your pen on the paper. The quality of the line depends on your pen and the paper. If its a good ball point pen and a fine paper, you will have a beautiful line. Ld can record 7mhz of continuous electrical information pet second for its video.


dvd has about 65db of signal to noise ratio. Ld is 54db on the best machine. Most average player is at around 48-50db.

dvd can be read quiet accurately and the same on most dvd players. If I tell you to draw a 1" line with 100 dots in equal spaces, you can imitate my line easily. If I ask you to draw a 1" line with a pen, your line will look like mine but if you examine closely each line is unique with different strokes. Thats why analog recording and reading differs each time and each equipment.

Dvd is compressed in mpeg-2. It has side effects like banding, pixelation on motion, mosquito noise. Ld is uncompressed and immune of these but separating luma and chroma has its own artifacts .

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Posted: 07 Dec 2015, 05:12 

Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin is an OVA (direct to video) series currently in production. So far two episodes have been released, scheduled for every six months. I think the target number of EPs is 5, but as we saw with Unicorn, if the show is a hit I wouldn't be surprised if they made it longer. Each episode is an hour. The mecha are CG. That's about all you need to know.

The release format is similar to Gundam Unicorn. There are both Japanese and English tracks, stereo and DTS 5.1. Subtitles in seven languages. The DVD has no world release, only the BR. There is only one Bluray disc world wide and this time those in the US can only purchase the collectors edition. It is an import in everything but name, only sold by Right Stuff. I guess Bandai figures thier target audience would want nothing else than the maximum package, and I think they are correct. With Gundam Unicorn Bandai did eventually make compilation DVDs for a massively reduced price just for American cheapskates. I'm not sure what's neutered about them, but I'd assume a lower bitrate than the JP DVDs, not that anyone buying DVD in the age of BR would care...anyway. I assume Origin will get a similar release. There are also a bunch of ways to see it online but I don't know what any of them are. :)

When you load the disc you see this:

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.24.26%20PM.png

You choose what language you want (for menus) and the episode starts. The soundtrack and subtitles will default to your BR player's preferences, so for me it automatically started in Japanese with English subtitles. (No need to fumble for the language buttons on the BR remote to turn off the Canadian valley girl boys, which is nice.) There are some FBI/INTERPOL things here, but otherwise you paid for an episode of Gundam and that's what they gave you. No extraneous hucksterism. There is a full on DVD style menu but you only see it when the show is over.

I'll leave judgement of the show to the rest of the internet. I will say though that I like it. I wish the mecha were still hand drawn, but since they aren't that important to the show really I guess I don't care. Bandai does still seem to be making shows with hand drawn mecha, but for some reason this wasn't one of them. I assume it had to do with available staff. Anyway, the show is pretty good. Episode 2, IMO, was excellent and it gives me hope that the show will continue to entertain.

Anyway, the real reason for this post is the packaging, which is clearly meant to evoke the LD mystique.

They come with outer shipper boxes with air pockets all around. They were designed to ship straight to everyone's house. Of course RS puts it in another box so the thing that shows up at your house is pretty humongous for something that's on a 5" disc.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.36.24%20PM.png

Does this look like a couple of LDs?

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.37.41%20PM.png

How about now? ( Gundam Formula F-91 (1991) (Uncut) [BELL-449] shown for comparison)

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.38.27%20PM.png

So what's in the box?

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.40.29%20PM.png

Well, EP 1 came with a little book that has most of the major line art and also the direction for the entire episode. You know, in case you want to...animate the entire thing again yourself? Well, its fun to look at, and these days most animation productions don't really produce enough concept art to fill a decent art book so this is at least something that was hand drawn and very human looking.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.43.02%20PM.png

You also get another little book that shows how scenes were originally composed as manga pages and how they look once animated.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.46.32%20PM.png

The box itself is very much like small LD series used to be (like super sentai shows) but everything is flimsier by a large margin. The obi is one step up from fax paper and the box is maybe half the weight of a good LD box. However, its a nice gesture.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.49.05%20PM.png

Episode 1 was supposed to come with some sort of clear plastic thing that would lineup nicely with the clear plastic thing that came with the HG Char's Zaku Origin model kit, but I bought both of these things and received neither freebee. I assume it must have been a handout in Japanese shops only.



Episode 2 was a bit fancier, just a bit.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.50.53%20PM.png

You get this large format (but very thin) book of select key animation frames. You also get a fake cel. I never understood the appeal of them, but here you go.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.51.52%20PM.png

Some nice drawings.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.52.26%20PM.png

You also get a 12x12 copy of the outer box art sans logos. This isn't very exciting, I'm afraid.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.53.52%20PM.png

Inside you get the same sort of thing you got with EP 1.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.54.56%20PM.png

A book with character designs and full direction.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.55.33%20PM.png

And other book with the comic layouts technique layed out.

http://s420144560.onlinehome.us/tg_images/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-06%20at%2010.57.35%20PM.png

All in all I'm pretty happy with it. The only thing that I'm not super pumped about is just how flimsy every single thing in these boxes feels. Its soooo thin. They also either shrink wrapped or baggied every single dumb thing in these sets. The BRs themselves are shrinkwrapped into an outer sleeve thing which is then shrink wrapped itself to sit in that pocket with the thinner of the two books and the obi thing. Opening one of these produces a XMas day sized pile of plastic. Its all kind of "pretend" and false but I'm probably the only one that would see it that way. Other than that, this is exactly how I like my OVAs delivered. No commercials, no waiting around for YEARS for a US version, and a nice package that really puts you in the mood of the show.

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Posted: 31 Jan 2016, 19:54 

Crimson Rivers, The (2000) [PILF-2869]

For the community, some screenshots of one the last LD ever made.
You don't see it directly on my captures, but the picture quality is very good.
Dolby Digital has a new (at the time) intro that I've never seen on any other LD.
And it's fun because I speak french and I can enjoy this movie in French on a Japanese LD (!)

Anyway, I thought it would be nice to share some captures of this scarce title.

http://gammairbrush.com/Temp/LDDB/PILF-2869_01.JPG
http://gammairbrush.com/Temp/LDDB/PILF-2869_02.JPG
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 Post subject: External Y/c 3D Comb Filter
Posted: 30 Dec 2016, 14:22 

I didn't know they were also sold separately by Imagenics.

From the description, it claims that it's the circuitry used in the LD-S9 and HLD-X9:

http://page23.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/o167914885
Attachment:
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Manual in Japanese is here.

Julien

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Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 14:55 

Watched Akira for the first time on LD recently. The version I have is the unsubtitled Japanese widescreen version, which is fine because i know the plot (does it have one? :lol: ).

I've watched the movie loads of times on VHS and on DVD a few times, and I think this one easily stacks up to the DVD version and much better than the VHS version. There's a lot to say about animated movies on LD played on a CRT, very nice. Cool gatefold cover as well.

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Posted: 19 Sep 2017, 10:58 

The martians arrived today imported from Japan
Mars Attacks! (1996) [PILF-2400]

Colours are strong on this Japanese import
Dolby AC-3 is dynamically strong

"Nice Laserdic will take it"
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Posted: 27 Sep 2017, 01:54 

This is the 50th Anniversary Box Set. A friend who knows I collect LDs gave me a bunch of Disney LDs that he ran across. In the group were two of this box set, which I started watching with my daughter.

Fantasia: Special Edition (1940) [1236 CS]

The Box Set - Compared to every other Disney (or non-Disney) box set, the box is an oddly large shape that is ~25% larger on one side than a normal LD. The label is on the long side, so due to the extra length it makes it difficult to store with the label facing out. The long side is just too long to put into the correct orientation along side of other normal sized laserdiscs. Besides 3 discs, the box includes a commemorative program, and a matted lithograph of Mickey as the sorcerer's apprentice. The box quality is very good, but the plastic insert that holds the discs is a little too easy to crush or bend when putting discs away after use.

Picture Quality - Of the 500+ laserdiscs I own, this is probably one of the better movies for scaling to 1080P (using VPS3800). The PQ is top notch, and is a real treat to watch and had an old school film grain texture that did not detract from the movie and felt right. I personally enjoyed the PQ through all of the animated scenes. The only time I noticed scaling artifacts was during rapid movement of smaller objects. However, the visuals were just as good and is probably one of the better laserdiscs I have seen PQ-wise. I am certain that being CAV animation helped with scaling. Regardless, very enjoyable.

Discs - In order to make the chapters work, they split the movie into chapters at the end of a given music piece so as to have a natural stopping point. A total of 5 sides of discs were used for the main move and a 6th side (CLV) contains supplementary content. The choice in chapter splits created an interesting oddity in the set. Side 2 of 6 was dedicated to the sorcerer's apprentice scene for a grand total of 10:31 of run time. Very confusing the first time you come to the end of the disc, and say to yourself, "didn't I just put that in there?" I had check that I didn't somehow start midway through a disc as I expected run time to be closer to 30 minutes.

Finally, sound quality. The movie discs have a digital and analog tracks. There is a significant difference between the two tracks. The analog track is in mono and sounded muddy compared to the digital track. The digital track is in stereo (or limited surround) which is used to great effect for sound staging. During many of the early scenes of the movie, the left to right movement in sound stage was well placed and added an extra dimension to the movie I don't think would be there in mono. The digital track also had a considerably wider dynamic range compared to the analog track. If playing back the movie, I would recommend the digital track along with properly set up stereo system to fully take advantage of sound staging. From a historical perspective, I was able to find that the original movie was largely released in Mono, but if you want an interesting read about the history of surround sound, google FANTASOUND.

All in all, I would recommend this disc set to someone who enjoyed the original Fantasia. No frills with the audio compared to many more current movies. However, I think for its time, the audio showed well, and is a byproduct of its original release date of 1940 and subsequent audio renditions.
I would say the biggest negative I can say for the disc set is the stupidly oversized box. It just doesn't fit well into my storage, and imagine woudn't for most collectors. If they had just put the label on the short side instead of the long side of the box, I may have found it more acceptable. Clearly the creators didn't think much about how people would store it, or how it compared to other box set offerings.

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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc vs DVD
Posted: 25 Oct 2017, 04:09 

You can watch BRs on CRT. I’ve done it 1000 times. It looks like LD with more color, or DVD with no macroblocking.

Furthermore, there is only one Transformers movie and it came out in 1986. Both LD editions are decent but not great. I don’t know how this terrible 2017 movie has anything to do with LD so please follow your own warnings. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc vs DVD
Posted: 25 Oct 2017, 08:12 

audioboyz1973 wrote:
t I'm quite lost as to why anyone would buy anything on DVD now?


Because the only other option would be dumb-ray. Which is dumb because old movies look too smoothed out and fake. and new movies are just dumb.

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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc vs DVD
Posted: 25 Oct 2017, 17:04 

Any format has issues from the people involved in transfers.

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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc vs DVD
Posted: 25 Oct 2017, 22:50 

I find this discussion kind of funny... We're currently in the age of digitizing and most countries have started major restoration efforts of their films. Currently the Swedish Film Institute is restoring Det sjunde inseglet in 4K (original negative scan) and their goal is to make the film look like it did when first released back in 1957. If there's damage, they'll try to fix it. If something's missing, they'll try to fix it. If the audio has high-frequency noise, they'll try to fix it. And the list goes on.

Some may say that this is altering history. All I have to tell these people is that they have absolutley no idea of what they're talking about nor any idea how these restorations are made. If they come to a point where the damages cannot be repaired without it looking repaired, they'll just leave it as it is. Or if they cannot find any of the eventually missing frames, they won't put in any new ones unless the final results look like it was originally supposed to.

With high enough resolution (2K is actually enough for most productions), as well as uncompressed scans to work with and good source material, there are incredible possibilites for a re-release. Dirt, damages, scratches and mold were never intended to be seen in a feature film, just like chroma noise from Laserdisc isn't making the final result look anywhere near the intended image of that very same feature. DVD was certainly a step up but not really preferable on modern displays. Blu-Ray is decent but really not more. And UHD-BD... Well, now we're talking. :)

So please, get out of your trenches and see the possibilites with digital instead of the obstacle of it not being analog (which is the most illogical statement ever). I mean... third gen theatrical 35mm prints didn't look very pretty. A 2K DCP would give you results much closer to the intended look.

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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc vs DVD
Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 02:14 

How many times do you have to be told that you are not explaining anything to anyone? You are feeding a troll. That’s it. The rest of the membership understands what you said already, has no real problem with it, and is already overall convinced of the value of it. Then there is this guy who needs weird stimuli and all your typing gives him exactly what he craves.


Seriously, who’s the real idiot? Forper or someone who shoves the same facts down his neck every 6-8 weeks on command with zero results?

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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc vs DVD
Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 10:10 

I find this discussion kind of funny... We're currently in the age of digitizing and most countries have started major restoration efforts of their films. Currently the Swedish Film Institute is restoring Det sjunde inseglet in 4K (original negative scan) and their goal is to make the film look like it did when first released back in 1957. If there's damage, they'll try to fix it. If something's missing, they'll try to fix it. If the audio has high-frequency noise, they'll try to fix it. And the list goes on.

Some may say that this is altering history. All I have to tell these people is that they have absolutley no idea of what they're talking about nor any idea how these restorations are made. If they come to a point where the damages cannot be repaired without it looking repaired, they'll just leave it as it is. Or if they cannot find any of the eventually missing frames, they won't put in any new ones unless the final results look like it was originally supposed to.

With high enough resolution (2K is actually enough for most productions), as well as uncompressed scans to work with and good source material, there are incredible possibilites for a re-release. Dirt, damages, scratches and mold were never intended to be seen in a feature film, just like chroma noise from Laserdisc isn't making the final result look anywhere near the intended image of that very same feature. DVD was certainly a step up but not really preferable on modern displays. Blu-Ray is decent but really not more. And UHD-BD... Well, now we're talking. :)

So please, get out of your trenches and see the possibilites with digital instead of the obstacle of it not being analog (which is the most illogical statement ever). I mean... third gen theatrical 35mm prints didn't look very pretty. A 2K DCP would give you results much closer to the intended look.

Resolution isn't the only factor. Smoothness and filmic quality is more important and LD has it in spades.

Like Sooty said, LD is like the finest pencil drawn on the finest paper with the finest hand but DVD and blu ray are just a guy watching a movie of the guy doing that drawing and trying to redraw it but only using a square tipped marker...

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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc vs DVD
Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 14:04 

Seriously, who’s the real idiot? Forper or someone who shoves the same facts down his neck every 6-8 weeks on command with zero results?
First of all, what makes you think my post was aimed to Forper? And second, if you've stated that Blu-Rays on CRT is like "Laserdisc with more colors", I would dissuade you from asking who's an idiot.

Ertoili: Blu-Ray has too many flaws to be any more than decent if you ask me. 4:2:0 sub-sampling and 8-bit color depth are certainly limitations that affects the final image, but it's actually possible to watch a well-mastered Blu-Ray in a movie theater without hurting your eyes so it's certainly watchable.

Personally I rather see less sub-sampling and higher bit depth than higher resolution, but since UHD-BD has it all I am certainly fond of that medium.

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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc vs DVD
Posted: 28 Oct 2017, 01:21 

There is no need to keep talking about it. I think you covered the entire topic right there. DVD sucks, MPEG2 sucks, we all know this, who cares? Especially now that DVD is only being kept alive to keep Red Box in business and things like that. It’s almost an afterthought now for studios. It’s over. We won. We complained when LD died and we kept complaining until we got something better. Good for all of us.

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 Post subject: Re: CX encoding
Posted: 03 Nov 2017, 18:04 

Techmoan recently posted a video on CX Encoding as pertaining to LP technology:

CX Discs : Better, Worse & the Same as a normal record - A Forgotten Format
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5XCvsNUkmI

He does mention at the end that the technology was incorporated into both CED and LD, but focuses mainly on LPs for the video.

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Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 17:21 

I can't figure out what you're trying to say here.

Are these "discs you can never find a copy of at less than a ridiculous price"? Or is it "discs you will never buy, no matter how cheap, or how many copies you encounter"?
Because, seriously, "The Venus Wars" is neither rare nor expensive.

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Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 18:24 

I agree to a point, Late JP releases etc, but Criterion editions?

I find Criterions all the time, a few I've found for a dollar or less.

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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc vs DVD
Posted: 04 Dec 2017, 09:51 

Well....not all BD are DNRed...have watched recently "Venus Wars" (1986) it keeps all the original grain if you like that I recommend you.

Does it look like it does on LD (natural) or does the grain look artificial and overcompensated for? Blu Ray has a tendency to bring out defects much more than they were originally seen even without remastering.

This happened on a number of Japanese anime film re releases. One I have is the Macross DYRL? DVD remaster boxset and the grain looks terrible and over done, much prefer my super natural Perfect Edition LD box. The first LD I ever owned too.

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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc vs DVD
Posted: 05 Dec 2017, 17:36 

No, not really. While grain is technically possible on Laserdisc, it's never really what you see in major features. For films shot on 8mm (and, in best case, 16mm) Laserdisc could have some of the grain remaining although the noise of the medium itself will most likely be overwhelming. For 35mm, the grain is simply too small in order to be intact on Laserdisc.

With high enough resolution and decent compression algorithms, both H.264 and H.265 are capable of represent the grain of pretty much any film regardless of stock. And this can then be used for home video distribution.

I recommend having a look at Arrow's Blu-Rays for anyone who doubts my statement. They put more effort into their masters than Criterion and it looks fantastic. Easily among the most film-like experiences you can have in your own home.

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 Post subject: Re: Laserdisc vs DVD
Posted: 08 Dec 2017, 09:22 

Yeah I can def see the grain in my Macross DYRL? Perfect Edition LDs

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Posted: 14 Feb 2018, 21:52 

My English ( released in Japan ) anime.

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Posted: 14 Feb 2018, 21:52 

Continued

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Posted: 25 Apr 2018, 08:16 

Yep one of my favourite movies and one of my faves on LD! Have the special edition box set, so good.

I mean for me '80s blockbuster action/sci fi movies are an essential part of my LD collection, just the perfect way to watch (and hear!) them. Bring back that feeling of being a kid again that the DVDs and BDs just don't because they were never actually seen like they were released on BD. The LD experience is closer to the original way these movies were actually seen at the time. In analogue. They've got that old "feel" as well, That's important to me.
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