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 Post subject: Re: Pioneer or Panasonic?
Posted: 02 Sep 2015, 00:26 

If were going for cosmetic looks, the Runcos(Lx900 clones) always looked nice!!!

Just my two-cents :mrgreen:

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Posted: 17 Jan 2020, 21:39 

Unless you have a UPS or a really good surge suppressor then unplugging old stuff is the safest thing to do. Aside from power fluctuations though leaving it plugged in forever is usually fine.

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Posted: 17 Jan 2020, 21:57 

I unplug most things I'm not currently using. I have so much stuff a lot of it is packed away.

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Posted: 18 Jan 2020, 01:16 

If your power supply ever fails due to something like this, it doesn't necessarily mean your player is dead and gone. It could be as simple as replacing a fuse. Either way it is probably more repairable than a dead optical pickup.

I leave my players unplugged when I'm not using them.

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Posted: 30 Apr 2020, 08:40 

Nearly everything on Gr€€dBay is overvalued. Half the people on it think hoarding old tat will pay for their retirement.

It won't.

In the future, a lot of stuff will end up as photos in history books or museum relics because the new generation has no emotional attachment to the stuff that older generations treasure or feel nostalgic towards.

In the case of media, games, books etc, it is all digital. A throwaway society built on capitalism and materialism.

They just don't, and won't care. People will end up dying with their tat.

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Posted: 25 Aug 2020, 01:00 

The Abyss

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Posted: 25 Aug 2020, 05:23 

Okay, pulled out something special. This is the "anamorphic" version of "the fugitive". yes, that's right, it is one of those few sample promo discs from the USA that is anamorphic:

Fugitive, The (1993) [16904]

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Posted: 25 Aug 2020, 05:27 

...and more anamorphic laserdisc content.

Test Disc for Wide Television, The (1995) [SRLW 1726]
(all 41 samples available in full size here: Test Disc Samples )

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Posted: 30 Aug 2020, 22:16 

I thought I'd edit this post to make it another exciting comparison...

Disney's Sing Along Songs: Fun With Music (1989)

Big difference? The US release was "Fun With Music" (1989) and the international release "101 Notes of Fun" (1994).
"101 Notes of Fun" replaces "Let's All Sing Like the Birdies Sing" with "Cruella de Vil", and the reprise to "Why Should I Worry?" is replaced with the reprise to "Cruella de Vil".

Disney's Sing Along Songs Vol. 4: Be Our Guest/Fun With Music (1992 US LD):

Disney's Sing Along Songs Vol. 11: 101 Notes of Fun (1995 JP LD):

And as a bonus, the title card to "Old Mac Donald Had a Band"
Disney's Sing Along Songs: Fun With Music (1989 VHS):

Disney's Sing Along Songs Vol. 4: Be Our Guest/Fun With Music (1992 LD):

The US LD and VHS were captured last year with Roxio Easy VHS to DVD Plus 3, respectively from a CLD-D505 and a VHS/DVD combo unit.
The JP LD was captured a few days ago with Canopus ADVC-110 and WinDV from my CLD-990.

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Posted: 02 Sep 2020, 05:36 

"Ask not what you can do for SuperNTSC, but what SuperNTSC can do for your laserdiscs". I've mentioned SuperNTSC a few times, so i thought i share some SuperNTSC captures done with my SuperNTSC decoder: Faroudja CFD-SN (I've also figured out why, and how to correct, the aspect ratio of my pictures).

There's probably no reason to watch this movie on laserdisc, although i have heard that it is the only true theatrical release, the DVD and all later releases are altered somehow... this is the first SuperNTSC example: Star Wars: The Phantom Menace (1999) [PILF-2830]

All 16 samples

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Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 04:11 

Star Trek VIII: First Contact (1996) [LV332433-WS] I believe this is SuperNTSC too.

All 18 samples

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Posted: 11 Nov 2020, 05:51 

Here's another LD/DVD comparison...

Disney's Sing Along Songs: Circle Of Life (1994)

Now, there's a huge difference between the LD and DVD editions. The 1994 LD and VHS is hosted by Jiminy Cricket, while the 2002 DVD has title cards and a male African announcer reading them. Plus, on the DVD, five additional songs are placed between "Everybody Wants to Be a Cat" and "When You Wish Upon a Star": "Hakuna Matata", "The Lion Sleeps Tonight", "Yummy, Yummy, Yummy", "W-I-L-D", and "Jungle Rhythm".

And what's more, on the DVD, "Part of Your World" and "Everybody Wants to Be a Cat" has slightly updated text and timing for the lyrics, while all the others are the exact same as the original.

1994 LaserDisc:

2002 DVD:

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Posted: 11 Nov 2020, 06:10 

And here's something cool...

An LD/VCD comparison of The Secret of NIMH (1982)

1990 US LD:

1994 US Philips CD-i:

And the resolution for the Philips CD-i is 352x240.

There's also one thing in common: Side 1 of the LD ends after the Brisby kids tie Jeremy up. Same thing with Disc 1 of the CD-i edition.

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Posted: 11 Nov 2020, 06:22 

One more comparison...

You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown (1985)

You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown 1995 LD:

You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown 2010 DVD:

Why, Charlie Brown, Why? (1990)

You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown 1995 LD:

Peanuts Emmy Honored Collection 2015 DVD:

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Posted: 07 Dec 2020, 20:59 

Here is what disclord wrote awhile ago....

Panasonic LX-600 and LX-900

Not sure if it will answer all your question but it's a start.

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Posted: 10 Dec 2020, 23:03 

From what I have read and in my opinion:

Technically, the LX-900 is the superior of them all and considered the best Panasonic laserdisc player.
The LX-600 is built like the LX-900, but a subpar model and it is missing some of the hardware of the desirable LX-900.
The LX-H680 has AC3-RF output, which I believe is the only Panasonic model to have it from the factory, if not a handful of others?
The LX-H670 does not have AC3-RF output and is very likely to be similar to the LX-H680.
The LX-1000 has flaws with tracking discs and video noise making the picture look very poorly. There is a service bulletin for fixing the crosstalk issue regarding this model.

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Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 11:10 

I assume the screenshots to the right are of the LX-900?
I think you are too concerned about your players. The only screenshot that bothers me is the left one at the bottom. It is more noisier than the others, but nothing problematic unless the disc breaks up during play and makes it unwatchable. Seems like the brightness in the picture is causing the lines to appear more visually, so maybe the LX-H670 is more soft and bright in terms of picture color? How about adjusting your set according to this player and see if that makes a difference?
Laserdisc is an analog format and no disc is perfect, some players are doing a better job "hiding" what you would consider a blemish or fault.

I think you can relax and keep recording laserdiscs off of the LX-900 for personal use, you don't want to crap out on quality and go for a player with lower standards than the best Panasonic player out there?

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Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 21:29 

I think either:
A: The LX-H670 is out of alignment and the discs are fine.
B: The LX-H670 is only slightly out of alignment and the discs are slightly warped.

See: Is this laserdisc rot or warped laserdisc? Will it get worse and try signofzeta's paper test.

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Posted: 14 Dec 2020, 02:24 

I agree with cplusplus but I'm leaning toward just the H670 needing some alignment.

My Pioneer 704 had such an issue when playing mainly Side B and it was the entire mechanism that was out of alignment by a few millimeters (probably dropped or dinged in shipping). I literally used my hand to bend it back ever so gently and used my 703 as a reference on where it needed to be. It has been great ever since.

It's definitely not a disc issue as you already proved that to yourself in that the bad discs played fine on the 900.

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Posted: 14 Dec 2020, 08:39 

How do I align the lx-h670? Is there a video to help me through the process? I know on the Sega Dreamcast it's as simple as turning a small screw like object to make the laser read discs better. Is it similar on laserdisc players? What do you mean bend something? Something is bent out of shape in my lx-h670?

I did not imply that your player has the same bent mechanism issue as my player but definitely something is affecting it.

The best approach at this point is to open the unit and play the offending discs @ the exact point you are having the issue and simply observe what is going on. You have to be patient in this regard since you really don't want to mess with anything until you can see what is happening and relay what you see to us. Once we have have more info, we can do our best to provide a logical next step.

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Posted: 14 Dec 2020, 18:56 

Are saying that the wobble seems more pronounced on the H670 vs. the 900?

If that is the case, then maybe the H670 clamper is not properly locking down the disc. I have 12 working players and none of them (except the 704 I mentioned before that is now fixed) have ever had a skipping issue because of a warp.

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Posted: 14 Dec 2020, 19:14 

NO PLAYER of ANY PRICE POINT is “designed” to read warped or rotted discs. I already mentioned this in another thread and it’s things that this that make me wonder if you’re actually reading all the advice you’re getting. If you asked any engineer from any LD player making company back in the day what the solution is for warped/rotted discs the answer would be the same every time, throw it away and buy another copy.

You need to calm down and begin a process of condemning or clearing every suspected fault in your setup/collection. Once done, don’t go back and spend time on diagnosis already done.

1: are the discs warped? I already explained in another thread that warping is a physical phenomenon that can me measured. If your discs are warped less than “.002 or so then they aren’t warped bad enough to ruin playback. You don’t have to wonder about it. Prove that the discs is warped or not and then stop thinking about it!

2: rot is usually colored snow. If you see a lot of colored snow you have rot. If you still enjoy the disc, keep it, maybe make a note to put in there for yourself in case you don’t watch it again for years. If you don’t like the colored snow or it plays till it locks or something, throw it away.

3: the players. Play a known-good disc of long running time in CAV and other in CLV on both sides. If one player plays these discs then it’s good, stop worrying about it. If there is an issue with one player or both then you need someone to repair the players.

That’s your roadmap, stick to it. Since I’m genuinely interested in your success I’m willing to send you some known-good discs for free if you PM me your address. They may not be great movies but I will play test every minute of them because you need a reference point.

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Posted: 19 Mar 2021, 15:35 

I've owned both the DVL-919 and the LX-900.

Picture wise it's no question, the 900 wins. The 919 isn't much better than a CLD-60x player. I'd say the only advantages the 919 has over the LX-900 is it having a stock AC-3 RF output and the ability to access individual fields rather than frames during frame step.

As far as playing flawed discs, I don't think either is any better. The only players that have any advantages in flawed discs in my understanding are the later dedicated LD only players like the LD-S2, HLD-X9, HLD-X0 due to their better lasers and clamping mechanisms built specifically for LD rather than for LD and CD. Of course, this is only from me reading about them and not actually seeing them in action.
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