That was indeed "nice price."
A lucky person snatched it.
I bought this disc couple years ago from Japan,
not exactly the best MUSE Scenery disc, but also
not the worst
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| Author: | vinylcollector [ 25 Jun 2012, 04:58 ] |
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I don't have a Muse player.....but for those interested, this Hills Of the Season looks like a good price. I have this laserdisc in the regular NTSC and the picture is quite good, so I can only imagine how good the Hi-Vison would look. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Shinzo-Maeda-Hil ... 3f1929a644 |
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| Author: | lons_vex [ 25 Jun 2012, 08:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
That was indeed "nice price." A lucky person snatched it. I bought this disc couple years ago from Japan, not exactly the best MUSE Scenery disc, but also not the worst
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| Author: | naiaru [ 25 Jun 2012, 08:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
The seller accepted the $48 dollar offer!? Squeeze discs are more expensive. |
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| Author: | vinylcollector [ 24 Sep 2012, 22:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
I found and received today this Hanabutai NTSC laserdisc, made from a Hi-Vision master. (I have sent Julien a cover pic) Shotaro Akiyama: Hanabutai (1990) [CSMW-5220] So I was looking to if there was a Muse disc made. I couldn't find one identical title, but today noticed this one at 15 min run time. So would this be the Muse disc release for the one I got? Hana-Butai [00QW-9012] |
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| Author: | admin [ 25 Sep 2012, 12:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
vinylcollector wrote: So would this be the Muse disc release for the one I got? That would be the HDVS release (for professional broadcast, not for commercial purpose). HDVS is an uncompressed Hi-Vision transfer. It can hold only 15min per side and requires a specific, dedicated, professional LD player. Your LD Single is a NTSC conversion of this program. Julien |
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| Author: | Guest [ 07 Mar 2013, 01:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
Publius, if you have the Sony HIL-C2EX manual, please upload it and I will be forever grateful! I have a player, and it recognises the disc, but doesn't spin up. You press play, it thinks for a second and then goes back to 'STOP'. These players are *so* easy to work on and access boards than the Pioneer ones are, I'd love to get this one up and running. |
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| Author: | dimma [ 26 Oct 2013, 04:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
In our FB Group have that kind info that W-VHS machine can be use also MUSE DECODER |
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| Author: | publius [ 02 Nov 2013, 19:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
I maintain a list of known MUSE-capable equipment. I have no information concerning any W-VHS unit incorporating a MUSE decoder. In fact, the Victor HV-VMD1 & HV-MD2 were sold explicitly for use with W-VHS recorders. If you can name the model with MUSE capability, I would be grateful. I can, however, state that the Mitusbishi HV-V920MN S-VHS unit incorporates an internal MUSE downconverter. |
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| Author: | kt7000 [ 30 May 2021, 09:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
Which came out first: the pioneer hld-x9 or the x0? |
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| Author: | admin [ 30 May 2021, 15:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
kt7000 wrote: Which came out first: the pioneer hld-x9 or the x0? X0 (1995), then X9 (1996). See: HLD-X0 serial numbers and HLD-X9 serial numbers Julien |
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| Author: | kt7000 [ 04 Jun 2021, 16:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
admin wrote: kt7000 wrote: Which came out first: the pioneer hld-x9 or the x0? X0 (1995), then X9 (1996). See: HLD-X0 serial numbers and HLD-X9 serial numbers Julien Last question, how much did each unit cost when first launched? I remember reading this somewhere but I can't remember where. |
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| Author: | laserfanhld-gb [ 04 Jun 2021, 20:13 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
kt7000 wrote: admin wrote: kt7000 wrote: Which came out first: the pioneer hld-x9 or the x0? X0 (1995), then X9 (1996). See: HLD-X0 serial numbers and HLD-X9 serial numbers Julien Last question, how much did each unit cost when first launched? I remember reading this somewhere but I can't remember where. Regarding the HLD-X0 this may help... https://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/lase ... hld-xo.htm |
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| Author: | admin [ 05 Jun 2021, 03:49 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
kt7000 wrote: Last question, how much did each unit cost when first launched? Using: https://www.macrotrends.net/2550/dollar ... ical-chart https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ HLD-X0 = JPY 800,000 + GST (about $8,800 in 1995 dollars => $15,420 in 2021 dollars) HLD-X9 = JPY 350,000 + GST (about $3,350 in 1996 dollars => $5,700 in 2021 dollars) GST was 3% at the time. Incidentally, the SONY MUSE unit MSC-4000 was also JPY 800,000. Julien |
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| Author: | laserfanhld-gb [ 05 Jun 2021, 11:41 ] |
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admin wrote: kt7000 wrote: Last question, how much did each unit cost when first launched? Incidentally, the SONY MUSE unit MSC-4000 was also JPY 800,000. Julien Never realised that - truly mind boggling! Presumably the Pioneer and Panasonic units could have cost even more? |
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| Author: | signofzeta [ 05 Jun 2021, 12:39 ] |
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That’s nothing. You also need a MUSE decoder and an HDTV which would be that much again, if not more, and of course one needs a full surround theater...this would be for a home theater $40,000-100,000 probably. When the bubble burst it didn’t burst as violently or at the same time as it did for everyone else. The X-0 was the tail end of Pioneer’s excess but the really insane period for Japanese electronics was probably 77-90. Lots of companies had crazy stuff like this, the tape decks and the turntables usually being the most impressive. |
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| Author: | laserfanhld-gb [ 06 Jun 2021, 11:36 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
signofzeta wrote: That’s nothing. You also need a MUSE decoder and an HDTV which would be that much again, if not more, and of course one needs a full surround theater...this would be for a home theater $40,000-100,000 probably. When the bubble burst it didn’t burst as violently or at the same time as it did for everyone else. The X-0 was the tail end of Pioneer’s excess but the really insane period for Japanese electronics was probably 77-90. Lots of companies had crazy stuff like this, the tape decks and the turntables usually being the most impressive. An absolute bargain then zeta, can’t understand why there wasn’t a greater take up of the format back then 
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| Author: | signofzeta [ 06 Jun 2021, 14:09 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
I think the needed monitor itself was probably $10,000. The only things broadcast MUSE were probably sports and NHK nature programs so once you’re there...you have to get the player. It’s stupid not to. |
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| Author: | teddanson [ 06 Jun 2021, 15:09 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
Slightly off track, but I remember Hiten Bomberman being one of the first high definition games. I think that needed a specific display in order to play it? To date I don't think the game was ever released as it was an exhibit of HD and 10 player (hence hi ten in the name) gaming. That would have been around the mid 1990's. Which looking back is a bit bizarre that it took so long to get to when NHK conducted the first consumer television HD broadcast in 1989 (and said network began.exploring HD recording and broadcasts after the Olympics in 1964). Wikipedia (the font of accuracy) has great page on the history of high definition telly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-defi ... television Edit: Hiten Bomberman was demonstrated in 1993 for the Hi Vision format at 1035i. http://www.bombermanboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=1966 The link above has links to rare footage of the game in action. Well worth a look. |
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| Author: | signofzeta [ 06 Jun 2021, 15:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
Yeah, HiTen was all proprietary, not sure of the architecture, only seen at Hudson’s Caravan events. The project continued and basically became Bomberman SS. In SD the 8 player is best, IMO. Weren’t there computer games in 800x600 by then? I don’t know that HiTen was the first HD anything other than it being HD Bomberman. EDIT: This is a good page for sure, lots of info. This seems to explain where Denden no Den came from as well. http://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/bomb/arc-hiten/ |
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| Author: | nissling [ 06 Jun 2021, 19:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MUSE Hi-Vision discs |
I think they're using an HDM-4130 on the last image in the link that Signofzeta shared. It was the japanese equivalent to the HDM-3830, which alongside with the 2820 and 2830 practically speaking were the only monitors used for any "serious" HD productions throughout the 90s. In early 2000s they were replaced by the BVM-D series. Wonderful monitor yet ridicilously heavy. High resolution gaming on PCs didn't technically happen until Direct3D and other hardware accellerated APIs. Software rendering was never fast enough for high resolutions or sprites and tiles but did give major advantages when drawing polygons which made great use in early 3D titles. Once dedicated graphics card became common, especially with the Riva 128 and Voodoo2, there was at least some possibilites to play by then modern games in 800x600. |
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