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Author:  laserbite34 [ 07 Apr 2012, 18:15 ]
Post subject:  Born on the fourth of July (1989) HD-DVD not so special

Just watched Born on the fourth of July (1989) on HD-DVD sigh...

Oh dear, I guess its the same transfer a special edition created for the DVD! (I don't have the SE DVD) but I have others and I'm going by experience!

Looking at HD-DVD (00h:43m:55s) note the blue light around white light the whole brought/contrast has been boasted! Not a very good picture at all. Look at the Laserdisc or DVD as the camera moves you can make out the shape of the light bulb like you when seeing it at the cinema.

Overall :thumbdown: HD-DVD transfer and very likely the bluray wouldn’t be any better. Both still have Laserdisc DVD and HD-DVD all have EE, less so on HD-DVD but looks like DNR was used. I guess these studios get of scamming consumers and I think its about time they did it as it was seen and give the films away for free since we have paid for them at least 5 times VHS Laserdisc DVD HD-DVD and bluray. We paid once to see true perfection 35mm/70mm.

Again same lousy over contrasted boasting sigh (00m:53m:43s) note the light on the left of the elevator it should pure white not white and green.

Be aware that some special edition DVD are used for HD-DVD or bluray or even first time around by lousy video engineers and no calibrated bluray disc will get your TV making it look any better no matter how many hours you tweak it, you can’t fix what is broken. Idiot video engineers!

Framing shows more scope on ( :thumbup: Laserdisc DVD ) and less of HD lol yeah the perfect format only they should have used the first edition or started over fresh by looking at it projected up on screen first make notes lots of notes then do the transfer and go back to real thing to make sure it all transfers 1 to 1 with framing colour brightness how hard can it be. Well I never sell the DVD or laserdisc so its good thing I still have them and if I was going to show the film to friends or guests I'd run the DVD. At least they'll be seeing more and won't be seeing disgusting colour on HD at least on this transfer that is.

Sound wise both mixes are the same there is slight botch on the dts Laserdisc the left surround is up by +4.0db so it needs to be lowered to make sure the centre phantom mono surround remains even all-around.

The DVD and HD-DVD mono surround is fine.

I saw projected the film I forget how many times during its run at UCI Tower Park, several times in screen 5 then it moved to I think screen 3 or 4which is the same booth only one door to enter to screens 3/4 played nicely in Dolby Stereo SR sat in few times after work to watch the last few reels and it was grainy at times but none of this sickening DNR or EE was ever seen, pure film with pure light putting it up on the screen.

Well I've stopped the HD-DVD I can't watch it its ruined my Easter viewing tenfold. :evil:

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Author:  benmbe [ 09 Apr 2012, 17:28 ]
Post subject:  Re: Born on the fourth of July (1989) HD-DVD not so special

Good day laserbite34,

Thank you for sharing your results, comparisons of all three format's of ''Born on the fourth of July''

Sorry to read about the disappointed transfer of this Movie.

I have this on Laserdisc DTS and loved it.

They are not paying attention to detail are they, as I have noticed this on other titles and quite frankly it stinks :shock:

Don't these engineers have any pride in what they do for a living?

Regards to you

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Author:  laserbite34 [ 09 Apr 2012, 21:25 ]
Post subject:  Re: Born on the fourth of July (1989) HD-DVD not so special

I don't know about taking ones pride in their profession or just one or few getting lazy at it for doing it for too, many years or what? I'd like to see the video enginer credited so I know who was responsible for doing a lousy job or a good job.

Yeah you, could imagine how bitter :( disappointed I was because I was staying alert and looking for it and listening as well.

Author:  laserbite34 [ 11 Apr 2012, 11:55 ]
Post subject:  Re: Born on the fourth of July (1989) HD-DVD not so special

I thought I’d post this after seeing a video of same lousy transfer SE used for HD-DVD that I noticed last week and switched it off. I see someone has posted either the same SE DVD that is commonly used to make these sickening HD copies to pass it off as HD yeah right.

You can see where its all gone wrong with fudging up the colour with a computer no less, and its resulted in bizarre colours of cyan green and over bright image that is washing out true cinema theatrical detail!

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You can watch more of this sickening colour on this part from the film just a bit before 6:40mins into it.

Born On The Fourth Of July: Part-5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu_bDgFx ... ure=relmfu

The other screen capture is from the region 2 DVD I also have too bad I can’t do a screen capture of the Laserdisc, well I can but the line resolution might be a bit jittery but at least it would give you an idea on the colour never mind resolution once its gone past with butchering up the colour HD-1080p is meaningless in books.

I gather you can see its all blue tinted well that's what we're paying these nerds for on computers. Note the light bulb is clearer in the original and not washed out, wow best transfer ever sure its not all perfect with EE but at least the colour isn't crap. Now go and watch the so called perfect bluray I think you'll be seeing the same crappy colour!

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Author:  laserbite34 [ 11 Apr 2012, 13:31 ]
Post subject:  Re: Born on the fourth of July (1989) HD-DVD not so special

Here is a quickie I did with one of the hobby boxes I got this morning for a project I’ll be doing soon.

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The camera just barley captures the pure white LED light and that was rather close-up. There is tint on the edges going starting to go green/cyan whatever.

ImageHere its like that Born on the Fourth of July SE HD train wreck.

I used a common LED flash light placed behind the transparent blue box and BINGO what do you see! Its a common issue that some video cameras will see but the eye only sees the LED clearly behind the case in blue nothing less or nothing more. I’d need a very special SLR digital camera to take a picture of what should be seen and a cheap digital one, hold on moment cheap! So WTF are they using when doing these transfers then? I guess it must be expressive HD calibrated and calibrated flat screen TV with Muppets doing the transfers?

Only a few I would say in the industry know how to do it, a few. The rest are a bunch of Donkeys.

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