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kt7000
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Post subject: Are Most Open Matte Releases Mistaken for Pan & Scan? Posted: 09 Jun 2023, 01:38 |
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When a film is shot in Panavision widescreen then formatted to 4:3, the picture is, without a doubt, Pan & Scan. But if a film is shot on 35mm, then matted to widescreen for theaters, and then released on home video in 4:3, does that always make it a Pan & Scan picture?
I ask because some of the releases I've been seeing here are labeled as Pan & Scan when they're really Open Matte. Until a proper comparison can be made, it got me thinking as to how many other Pan & Scan releases are actually Open Matte.
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Post subject: Re: Are Most Open Matte Releases Mistaken for Pan & Scan? Posted: 09 Jun 2023, 01:51 |
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kt7000 wrote: When a film is shot in Panavision widescreen then formatted to 4:3, the picture is, without a doubt, Pan & Scan. But if a film is shot on 35mm, then matted to widescreen for theaters, and then released on home video in 4:3, does that always make it a Pan & Scan picture?
I ask because some of the releases I've been seeing are labeled as Pan & Scan when they're really Open Matte. Until a proper comparison can be made, it got me thinking as to how many other Pan & Scan releases are really Open Matte. I'd say that most 1.85:1 movies shot to be half-way between theaters and TV home releases could be P&S or Open Matte. The base information that were used only mentioned basic aspect ratios, and without any other information, the default ratio was set to P&S. Without a proper visual check, it's hard to tell which path was taken: open matte or additional matting/scanning. Julien
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Post subject: Re: Are Most Open Matte Releases Mistaken for Pan & Scan? Posted: 09 Jun 2023, 15:21 |
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This is also the same case for older DVDs where you have full screen on one side and widescreen on the other. I know The Driver on DVD has the open matte on one side and matted 1.85 widescreen on the other. I just watched Pumpkinhead on DVD, it says it was modified to fit your screen but appears to be open matte, but I haven't seen the widescreen to compare. kt7000 wrote: it got me thinking as to how many other Pan & Scan releases are actually Open Matte. And how many Open Matte are actually pan and scan
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Post subject: Re: Are Most Open Matte Releases Mistaken for Pan & Scan? Posted: 01 Sep 2023, 17:48 |
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skyjedi2020 wrote: The first release of Star Trek VI on DVD was open matte but in a terrible non anamorphic release in 4:3 format. With black borders on all sides if you viewed it on a HDTV. Probably decent on a 4:3 crt. Aren't you glad this never took off, I am. They were calling it windowboxing and it would have sucked hard to have this on 4.3 formats. Glad we now have flat screens without if any overscan to cut off.
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Post subject: Re: Are Most Open Matte Releases Mistaken for Pan & Scan? Posted: 12 Oct 2023, 03:19 |
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kt7000 wrote: When a film is shot in Panavision widescreen then formatted to 4:3, the picture is, without a doubt, Pan & Scan. But if a film is shot on 35mm, then matted to widescreen for theaters, and then released on home video in 4:3, does that always make it a Pan & Scan picture? The answer is not always clear. Sometimes, regular filmed scenes were made in 4:3 even if they were composed for 16:9/1.85:1, but special-effects scenes were truly made in 1.85:1. "Back To The Future" is supposedly an example of this. As others said, the only way to know for sure is to watch the full movie while comparing to a "correct" version. I much prefer for the studio/home-video company to do this properly from the start, but as we all know, for a big part of the laser disc format's life, lots of shenanigans were done and poor decisions were made, all to pander to the ignorant crowd who insisted "I want my whole TV screen to be lit up!".
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Post subject: Re: Are Most Open Matte Releases Mistaken for Pan & Scan? Posted: 01 Feb 2024, 22:11 |
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elieb wrote: Is there a way to tell? Ie, picture moves from Left to Right Yeah…but sometimes only once or twice in a film, which can be very hard to see. I remember some very obvious panning and scanning on the US VHS of The Professional, this seen where the dude is swinging an axe from extreme right to extreme left and they followed it back and forth and it was pretty bad.
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Post subject: Re: Are Most Open Matte Releases Mistaken for Pan & Scan? Posted: 16 Mar 2024, 06:54 |
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kt7000 wrote: When a film is shot in Panavision widescreen then formatted to 4:3, the picture is, without a doubt, Pan & Scan. But if a film is shot on 35mm, then matted to widescreen for theaters, and then released on home video in 4:3, does that always make it a Pan & Scan picture?
I ask because some of the releases I've been seeing here are labeled as Pan & Scan when they're really Open Matte. Until a proper comparison can be made, it got me thinking as to how many other Pan & Scan releases are actually Open Matte. I asked the webmaster about this and he said most "unknown" discs in the database were initially flagged as P&S in the database. If it's not marked on the cover and someone hasn't checked, they just defaulted to that. So I think there's a lot of Open Matte LDs that are incorrectly listed on lddb.com just waiting for people to update them. I actually found a few in my collection recently...2 that were actually open matte, and another that was listed as academy ratio but should have been listed as open matte (since it was 1:85:1 theatrically).
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