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| signofzeta |
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Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 06:54
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Rot can get so bad that the player can't play it so...pretty bad. Rot in general though is really, honestly, pretty rare. Its really just certain eras of discs from certain plants. At least %99 of all discs have no trace of it.
If you are talking about Fifth Element, The (1997) [82406] then supposedly its just a matter of getting the right pressing.
If you're a big fan of the movie you could just get the BR for $10 and not worry about it. |
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Posted: 19 Jul 2023, 07:35
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Hello!
I had some information about the US releases initially but stripped them from the database because they were inconsistent.
Would it be useful to add them (with a cute logo)?
For USA => G, PG, PG-13, R, NC-17, M, X, unrated
For UK => U, PG, 12, 15, 18, R18
For HK => I, IIa, IIb, III
France used to have 13 and 18, now it seems to be 10, 12, 16, 18.
Don't know about Canada , other European countries, Australia ...
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| confederate |
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Posted: 03 Jan 2025, 16:32
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Hi! That was one of the best and most interesting and entertaining things I have read on this forum for a while. Thank you!!!
Funny story about Willow.
Do you remember the last discs that were pressed at the plant and the title ? Do you have some discs at home ? |
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| signofzeta |
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Posted: 03 Jan 2025, 19:42
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| The terms are synonymous, yes. |
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| signofzeta |
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Posted: 03 Jan 2025, 19:51
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Home video was very exciting at that time. There were still loads of back catalog titles coming out that had at that point never been released before. Pre-code movies were having their scenes cut back in. Criterion was on a roll. LD players were advancing all the time, as were the discs. Home theater had yet to be reduced to streaming and soundbars. There was an amazing $500 LD box from Japan every month.
It was a slow fall from that to 2025, where “home theater section” now means “Netflix gift cards”. DVD was the start of it but there was no one single factor. |
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| signofzeta |
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Posted: 03 Jan 2025, 19:59
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I would assume there is a similar competing product. Novus isn’t exactly 3M in their expertise and there are a lot of people out there making paper towels.
The other thing you have to keep in mind is that for something to scratch something it has to be harder than the thing being scratched. Old %100 cotton T shirts are way softer than LDs and will never scratch them. |
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Posted: 03 Jan 2025, 20:05
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Does anyone in France or elsewhere still own this specific PAL formatted 1997 France widescreen laserdisc of Oliver and Company by Disney ? I need help digitizing it.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/126548510899
I bought this specific 1997 France dub widescreen PAL laserdisc of Walt Disney’s Oliver & Company (1988) along with its French SECAM VHS counterpart. When both of them were released in France in 1997, both of them were said by Disney to be the original theatrical 35mm print and not the 1996 rerelease version. Reasons for the original version of the movie to be released exclusively in France is unknown. The reason I bought both of them is not because of the French dub but these prints were never uploaded or found anywhere in short clips on the internet. I first scanned and digitized the VHS (SECAM format) and I managed to share it online. While the whole movie in the tape is almost visually the same as the U.S. vhs prints, the Disney logos were different. Here this foreign vhs preserved the 1985 version of Disney’s castle logo while the U.S. preserves the 1991 versions from the 1996 theatrical reissued print.
Here is the footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3biqiGbjbyg
I bought the laserdisc for the same reason to know if the older 1985 version of the logo from 1988 is also preserved in that disc but in higher quality and widescreen aspect ratio. However because I’m in the United States we don’t have old or used pal laserdisc players so I have to buy it online meaning I have to waste my entire bank account to buy it so I can scan and digitize it to the we. I did buy a video transfer-cable converter Elago. If anyone owns this pal laserdisc and have the pal format or ntsc/pal multi format laserdisc player with you, try to scan and digitize it. I just want to see what the French laserdisc video footage looks like because no one has shared any laserdisc clip from the film online.
Since Disney only released the original theatrical print of Oliver and Company exclusively in France home video once, it will never be available in future U.S. home media, digital and Disney+ updated releases or in official 4K restored state. But recently a rare British widescreen theater capture recorded bootleg vhs of was leaked (LQ) confirming that the original version still exists somewhere outside Disney’s official storage facilities
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UngbHtVe1_c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtlDWlU67Qs
Even if I couldn’t digitize this laserdisc soon I bet someone else will. I know most European countries still support PAL as their format like the UK. Otherwise let me know what is the best used affordable PAL or NTSC laserdisc player that I could buy online. Let me know if you can try. Thank you.
Note: there are no additional or deleted scenes found in this print or U.S. home media prints. They are identical except for the Walt Disney Pictures logos and slight differed runtimes because this format is PAL and the U.S. is NTSC encoded.
But one deleted scene is presented here in the trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r42b0bRF9v0 |
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Posted: 03 Jan 2025, 22:52
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Very cool, welcome to the forum, Jeff (if that is your name)!
I remember buying my first CDs made at DADC (marked "Digital Audio Disc Corp.") in early 1985, after others that were likely from Japan (marked "CSR Compact Disc") (CBS-Sony Records). Yay, a plant right here in the USA. |
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Posted: 06 Jan 2025, 19:40
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Posted: 07 Jan 2025, 10:36
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Gold material must have prolonged durability to prevent future rot spoiling discs?
That was the assumption: that gold does not oxide and would provide longer storage.
MOFI sold tons of MFSL Ultradisc 24k Gold CD before moving to SACDs.
=> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_compact_disc
=> http://www.24-karat.de/mfsl/
=> https://web.archive.org/web/20130322131013/http://cdcollecting.com/gold-cds.html
Julien
This should at least have been a minimum standard in music and film industry using gold discs.
Wonder why manufacturers didn't set the standard using gold discs for physical media, must have cost a lot more to manufacture than cheap aluminum discs. |
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Posted: 07 Jan 2025, 15:23
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| Gold fever could make anyone greedy to steal the material. |
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Posted: 08 Jan 2025, 16:10
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So, to say quality sucked is not fair. Most of those discs are now 40 to 25 years old
Starting mid-90's the quality became really bad... but the discs played well fresh out of the factory.
They just quickly decayed.
I started importing at high costs (2x to 3x the US price) US LDs to France from 1996.
Lost Highway (1997) [ID3946PG] and Game, The (1997) [ID4260PG] still burn.
They started rotting within 6 months and were totally unplayable within 2 years.
I did contact DADC Terre Haute about these issues around 1999 and the reply was something like "we've stopped LD operations, not our problem anymore".
Classy.
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Posted: 08 Jan 2025, 16:51
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jeffelledge91 wrote: Wow this set discs was amazing! Very few dropouts and the surround sound was really good! 30 year old discs still perfect! Anyone else have it?
Next, try the DTS release!
=> Apollo 13 (1995) [43119]
It was a favorite of Home Theater showroom demos for a while.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2025, 02:03
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signofzeta wrote: “Evil”. What a moronic concept.
Star Wars is philosophy and religion for people afraid of philosophy and religion.
Nah, that's just Reddit. |
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Posted: 09 Jan 2025, 07:36
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Most recent successful snapshot was in July 2024 .
Now all I get is:
Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
Never managed to get much attention from CED to complete/confirm CED data on LDDb: CED Data base website maybe similar to lddb.com
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Posted: 10 Jan 2025, 17:18
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| The Dolby Surround soundtrack seems fine too, with some good low end. Too bad I don't have the AC3 for comparison. |
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Posted: 11 Jan 2025, 06:11
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Good Christ, a lot of these forums are just viscous. Kind of ruins the fun.
Ahh relax a little, signofzeta means well but you gotta have some thick skin around the elders. This forum is not like Reddit where everyone is treated like unicorns and rainbows. They’ll be straight with you. In all seriousness everyone is just trying to help. The more that we point out the better it’ll be for you if you stick with collecting and enjoying LD’s.
It’s better you find out now instead of 6 months later when you realize Dolby Surround is not the same as a AC3 release or a DTS release. Hard lessons now benefit the future. |
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Posted: 11 Jan 2025, 21:52
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Calling it now, it's a rotter and the seller was hoping to unload it on someone who doesn't even own a player.
Ha! It came, it’s perfect! No rot and no damage!
Hi jeffelledge91,
Congratulations on your successful purchase! Based on reading this discussion the other night, I got out my copy of this and spot checked all sides. Great news! Mine is also totally rot-free! :clap: That is despite being the Mitsubishi pressing, which is the one reported as being a notorious rotter. I bought my copy new in a local store many years ago, so I paid full list price for it way back then. I certainly appear to have gotten my money's worth on it, seeing how it has aged so well, and is still totally clean after all these years. The good news for you is that you obviously got a much better deal from a price standpoint than I did! Enjoy your new acquisition, my friend!
Best Regards,
David :wave: |
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Posted: 16 Jan 2025, 16:54
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gosh-darned Sunny
No way the helmet fits that bulky, oversized-eyes head!
(Also not where the eyes should be on a human face, the helmet is correct, the face is not)
Julien
Well... I was Rolling with that little Discrepancy... But, now that you Point it Out... I Just Cannot Unsee it any Longer.
That in Mind... i figure that This is a Touch Better;
https://hosting.photobucket.com/4d305f9f-e5ef-4bcd-b7ea-56f479d8af59/d33cede7-0b27-4329-a851-03adf4e4a44f.png
... I was into STAR WARS Big-Time as a Boy... and i've been continuously Big into Anime since Teenhood...
So i Figure that a Combo like this one is Practically Peanut Butter and Jelly ... YMMV. |
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Posted: 16 Jan 2025, 17:28
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| Like a dog that won’t stopping humping people’s legs. You kick him off and he leaves you alone for a while but eventually…right back to it. Doll pics. |
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Posted: 17 Jan 2025, 12:58
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| confederate |
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Posted: 18 Jan 2025, 23:04
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I have stated this before and I will state this once more.
I think that Dolby Surround can sound fantastic. The sound might not be as precise as is the case with AC3 soundtracks, but it's much fuller (uncompressed, higher bitrate), has much better bass, and if use wisely Dolby Surround can sound awesome, too. I only don't like Dolby Surround encoded Dolby Digital 2.0 audio tracks on DVDs. In this case I prefer Dolby Digital 5.1. Dolby Digital 2.0 is pretty terrible.
dts 5.1 encoded laserdiscs sound fine, too. I watched my Boogie Nights dts laserdisc and the sound was fantastic.
Unfortunately, I do not have the Apollo 13 dts laserdisc to compare. By chance I discovered a small record store in my neighbourhood that had laserdiscs, incl. several dts encoded laserdiscs. I think the owner didn't know what they were so I bought all of his discs for 2 € each, incl. a really terrible title, Mortal Kombat Annihilation, but the dts soundtrack sounds really good I have to admit. I also found a "copy" of Apollo 13 dts but only the cover, unfortunately. I went through all of his boxes in the hope the disc might be somewhere else but that was not the case :( Same with the cover of the Shining soundtrack that I found somewhere else empty without a record inside. |
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Posted: 23 Jan 2025, 17:26
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The rot status is completely unreliable in general. You only have a slight indicator on popular titles. For example all German and most UK rotters are listed with none or (very) low probability, even on titles where you have a 90% rot chance. Yeah, I myself only reported one rot status so no judgement here.
The other way round (like with Star Wars) is also true. High Probability does not mean most discs are gone. I think a lot report some dirt on the film print as rot or chroma noise as rot and so on. Also a speckle here and then can be caused by anything, not necessarily rot.
Maybe the rot level should be taken into account? A dead disc counts like 10 times a light rot? But that might lead to awfully complex calculations. |
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Posted: 27 Jan 2025, 21:21
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I remember watching an episode of How its made with CDs and these types of machines, LD was just too old and larger this is why
it had more of a failure, but then again how much of a failure did it actually have when I watch an LD that is 40+ years old and its the same as when it was
bought 40 years ago. |
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Posted: 27 Jan 2025, 23:28
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| Yeah. I watch LDs all the time. Almost never encounter rot. To me LD is a very reliable format and has been so for me for three decades. |
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Thanks list
