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Posted: 30 Oct 2011, 12:48 

A useful list compiled by Tony Kwong ( tkmedia on LDDb) still maintained on AVSForum :

UPDATE : if the device is crossed then it has been moved to the Hardware Database. => https://www.lddb.com/hardware/part/ac3rf/

Demodulators :arrow: See the Hardware Database list on AC3RF

ada RFD-1 (1c out)
B&K DT1 (1c, 1o, 1c out) [Manual]
EAD Smart Cable (demodulator on a coax cable)
JBL Synthesis RFD-1 [Manual]
Kenwood DEM-999D (1c out) [Manual]
Kenwood DEM-9991D (1c, 1o, 1c out) [Manual]
Lexicon LDD-1 (1c, 1o, 1c out) [Manual]
McIntosh RFD-2 (1c, 1o, 1c out, 1o out)
Meridian 519 (1c out, 1o out) [Manual]
Nakamichi DE-1 (1c out)
Pioneer RFD-1 (1c, 1o, 1c out, 1o out) [Japanese Manual] [Service Manual]
Sony MOD-RF1 (1c out, 1o out) [Manual] [Service Manual]
Yamaha APD-1(1c out, 1o out) [Japanese Manual] [English Manual] [Service Manual]
Yamaha APD-2(1c out, 1o out) [Japanese Manual]

Processor :arrow: See the Hardware Database list on AC3 and DTS

ADCOM GDD-1 (2c in, 1o in, 5.1out, 5.1in, db25 5.1 out) [Manual]
Angstrom Director 200
Angstrom 195
Chiro C-5.1 (1o, 1c, db25 5.1 out)
Denon AVD-2000 (2c, 2o, 1o out, 5.1out, 5.1in) [Manual]
Harman Kardon ADP-303 (1c, 1o, 5.1out, 5.1in) [Manual]
JVVC AC-3 Decoder Prototype
Marantz DP-870 (1c, 1o, 5.1out, 5.1in) [Manual]
McIntosh MAC-3 (4c, 4o, 4c out, 4o out, 5.1 out) [Manual]
McIntosh MSD4 (4c, 4o, 5.1out, 2ch in) [Manual]
Onkyo ED-901 (1c/1o, db25 5.1out) [Manual]
Parasound P/DD 1500 (1c, 1o, db25 5.1out, 2ch) [Manual]
Parasound P/DD 1550 (1c, 1o, db25 5.1out, 2ch) [Manual]
Pioneer Elite SP-99D (1c, 1o, LineIn1 L/R, LineIn2 L/R/C/R for ProLogic, 5.1out=L/R/C mono x2/L/R/LFE mono x2)
Pioneer Elite SP-D07 (1c, 1o, LineIn1 L/R, LineIn2 L/R/C/R for ProLogic, 5.1out=L/R/C mono x2/L/R/LFE mono x2)
Pioneer SP-D07 (1c, 1o, LineIn1 L/R, LineIn2 L/R/C/R for ProLogic, 5.1out=L/R/C mono x2/L/R/LFE mono x2)
Rotel RDA 980 (2c, 5.1 out, db25 5.1in) [Manual]
Sony SDP-EP9ES (1c, 3o, 1o out, 5.1out, 5.1in) [Manual]
Sony SDP-EP90ES (same as above unit but with MPEG audio decoding for EU)
Sony SDP-E800 (1c, 3o, 1o out, 5.1 out) [Manual]
Yamaha DDP-1 (1c, 1o, 5.1out) [Manual]

Preamp :arrow: See the Hardware Database list on Preamp
Adcom GTP-740 (4c, 1o)
Adcom GTP-750 (4c, 1o)
B&K AVP 1030 (5c)
Denon AVP-8000 (2c, 3o, 1o out)
Denon AVP-8000DTS (2c, 3o, 1o out)
Denon AVP-A1 (2c, 3o, 1o out, 5.1 in
Integra RDC-7 (5c, 3o, 1c out, 1o out)
Kenwood KC-Z1 (4o, 4o, 1c out, 1o out)
Krell Audio+Video Standard
Marantz AV-550 (1c, 1o)
Marantz AV9000 (2c, 2o, 1c out, 1o out)
Sherwood Newcastle AVP-9080 (1c, 1o)
Sony TA-E9000ES (3c, 5o, 1o out)
Theta Casablanca (AUX Digital input card, 2 AC-3 RF inputs)
Theta Casablanca II (AUX Digital input card, 2 AC-3 RF inputs)

AV receiver/integrated amp :arrow: See the Hardware Database list on A/V Receiver
Denon AVC-A1 (1c, 3o, , 1o out, 5.1in)
Denon AVC-A1D (3c, 5o, 1o out)
Denon AVC-A1SE (3c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Denon AVC-A1SE upgrade (5c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Denon AVC-A1SR (5c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Denon AVC-A1SRA (5c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Denon AVC-A10SE (3c, 5o, 1o out)
Denon AVR-3200 (1c, 1o, 5.1in)
Denon AVR-3600 (1c, 1o)
Denon AVR-3600DTS (1c, 1o)
Denon AVR-5600 (1c, 3o, 1o out)
Denon AVR-5700 (3c, 5o, 1o out 7.1in)
Denon AVR-5800 (3c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Denon AVR-5800 upgrade (5c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Denon AVR-5803 (5c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Denon AVR-5803A (5c, 6o, 2o out, 2x7.1in)
Harman Kardon AVR-55 (1c, 1o)
Harman Kardon AVR-75 (1c, 1o)
Harman Kardon AVR-85 (1c, 1o)
Integra DTR-9.1 (5c, 3o, 1c, db25 7.1 in) (I believe this is only db25 5.1 in)
Kenwood KRV-990D
Marantz SR-14 (2c, 2o, 1c out, 1o out, 5.1 in)
Marantz SR-14EX (2c, 3o, 1c out, 1o out)
Marantz SR-14mkII (2c, 3o, 1c out, 1o out)
Marantz SR-18 (2c, 2o, 1o out, 1c out)
Marantz SR-580 (1c, 1o)
Marantz SR-680
Marantz SR-780 (1c, 1o)
Marantz SR-880 (1c, 1o)
Nakamichi IA-Tz
Onkyo TX-DS838 (1c, 1o)
Onkyo TX-DS939 (1c, 2o)
Onkyo TX-DS989 (5c, 3o, 1c out, 1o out, db25 7.1 in) (I believe this is only db25 5.1 in)
Onkyo TX-DS989v2 (5c, 3o, 1c out, 1o out, db25 7.1 in) (I believe this is only db25 5.1 in)
Pioneer SC-LX90
Pioneer SC-09TX
Pioneer VSA-AX10 (3c, 4o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-AX10Ai (3c, 3o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-AX10i (3c, 4o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-AX10i-N (3c, 4o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-AX5i (2c, 2o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-AX5i-N (2c, 2o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-AX5Ai-N (2c, 202o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-AX8 (2c, 3o, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-D10EX (2c, 3o)
Pioneer VSA-D10TX (2c, 2o, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSA-D2011-N (2c, 2o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-D7 (2c, 1o)
Pioneer VSA-D7EX (2c, 3o, 1o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSA-D8EX (2c, 3o, 2o out, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSA-D8TX (2c, 2o, 2o out, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSA-D9TX (2c, 1o)
Pioneer VSA-E06 (2c, 1o)
Pioneer VSA-E07 (2c, 2o, 1o out, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSA-E08 (2c, 3o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSX-05TX (2c, 1o) I can't find it anywhere!
Pioneer VSX-07TX
Pioneer VSX-09TX (2c, 1o)
Pioneer VSX-27TX (2c, 2o, 1o out)
Pioneer VSX-29TX (2c, 3o, 1o out, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSX-37TX (2c, 3o, 2o out, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSX-39TX (2c, 3o, 2o out, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSX-47TX (2c, 3o, 2o out, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSX-49TX (3c, 4o, 2o out)
Pioneer VSX-49TX upgrade (3c, 4o, 2o out)
Pioneer VSX-49TXi (3c, 4o, 2o out)
Pioneer VSX-59TXi (3c, 3o, 2o out)
Pioneer VSX-859RDS (2c, 3o, 2o out, 7.1 in)
Pioneer VSX-908RDS (2c, 2o, 5.1in)
Pioneer VSX-909
Pioneer VSX-909RDS (2c, 3o, 7.1in)
Pioneer VSX-99 (1c)
Pioneer VSX-D3S (1c)
Pioneer VSX-D606S
Pioneer VSX-D906S (2c, 1o)
Pioneer VSX-D99
Pioneer VSX-V555 (1c)
Sherwood Newcastle R-925RDS (1c, 1o)
Sherwood Newcastle R-945 (1c, 1o)
Sherwood Newcastle R-945mkII (1c, 1o)
Sherwood Newcastle R-945RDS (1c, 1o)
Sony STR-DA80 ES (1c, 4o, 1o out)
Sony STR-DA90 ES
Sony STR-DE915 (2o, 2o out)
Sony STR-DE1015G
Teac AG-D9100 (1c, 1o) (I don't think this one has AC3RF input)
Toshiba XB-1507 (1c, 1o)
Toshiba XB-2000 (1c, 1o)
Yamaha DSP-A1 (3c, 5o, 1o out, 5.1in)
Yamaha DSP-A2 (1c, 4o, 1o out, 5.1in)
Yamaha DSP-AZ1 (3c, 7o, 3o out, 5.1in)
Yamaha DSP-A3090 (1c, 5o, 1o out)
Yamaha DSP-Z9 (3c, 8o, 3o out)
Yamaha RX-V1 (3c, 7o, 1o out, 5.1in)
Yamaha RX-V1GL (3c, 7o, 1o out, 5.1in) I can't find it anywhere!
Yamaha RX-V1000 (2c, 4o, 2o out, 5.1in) (NOTE: RDS MODEL DOES NOT HAVE AC-3RF)
Yamaha RX-V3000 (not all models have AC-3RF)(2c, 5o, 2o out, 5.1in) (NOTE: RDS MODEL DOES NOT HAVE AC-3RF)
Yamaha RX-V3000GL (not all models have AC-3RF)(2c, 5o, 2o out, 5.1in) I can't find it anywhere!
Yamaha RX-Z1 (3c, 7o, 3o out, 5.1in)
Yamaha RX-Z9 (5c, 8o, 3o out, 7.1in)

Optional
Audionet MAPV2 (optional internal AC-3 Demod)
Classe SSP-25 Processor
Madrigal Proceed AVP Audio Video Preamp(optional internal AC-3 Demod)
Madrigal Proceed AVP2 Audio Video Preamp(optional internal AC-3 Demod)
Madrigal Proceed PDS Digital Surround Decoder(optional internal AC-3 Demod)
Parasound RFD-1 demodulator ("For Use Only With Parasound AVC-2500 or AVC-2500u")
Theta Casa Nova (optional RF demodulator)
Linn 5103 (4c, 1o)

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Posted: 07 Jul 2019, 13:27 

Found and ordered a DVD with a 6 track Waseda '86 set

https://www.amazon.co.jp/REBECCA-Maybe-Tomorrow-Secret-Complete/dp/B071VR6HN1/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_ja_JP=%E3%82%AB%E3%82%BF%E3%82%AB%E3%83%8A&keywords=rebecca+DVD&qid=1558950103&s=gateway&sr=8-2

There's also an out of print (and expensive on y!jp) box set called Rebecca Archives with a book and 2 DVD set that has the Waseda '89 show that the OP I think was originally referring to.

Cool to hear. They released a lot since I posted this :) They also made a tour which I could not go over and see! Anyway, if you like Rebecca, get the dreams on concert too, that one is very good too. https://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/50456/CSLM-189/Rebecca:-Dreams-On-1990119

But the early ones are the best.

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Posted: 08 Jan 2022, 17:11 

I don’t know how it worked in Japan but I assume the same way but with more diligent trashing. :)

We only get the Samples/Not For Sale copies floating around, but they are 99.9% identical to the regular releases.

I don't know if returns were destroyed or later re-offered priced-down in a different cover/obi.

Would be fun to find a sample copy of a cancelled title though (like the USA VHD prototypes).

Julien

Ive been dealing japanese records for 20 years now and LDs Ive been collection for atleast 10. I feel pretty confident in saying that they never had a cutout system like the one they had in the US.

I would say the US was alone with such large numbers of cutouts. Since the 70s those cutouts where exporterted to Europe in huse numbers too. In sweden we did have a low price series, where the company sometimes would withdrawl cds, just to sell them back for half the price. So it was NICE PRICE-series.


But I know for sure, they never did this with vinyls, and never seen it on CD either, in Japan. I do think it got to do with that the quanitity was well calculated. As soon as an album got a NICE PRICE-price it would change the catalogue number. So I guess it was the same way with LDs.

And its a bit different to have an overstock of 200lds or 2 000 000 cds if one album. :) Then getting their money back, which they pay in advance is high priority.

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Posted: 09 Jan 2022, 11:06 

Not using the cutout system is one thing but not even Japan can correctly guess how many copies of everything will be needed. That’s…hilariously magically impossible. There must have been some other way of dumping the crap nobody wanted. Maybe the stores did it individually or they just marked stuff down to nothing and blew them out.

Ofcourse. But compared to US.. that i believe actually over used this system to avoid fees and licenses and be able to sell their records much cheaper. I mean, pretty much all albums exist with cut outs, no matter how good selling the albums was. Springsteen, jackson, metallica, kiss and so on. (Cds). I think they saw the cut out system as a good way to sell albums to customers that wouldnt buy that artist for full price.

In japan, where the retail price was fixed, they cant sell it with the same obi if they lower the price. I can look up a very few situations where they repriced the same catalogue number later.

I dont know how it works in japan. But in sweden, and most of EU... In order to get most of your money that you paid in advance for the copyright owners, you have to destroy your overstock. So here.. the companies would never be able to withdraw albums to later sell them for 1usd. They would make a loss on at least 3usd for each album.

I think they simply used a regulat sale at the stores to get rid of the overstock. Just like we had to here in sweden.

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Posted: 09 Jan 2022, 20:48 

Good points.

Another thing I didn’t mention up there is that usually in the crap bin there weren't individual SKUs anymore. They were usually just “cutout $1.99” regardless if it were Portishead or Pet Shop Boys.

Also, one of my favorite LDs is a cutout. Lou Reed and John Cale’s Songs for Drella. This easily beats the actual studio version on CD. I got it as a cutout on sale from Lumivision’s website, IIRC. It was “cheap” but I don’t remember how much. It wasn’t $1.44 for sure, more like $16 maybe.

haha exactly! there are people here in Sweden that basically made a living, importing US-cut outs to Sweden :) Thats how many people would get artists that wasnt even known here in Europe as well. Tons of rap, hh, RnB I recall from my days as an record store employee,
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