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 Post subject: How do you play HDVS titles & why are they SO expensive?
PostPosted: 18 Dec 2015, 19:29 
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I've noticed there are quite a few HDVS entries in LDDB.com.

For example Emile Gallé [00QW-9030] which I see also has a conventional MUSE Hi-Vision version also listed Emile Gallé (1992) [00MW-0007].

What equipment do you need to play the HDVS version and why is this title SO expensive (900000 yen = 7,412.89 USD!!!). It makes the conventional MUSE Hi Vision version seem as cheap as chips given it is ONLY 14800 yen (121.91 USD)!!
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 Post subject: Re: How do you play HDVS titles & why are they SO expensive?
PostPosted: 18 Dec 2015, 21:24 
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It looks like there are two formats, HDVS(Sony) and Baseband(Sanyo). Although they are both the same machine (Sanyo is a Sony clone), they are incompatible with each other. They are also both incompatible with Muse/Hi-vision discs. I don't know if Sanyo Baseband discs exist. To play HDVS, you need a Sony(or its clones) HDVS player, you don't need a decoder! I believe it only holds 20mins of video in uncompressed form, the connections are component and 1035i output.

Where are you seeing those prices? Certainly that's very expensive! I can't really say anything about their worth, I never really looked to buy one. They are probably rarer than muse discs but are there anyone looking for them really?
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 Post subject: Re: How do you play HDVS titles & why are they SO expensive?
PostPosted: 18 Dec 2015, 21:54 
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The Sony HDVS discs require a broadcast-studio player, HDL-2000 or possibly HDL-5800 (which was also a recorder), to play back. They give a component or GBR output directly from the player.

The high sticker prices arise from the fact that the discs came with broadcast rights for the program content.
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 Post subject: Re: How do you play HDVS titles & why are they SO expensive?
PostPosted: 18 Dec 2015, 23:58 
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Where are you seeing those prices? Certainly that's very expensive! I can't really say anything about their worth, I never really looked to buy one. They are probably rarer than muse discs but are there anyone looking for them really?


The prices were in the HDVS catalogue that museld user uploaded recently.
Two thing caught my attention that no one else seemed to spot:
1) There are quite a few exclusive music HDVS titles available
2) The prices are absolutely ridiculous :lol:

I think some of these HDVS titles are now the holy grails of exclusive discs to own.
Anyone got any?
If not you may need to sell your entire collection just to own and play one!
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 Post subject: Re: How do you play HDVS titles & why are they SO expensive?
PostPosted: 19 Dec 2015, 00:10 
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laserdisc_fan wrote:
I think some of these HDVS titles are now the holy grails of discs to own.
Anyone got any?


I myself would be interested in "Good-Night TOKYO".

I spoke with Nicolas Santini about a HDVS collection that sold on ebay once, a long time ago.
He also told me a german bidder won the auction -> it was a guy I later spoke with about
SONY HDM pro monitors, he was owning equipment ranging in the millions, and probably simply
wanted to have those discs. He also had a large MUSE collection. I wonder if he still has all these
things today. He had a company running (maybe still has), so it was probably all company related
and not some crazed private collector lunatic. I'm sure the broadcast rights for those HDVS titles
could have been useful to him somehow, while useless to most of us.
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 Post subject: Re: How do you play HDVS titles & why are they SO expensive?
PostPosted: 19 Dec 2015, 00:24 
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It would be pretty cool to invite guests round to see your own fully paid for exclusive high definition broadcast that is 20+ years old. That would be quite a spectacle like having your own personal TV channel in your home!

Even before discovering this I never rated MUSE hi-vision titles as particularly rare.
I don't thnk it would require more than a year or two to acquire most of the MUSE titles available except perhaps the recently added NEC fish club titles which are bit less mainstream.

These HDVS titles are in a whole different league of their own though and surpass everything else discussed by a mile.
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 Post subject: Re: How do you play HDVS titles & why are they SO expensive?
PostPosted: 21 Dec 2015, 03:59 
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lons_vex wrote:
laserdisc_fan wrote:
I spoke with Nicolas Santini about a HDVS collection that sold on ebay once, a long time ago.
He also told me a german bidder won the auction ->


I think this is the auction I bid on and got beat at the last second. Oh well. If I recall correctly there were about 20 or titles in there, but I don't remember which ones.
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 Post subject: Re: How do you play HDVS titles & why are they SO expensive?
PostPosted: 21 Dec 2015, 10:02 
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I think this is the auction I bid on and got beat at the last second. Oh well. If I recall correctly there were about 20 or titles in there, but I don't remember which ones.


But do you remember the final price it sold for?
That would be interesting to know.
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 Post subject: Re: How do you play HDVS titles & why are they SO expensive?
PostPosted: 21 Dec 2015, 10:33 
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lons_vex wrote:
museld wrote:
I think this is the auction I bid on and got beat at the last second. Oh well. If I recall correctly there were about 20 or titles in there, but I don't remember which ones.


But do you remember the final price it sold for?
That would be interesting to know.


I agree, that would be really interesting to know - would you mind popping it on here?

Not that I would be going for the likes of that but it would be good to see what, in an auction, it actually ended at & sold for.

Cheers :thumbup: .
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 Post subject: Re: How do you play HDVS titles & why are they SO expensive?
PostPosted: 23 Dec 2015, 23:29 
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lons_vex wrote:
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I think this is the auction I bid on and got beat at the last second. Oh well. If I recall correctly there were about 20 or titles in there, but I don't remember which ones.


But do you remember the final price it sold for?
That would be interesting to know.


I think around $3500-$5000 USD
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 Post subject: Re: How do you play HDVS titles & why are they SO expensive?
PostPosted: 24 Dec 2015, 01:14 
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museld wrote:

I think around $3500-$5000 USD


Sounds like they got a relative bargain if there were 20 HDVS titles in the set given the original street price of just 1 title.

Still I expect there would not be too many bidders willing to bid that much on an unknown set of HDVS titles that could only be played on perhaps 1-2 broadcast machines in the entire world. All of the discs in that set might not have even played in one machine if some were of a different format as substance has pointed out. You may have needed two different broadcast machines to even play them!

Does anyone know how much these broadcast machines cost when first released?
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 Post subject: Re: How do you play HDVS titles & why are they SO expensive?
PostPosted: 24 Dec 2015, 03:25 
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I think they are 15 minutes per disc, one side only.

Sony hdl-2000 player
Sony hdl-5800 recorder

Sanyo hvl-bm2000 is a Sony hdl-2000 rebadge but won't read sony broadband hdvs discs. I imagine there is also a sanyo 5800 model to record sanyo formatted baseline hdvs discs. I think all prerecorded discs are sony broadband hdvs.
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 Post subject: Re: How do you play HDVS titles & why are they SO expensive?
PostPosted: 24 Dec 2015, 16:37 
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laserdisc_fan wrote:
The prices are absolutely ridiculous :lol:


I think I remember that the HDVS title were outrageously expensive because the broadcast/diffusion rights were pre-paid.

That is, you could play them in a theater for paid tickets or show it on TV without paying related fees.
Fees were already paid-for with the discs.

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