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| drecksoft |
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Posted: 25 Mar 2023, 21:43
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That's not so uncommon.
Werner - Beinhart! (1990) [51397]
The first comment says, there is a second cover version. That's correct, I do have both. And this is not the only one. |
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| rein-o |
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Posted: 25 Mar 2023, 22:58
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Looks like someone needs to add this and explain that there is a different cover in the comments unless you can get a good image of that other cover
and send it to the admin.
I can't remember now but there are other discs and they have multiple posts on the database. |
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Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 00:24
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Criterion's releases of Taxi Driver are another example of this: there are two versions of CC1219L, and three versions of CC1218L.
(And there are probably plenty of examples where two publishers happened to choose the same numbering scheme, e.g. 10004 and 10004.) |
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| rein-o |
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Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 00:53
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| Oh yeah, I remember seeing Taxi Driver at Tower Video back in the day, the red with black border was the first issue, uncertain on which was second now. |
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Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 01:15
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There are plenty examples of the same disc w/ a different cover and retaining the same catalog number. Here are two more examples and they are documented twice on the database....
Into the Woods:
Into the Woods (1991) [ID8285MB]
Into the Woods (1991) [ID8285MB]
Robocop:
Robocop (1987) [ID5168]
Robocop (1987) [ID5168]
You can hit the "update" button on the existing disc and provide details of a different cover and also upload the image of the cover as well. Julien will know what to do with it. |
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Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 05:37
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Happened a LOT.
Usually cover design needed to be updated for additional UPC, change of publishing rights (companies merging, contracts expiring), change of style (VHS-size vs. full covers, different artists), price update, Digital Audio remaster, inclusion in a new series, etc.
Cover update : Above the Law (1988) [1178613] vs Above the Law (1988) [1178613]
https://www.lddb.com/cover/ld/24301-24400/thumb/24353.jpg https://www.lddb.com/cover/ld/59001-59100/thumb/59003.jpg
Gene Shalit's Critics Choice ( double combo ! VHS to full + change of collection):
Double Indemnity (1944) [21004]
Invisible Man, The (1933) [23007]
Touch of Evil (1958) (Uncut) [21010]
https://www.lddb.com/cover/ld/45301-45400/thumb/45304.jpg https://www.lddb.com/cover/ld/53001-53100/thumb/53038.jpg https://www.lddb.com/cover/ld/01901-02000/thumb/01939.jpg
Encore Edition :
Double Indemnity (1944) [21004]
Invisible Man, The (1933) [23007]
Touch of Evil (1958) (Uncut) [21010]
https://www.lddb.com/cover/ld/01901-02000/thumb/01937.jpg https://www.lddb.com/cover/ld/01901-02000/thumb/01950.jpg https://www.lddb.com/cover/ld/43201-43300/thumb/43261.jpg
Sometimes they would update the catalog number, sometimes not.
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Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 12:14
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rein-o wrote: Looks like someone needs to add this and explain that there is a different cover in the comments unless you can get a good image of that other cover
and send it to the admin.
I guess that would probably have to be me since I've got that green variant cover. |
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Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 12:47
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Sometimes the same release got 2 covers, to address 2 different markets.
Ex: Outrageous Fortune (1987) [569 AS 1] and Outrageous Fortune (1987) [569 AS 2]
West of Mississippi river
https://www.lddb.com/cover/ld/00601-00700/thumb/00637.jpg
East of Mississippi river
https://www.lddb.com/cover/ld/56201-56300/thumb/56286.jpg
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| signofzeta |
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Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 14:33
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So the knowledge I should take from this conversation is that a multitude of laserdiscs are out there with different cover art but that if they have the same reference ID I can be confident that at least the disc has the same content, at least if the title is the same? Also that lddb.com CAN accomodate multiple instances of the same reference ID's becuase the database uses a different unique identifier for each recognized disc type.
https://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/24353/1178613/Above-the-Law
https://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/59003/1178613/Above-the-Law
In this case the identifiers seem to be 24353 and 59003 whch I guess are incremental numbers handed out as people discover new discs. :-)
I suppose since neither of the two "Father Christmas" discs are in my hands I should not attempt to generate a new item until I do so. Also, I should be encouraged to do so for any discs that I do have that may not be represented as shown in the database even if it is only a cover difference.
Please correct me if these are NOT the set of ideas I should finish with. :-)
Thank you, everyone for clearing this up for me. :-)
What you should be taking away from this is that you care way too much about completeness and correctness. The people who MADE THIS STUFF didn’t even care as much as you do. This ain’t like Star Wars toys or Yugioh cards where every single thing came from the same company at the same time and is all fully accounted for with ease. “Collect them all.” is a thing that can be done if you’re rich enough and if it’s designed to be done by the people who made it all. Tens of thousands of LDs came from hundreds of plants and publishers in a dozen countries over a period of decades. You cannot…”know it”, ever. Not even with LDDB.
Covers change while catalog items retain the same number…not just LDs. Books, records, tapes, model kits, toothpaste, pretty much everything that stays in manufacture long enough. You change the number when it matters and is helpful, not to soothe mental illness. The idea of a “complete collection” in LD is…much newer than LD…a childish idea, wildly impractical to attempt and totally impossible to achieve. You’re going to have to punch out once in a while and relax.
BTW, I have the Father Xmas with the obi. Let me know if you have any questions about it.
There at least two actually different LDs of The Snowman. One has the Bowie intro and one doesn’t. There may be more but those also may just be reprints of the same thing. |
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Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 16:24
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Looks like someone needs to add this and explain that there is a different cover in the comments unless you can get a good image of that other cover
and send it to the admin.
I guess that would probably have to be me since I've got that green variant cover.
I really meant for the OP to do it so they can help by adding the title. |
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Posted: 27 Mar 2023, 19:27
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Another reason to update the cover: UNIVERSAL changing it's logo after 1990.
Most SF0xx-nnnn tiles in the Hitchcock Library got a PILF re-release. Somehow this one kept the same catalog number.
Rear Window (1954) [SF047-1589]
https://www.lddb.com/cover/ld/49601-49700/thumb/49609.jpg
Rear Window (1954) [SF047-1589]
https://www.lddb.com/cover/ld/50701-50800/thumb/50792.jpg
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| drecksoft |
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Posted: 27 Mar 2023, 20:59
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There are even worse things: Same cover, same catalog number but one version in full screen, one in widescreen. So different content here. The ONLY difference is a sticker on the later one.
Lethal Weapon (1987) [11709 LD]
Or here where there are two covers but to know if you have the "fixed" version of the disc, you have to look at the mint marks.
Eagles: Hell Freezes Over (1994) [ID4065GF] |
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Posted: 27 Mar 2023, 21:58
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There are even worse things: Same cover, same catalog number but one version in full screen, one in widescreen. So different content here. The ONLY difference is a sticker on the later one.
Lethal Weapon (1987) [11709 LD]
Or here where there are two covers but to know if you have the "fixed" version of the disc, you have to look at the mint marks.
Eagles: Hell Freezes Over (1994) [ID4065GF]
Same story with Three Caballeros, The/Saludos Amigos (1944) (Uncut) [5716 CS] .
Most of what I've seen on eBay are the botched audio pressings of side 5. (Well, not exactly botched...just misplaced) |
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Posted: 28 Mar 2023, 13:19
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Thanks list