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 Post subject: Ultimate VHS player?
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2014, 16:48 
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There is no dedicated VHS forums so i figured I post this here.

I wanted to know if there is an ultimate VHS player/s that are considered the best for any reason, or is it that all VHS players basically the same? Any brands that are better than the others?
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PostPosted: 08 Feb 2014, 19:23 
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I would take an S-VHS VCR over a standard VHS VCR. But really, you can only do so much with 240 lines of noisy, dirty resolution.

From what I understand, this odd Blu-ray/VHS player does a bang up job with VHS too:

Panasonic DMP-BD70V Blu-ray Disc/VHS Player

Only a player though. No recording.
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PostPosted: 08 Feb 2014, 20:01 
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Jvc hr/sr-w5u, sr-w320u w-vhs vcrs in sd mode can record 480i with % 30 higher bandwidth of s-vhs. You need special w-vhs tapes otherwise it records regular quality. They can also record in hd 1035i in component form. They are the only consumer electronics which allow hd recordings from component inputs.

Due to limited bandwidth hd recordings are not up to todays standards but in w-vhs sd mode it beats sd dvds and lds by a mile.

Only cons are w-vhs tapes are hard to find and no digital audio inputs. Only analog rca audio inputs but they are internally converted to digital pcm and recorded on to tape in digital form
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PostPosted: 09 Feb 2014, 14:40 
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elahrairrah wrote:
I would take an S-VHS VCR over a standard VHS VCR. But really, you can only do so much with 240 lines of noisy, dirty resolution.

From what I understand, this odd Blu-ray/VHS player does a bang up job with VHS too:

Panasonic DMP-BD70V Blu-ray Disc/VHS Player

Only a player though. No recording.


If you say that hardly any movies were released on Svhs then I guess finding a S-vhs player even harder . Will it output VHS in higher quality though?
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PostPosted: 09 Feb 2014, 14:46 
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No, normally VHS stays VHS...
Sometimes you can have benefits from a (possibly) better comb filter...

A recorder with TBC can improve the quality a bit, but it stays ultralow definition video :P
But it can be watchable ;)
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PostPosted: 09 Feb 2014, 15:18 
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you don't need a good comb filter for VHS. luma and chroma are recorded separately they do not intersect in the composite video spectrum. any digital comb filter can separate them without any difficulty. S-video has the same chroma bandwidth but luma is increased by a little. It starts out at the same frequency but goes beyond the upper end of VHS. that's why regular VHS players cant play it adequately.
A good tbc can help because tape can stretch during playback and can result in jitter.
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate VHS player?
PostPosted: 10 Feb 2014, 15:09 
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This is out of topic but since you all are well informed, can you tell me why one of the VHS tapes I have, the picture has continouse black lines coming from above to bottom and the picture jitters like it skips frames and its very irritating to watch. I remember this used to be fixed by something called scanning that is done automatically by the VHS player but I could be wrong...
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PostPosted: 10 Feb 2014, 15:17 
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You would have to use the tracking feature of the VCR some do it automatically to try to get the best picture or you would have to press buttons on the remote or the front of the VCR itself.

The VCR should have its heads clean even if they are clean I think it could be because of the age of the tape.
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PostPosted: 10 Feb 2014, 19:03 
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rch928 wrote:
If you say that hardly any movies were released on Svhs then I guess finding a S-vhs player even harder . Will it output VHS in higher quality though?



it's far better to have an S-VHS VCR than an S-VHS "player" hell, i'm not even sure such a beast has ever existed,
at least in the U.S. market. at any rare, S-VHS VCRs can be found easily enough... try the BAY for starters...



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I would take an S-VHS VCR over a standard VHS VCR. But really, you can only do so much with 240 lines of noisy, dirty resolution.



actually, my JVC HR-S8000U isn't half bad at all with 240 noisy, dirty-ass lines;

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PostPosted: 10 Feb 2014, 19:48 
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If you want the best picture, especially on newer TVs, you want a DVD recorder. The better ones do an amazing job upconverting.

If you want one that is physically more well made than most, you want something from the 80s or a pro deck. The picture will be nowhere near as good though, especially if it's pre "HQ" era.

I don't know if there is anything that bridges these two worlds, I'd suspect not.
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PostPosted: 11 Feb 2014, 17:09 
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signofzeta wrote:
If you want the best picture, especially on newer TVs, you want a DVD recorder. The better ones do an amazing job upconverting.



You mean a VHS + DVD combo units puts out the best picture of a VHS?
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PostPosted: 11 Feb 2014, 18:19 
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signofzeta wrote:
If you want the best picture, especially on newer TVs, you want a DVD recorder. The better ones do an amazing job upconverting.

I'd agree with that. The Toshiba DV-R600 my parents had did a damn good job with VHS. Even through the component connects and upconverted to 1080i.
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PostPosted: 11 Feb 2014, 21:29 
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My favorite S-VHS VCR is the Panasonic AG-1980. It's a true workhorse with the best tracking I've ever seen.
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rch928 wrote:
signofzeta wrote:
If you want the best picture, especially on newer TVs, you want a DVD recorder. The better ones do an amazing job upconverting.



You mean a VHS + DVD combo units puts out the best picture of a VHS?


Yeah, sorry, I didn't specify that. I have a JVC that is incredible.
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PostPosted: 12 Feb 2014, 16:57 
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I just happen to be lucky that my friend has a samsung VHS+DVD combo that he does not care about. I will try to ask him for it. I always looked down on DVD+VHS combo, I thought they were a bad novelty equipement that just wanted to "WOW" consumers and make them buy it. I thought it never worked right...
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PostPosted: 12 Feb 2014, 17:27 
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rch928 wrote:
I just happen to be lucky that my friend has a samsung VHS+DVD combo that he does not care about. I will try to ask him for it. I always looked down on DVD+VHS combo, I thought they were a bad novelty equipement that just wanted to "WOW" consumers and make them buy it. I thought it never worked right...

Well, not all of them are created equally. If that's a VHS/DVD combo where the DVD section is merely a player, it won't be all that good as it won't upconvert/filter the VHS section.

Only VHS/DVD recorder combos seem to do that (other than that crazy VHS/blu-ray player I listed above.)
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PostPosted: 13 Feb 2014, 16:59 
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thanks a lot for your help and informative input, I guess if I get a D-VHS player it will put a pristine picture too right?
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acuozzo wrote:
My favorite S-VHS VCR is the Panasonic AG-1980. It's a true workhorse with the best tracking I've ever seen.


+2

Didn't know there was another? For transfers to digital, #1.
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PostPosted: 22 Feb 2014, 17:48 
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I own the last S-VHS recorder manufactured by Panasonic for the European market.

http://www.amazon.de/Panasonic-NV-SV-12 ... B0002JZ8A6

I am very satisfied with it. Of course quality wise it is worse than Laserdisc but
I find the Hi-Fi stereo sound on some of my tapes very satisfying and there are many
great titles on VHS. The entire UK edition of Star Trek Deep Space Nine is excellent.
The sound quality is almost CD like ( much better than Dolby Digital 2.0 ) and you can
see that they tried to squeeze the maximum out of the VHS format quality wise. The picture
looks really really good.
To me the movie and the contents sometimes count more than
Battleship with Rihanna in 1080p with a banging a** dts HD Master track.´
Some movies especially made for TV movies have neither been released on DVD / Blu Ray
nor Laserdisc.

The thing I like a lot about VHS that all of my original tapes basically show no wear at all.
They still play like new. Even my recorded tapes still work very well.

My recorder however does not play SECAM tapes in colour which is a bit of a shame as
I own a Mylène Farmer tape and I can only watch it in black and white.
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PostPosted: 22 Feb 2014, 19:03 
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I can make a color copy of it for you, on tape or DVD if you want, but you have to send the tape to Holland than....
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