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Posted: 15 Feb 2020, 21:15 

blam1 wrote:
The black ones (VNL1779) are much better than the composite material gray ones (VNL1700) were built with.

The 504 used the first M-Holder (VNL1637) which is the really bad one and probably gives the 1700 a bit of a bad rap.

As in - don't even think of shipping a 104/504/early 2800.
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