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Going through my HDs and now really wonder why blue ray won
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Author:  Guest [ 17 Nov 2011, 18:56 ]
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Look up anything about Warner Bros HD DVD releases. They had the biggest problems. Their HD DVD Combo discs were the worst. In fact HD DVD Combo discs in general performed poorly. Additionally Toshiba and the movie studios played a blame game over whose fault it was. Toshiba would say that they authored the discs out of HD DVD spec, the movie studios said the players firmware had bugs. The biggest issue is just what we are seeing here, the problems are intermittent, don't seem to effect every disc of the same movie, or every player of the same model.
Author:  elahrairrah [ 17 Nov 2011, 19:37 ]
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jamisonia wrote:
Look up anything about Warner Bros HD DVD releases. They had the biggest problems. Their HD DVD Combo discs were the worst. In fact HD DVD Combo discs in general performed poorly. Additionally Toshiba and the movie studios played a blame game over whose fault it was. Toshiba would say that they authored the discs out of HD DVD spec, the movie studios said the players firmware had bugs.

Hah, sounds like the blame game MCA played with Phillips/Magnavox in the DiscoVision era. MCA said Phillips didn't build their player to specs, and Phillips said MCA's discs were flawed.

I do have one HD/DVD combo disc, 300. The DVD portion plays fine. Never tried playing the HD-DVD portion.

I should probably pick up the HD-DVD add-on for the Xbox360 as I have a number of HD-DVDs I picked up from a guy I bought a DVL-700 from.
Author:  Guest [ 17 Nov 2011, 21:01 ]
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I've hard the HD DVD version of 300 was an issue when it came out. But some of the firmware updates may have fixed that.
Author:  substance [ 29 Nov 2011, 06:38 ]
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I didnt know the island was released in the us or canada. I have the uk hd dvd which plays fine. Now the us bd has lossless audio i dont watch the hd anymore.
Author:  laserlord [ 09 Dec 2011, 14:53 ]
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now heres the true story on the end of the format war... (info from an inside toshiba source)

HD-DVD came really close to getting even 20th century fox over to their camp.
They were really close to sign the contract, it was all done in great secrecy... sadly someone from sony (i wish i knew where he lives :evil: ) heard what went on and they immediately paid an incredible amount to 20th century fox to stay in their blu-ray camp.

If 20th century fox would have gone exclusively to hd-dvd then also universal and warner would have gone that way.
Then it would have been bye bye blu-ray for sure.

A couple of days after 20th century fox stopped their negotiations with HD-DVD, Toshiba decided to give up.
So once again, the financially mightiest one won the war. :cry:
Author:  mikeystoyz [ 10 Dec 2011, 05:46 ]
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That being said, my copy of XMEN first class BluRay still wont play on my playstation.
Author:  s_s_jadye [ 17 Dec 2011, 10:13 ]
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mikeystoyz wrote:
I have been looking through my HDDVDs and watching a few and am really wondering why blue ray won. I know why, but really, the HD discs are so much nicer then the blue rays. It usually takes anywhere from 1 to 5 minutes for a blue ray to load on my PS3. I popped the HD into my Xbox and poof, it was ready to play in under 30 seconds. The picture is very nice, the sound is excellent and the ability to play in the video is pretty cool. It is such a nicer format. Dont get me wrong, blue ray is nice, it is just that HD seems to be so much better.

My name is Mr. s. s. Jadye, & I am Indian 42 yrs. Citizen. my reply to your question "Why Blu-Ray won"? is; It is actually not won, But sony corporation had two nos.of film making studios in their stable (viz:- Columbia & MGM), so their BOSSING or GANGSTERNESS forced Toshiba & NEC to closed down HD-DVD production. As sony decided to released film titles on Blu-Ray format only.
Author:  laserbite34 [ 19 Dec 2011, 04:11 ]
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publius wrote:
By that criterion, MUSE LD should have been the format of choice. No delay, it plays as soon as the spindle motor gets up to speed.
But, you know, honestly I got tired of the "format war" talk the first time around. Now that one 12 cm high-density digital disc type has definitively captured the market, why bother revisiting it?


Wasn’t the timing for MUSE also bad timing as DVD was just coming out? And from what I read on MUSE the HD was higher than DVD, but the MUSE laserdisc cost an arm and leg.:D

I might buy a HD-DVD player at some time one that has or do they make a model that has RCA pre-outputs 6 to 8 channel?

Yeah the discs for bluray is pathetic at times some 5mins to load a film. Its the BDLive discs that are rubbish those are the ones that take too long and if you, stop the film by mistake, sigh it takes another 5mins! None BDLive discs load a bit faster and can resume even if you stop the film. The player does replay from last position but I can’t stand waiting 5mins.

Its faster on the Phillips player by a few minutes and longer in the Sony player.

Also the visual search is terrible on the Sony BDP-550 its like snail speed my laserdisc player is faster than bluray, for visual search.

The Philips BDP-7300 is a bit faster than the Sony, but still the laserdisc player WINS hands down as being faster!

laserlord wrote:
now heres the true story on the end of the format war... (info from an inside toshiba source)

HD-DVD came really close to getting even 20th century fox over to their camp.
They were really close to sign the contract, it was all done in great secrecy... sadly someone from sony (i wish i knew where he lives :evil: ) heard what went on and they immediately paid an incredible amount to 20th century fox to stay in their blu-ray camp.

If 20th century fox would have gone exclusively to hd-dvd then also universal and warner would have gone that way.
Then it would have been bye bye blu-ray for sure.

A couple of days after 20th century fox stopped their negotiations with HD-DVD, Toshiba decided to give up.
So once again, the financially mightiest one won the war. :cry:


Plus Dolby was mandatory on HD-DVD was it called Dolby Plus, and I’m sick and tired of dtsHD-MA stealing the limelight particularly Dolby produced films ending up as dtsHD-MA and I’m Dolby listener I don’t care if both sound formats are lossless lossy or turned upside down and inside out.

I didn’t buy bluray to buy my favourite films to end as dtsHD-MA while they’re so god damn big headed on facebook as if it was there format that created the film mix. Take STAR WARS well I don’t think we care about that one anymore. Its had very little play time or viewing, just a waste of money.

I’m glad Dolby is starting to make slow comeback with Dolby TrueHD as some cinema produced releases in Dolby surround 7.1 have ending up as sigh dtsHD-MA 7.1 and that really pissed me off, as consumer.

I think both should be used on the disc they did it with “Close Encounters of the third kind” plus three versions of the film so what are the excuses?

Warner and Paramount Picture were one of the last studios a few years ago to produced Dolby TrueHD but were slowly thinning out then Paramount was the only one left until dtsHD-MA got under their skin and I shied away.

I think the biggest last release was STAR TREK and I doubt the new STAR TREK will be in Dolby TrueHD no doubt it will be mixed in Dolby Surround 7.1.

dtsHD-MA is okay only if both Dolby TrueHD and dtsHD-MA can exist on the same disc. Take a look at 35mm it holds Dolby SR-D, dts and SDDS6/8 what good is bluray if it can’t hold both and cater for the consumer who has spent money on it! :x
Author:  Guest [ 25 Dec 2011, 19:21 ]
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laserbite34 wrote:
I might buy a HD-DVD player at some time one that has or do they make a model that has RCA pre-outputs 6 to 8 channel?



The Toshiba XA2 as 5.1 channel preoutputs. Its also the best HD DVD player made, and probably the best upconverting DVD player ever made. I don't think any HD DVDs had 6.1 or 7.1 channel discrete sound. Probably only7 5.1 with matrixed 6.1.
Author:  mikeystoyz [ 25 Dec 2011, 19:52 ]
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I think I posted this elsewhere but, I have had a bluray take up to an hour to load. I have had them just not play at all after the screen. This happens to me about 10 percent of the time. Most recently, xmen first class. It would go to the loading screen, put the warning message and do nothing. Cars 2 was another that did this to me. HDDVD never did this or at least the ones I had.
Author:  Guest [ 25 Dec 2011, 22:24 ]
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I have never had the issues with BD mentioned here. I have owned three BD players, and all three loaded up in different amounts of time, however; none took an hour, or even 5 actual minutes. My LG seemed like forever, but in reality it was only 2 to 3 minutes. The one I currently use is the PS3, it loads very quickly, even with BD Live on. If you have an issue with BD Live making discs take longer to load, go into your BD players menu and turn off BD live. Every BD Player with BD live I have ever seen has that option. That will make it load faster. If you have a BD player that doesn't play a BD, with the latest firmware for that device, you need to call that company and complain. Even if its out of warranty they should help. Its probably a matter of making a firmware update.

As for the DTS MA vs Dolby TrueHD, if the soundtrack is lossless there should be no difference between the two. The two just use different ways of achieving lossless compression, but if they are truly lossless, once uncompressed by the player or AVR the results should be identical. It should sound the same as if it were provided as an LPCM track of the same bit rate.
Author:  mikeystoyz [ 25 Dec 2011, 23:37 ]
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I have a ps3, it is up to date and better play any bluray I put in it regardless. Live is off. I dont care if the BR was released tomorrow, it had better play.
Author:  vinylcollector [ 03 Jan 2012, 00:40 ]
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I never got into hd or blue ray, and don't plan on buying a player. But was in a store today (I'm in Canada) and was supprised to already see a whole pile of new Blue Ray discs in the cheaper bargin bin @ only 3.00 cdn each. (about 2.50 usd) Some good looking movies too, and also some Horror ones.

So far here it's just been regular dvd's in the cheap bins, and the discount Blue Ray discs were still 9-10 dollars.
Author:  Guest [ 04 Jan 2012, 19:33 ]
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If you're finding BDs that cheap either its one hell of a sale or they have re released them. In the early days of BD they tended to only use 25GB discs, and they didn't really know how to master good BDs. Like early DVDs these releases don't look all that much better than their predecessor format. The other issue is a lot of early BDs did not have lossless soundtracks, and they were mastered in 1080i, not 1080p. Lossless is now standard on BD releases, and is looked down with disdain if a studio cheaps out and doesn't include one. Many of the big title early releases have seen or are about to see re releases that allow them to take significantly more advantage of the format. If you're buying these for the first time, be careful so you get the best release. Some to look out for are Superman Returns, 300, and T2.

This is also an issue with HD DVDs. Many HD DVDs did not include lossless soundtracks. This is bound to create arguments over whether HD DVD or BD releases are better. Some HD DVD releases are going to have superior video, in some people's opinions, because when they were transferred to BD, they underwent more DNR, and edge enhancement that wiped away details, along with the noise they were trying to remove. Yet they were also given lossless soundtracks. So your choice will be an HD DVD with a lossy soundtrack, but superior video, or a BD that has been DNRed to death but with a lossless soundtrack.
Author:  chente [ 08 Jan 2012, 03:42 ]
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jamisonia wrote:
laserbite34 wrote:
I might buy a HD-DVD player at some time one that has or do they make a model that has RCA pre-outputs 6 to 8 channel?



The Toshiba XA2 as 5.1 channel preoutputs. Its also the best HD DVD player made, and probably the best upconverting DVD player ever made. I don't think any HD DVDs had 6.1 or 7.1 channel discrete sound. Probably only7 5.1 with matrixed 6.1.


This is the player I have and it is fantastic.
Author:  lons_vex [ 08 Jan 2012, 10:22 ]
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The XA2 looks surprisingly like the european market XE1 unit...

But hands down, the best HD-DVD unit ever made was the japanese RDA1.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/toshibas-rd-a1-hd-dvd-recorder-with-1tb-disk/ Some info in english...

http://www.cine4home.de/Meldungen/ToshRD-A1/RDA1.htm Some info in german with lotsa pictures

Google will help you find more on this 15kg monster.
Author:  Guest [ 10 Jan 2012, 22:13 ]
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Its a first generation model, and nothing was mentioned outside of its ability to record in HD to a 1TB drive. The HD-XA2 is famed for its DVD upconversion abilities.
Author:  Guest [ 19 Jan 2012, 07:30 ]
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Hi guys, new to the forum :angel:
I thought I'd chime in. I'm a HUGE HD-DVD Collector and probably have close to 300 (I'm trying for a complete collection all countries- i know one day ;)) and I have never had a problem in any player. That's including the 360 Drive (which is fantastic) and a LG HD-DVDRom/Bluray Combo in a HTPC.

Bluray's load times could be attached to the fact that the menu's and profiles use Java (my guess anyway). I will admit I have loads of Bluray's as well, but people who refuse to give any HD-DVD low nowadays is pretty absurd. Titles I have on both formats (Especially Universal) Troy being a great example, is identical, even the menu's so a $2.00 Troy seems like a bargain to me. There's also plenty of rare titles (by rare I mean $10-$20 dollars) that are not available on Bluray, or is a cheaper alternative than a Region Locked import Bluray.

Just my 2 cents :)
Author:  laserlord [ 14 Feb 2012, 22:18 ]
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anyone else has the Onkyo HD-DVD player ? I have one of the only a handful ones released in Belgium...
Author:  Guest [ 22 Feb 2012, 22:34 ]
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I've never had a problem with any of my blu-rays playing, and the longest mine have taken to load has been no more than a minute. i used to watch them on my PS3, but i built an HTPC/gaming PC with a blu-ray player, and i've used that for the past year to watch my blu-rays on. i haven't turned on my PS3 since then. but my pc runs them flawlessly. the problem i had with PS3 was that it seemed to need constant updating, which may be the problem that mikeyztoyz is having with his blu-rays. i leave my PC on all the time, so it updates overnight if needed, and they always play right away. i've got over 450 of them and all of them i've watched have played right away. The blu-ray player me and my brother bought for my parents also hasn't had any troubles that they have mentioned.. i don't know what to tell you man. sucks that you're having trouble with them.
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