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 Post subject: disney movies and audio masters
PostPosted: 30 Jul 2012, 22:36 
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anyone know if disney left the original 35mm dolby stereo and/or 70mm dolby audio on laserdisc issues?

some titles include

1) the little mermaid
2) the great mouse detective
3) beauty and the beast.

just wondering.
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PostPosted: 31 Jul 2012, 01:50 
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newtolaserelie wrote:
anyone know if disney left the original 35mm dolby stereo and/or 70mm dolby audio on laserdisc issues?

some titles include

1) the little mermaid
2) the great mouse detective
3) beauty and the beast.

just wondering.


The original LaserDisc's all have the 2 channel Dolby Stereo mix, just uncompressed. The original Dolby Stereo mixes have to be heavily limited and compressed to 'fit' onto a 35mm optical stereo soundtrack. For the LaserDisc, the unlimited/uncompressed masters were used. Except for AC-3 releases there are no LaserDisc's that contain an unremixed 70mm mix and even many AC-3 releases of 70mm films are remixed since AC-3 doesn't have 5 channels in the front.

The original LaserDisc release of The Little Mermaid is the best version - the AC-3 is heavily remixed and destroys much of the subtlety of the Dolby Stereo original. The Little Mermaid's original mix was almost like quadraphonic with music placed specifically in the surrounds - the AC-3 remix is like the Grease remix in that it bears almost no resemblance to the original. Sadly, the DVD used this mix too - and Disney redid it again for DVD as the Disney Home Theater Enhanced Mix, taking it even further from the original.

LaserDisc is the only format you can get the original Fantasound mix of Fantasia on. The Blu-ray is a travesty in both picture and sound. I literally cried when bought the disc and watched it for the first time.
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PostPosted: 31 Jul 2012, 01:56 
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i have the vhs copy, and eric's fife has an echo. missing on the 1999 reissue and recent dvd issues.
this is why disney ld's are better than the "so-called" disney home theatre mixes.

even for aladdin, jafar's voice has more bass, the dvd seems to cut it in half. (the scene where jafar is introduced)
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PostPosted: 31 Jul 2012, 02:13 
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newtolaserelie wrote:
i have the vhs copy, and eric's fife has an echo. missing on the 1999 reissue and recent dvd issues.
this is why disney ld's are better than the "so-called" disney home theatre mixes.

even for aladdin, jafar's voice has more bass, the dvd seems to cut it in half. (the scene where jafar is introduced)


Disney has always remixed for VHS to make dialog easier to hear over tiny television speakers and to make them more mono compatible. Also, VHS Hi-Fi can only handle peaks about 9 db above reference, so the stereo mix on the VHS Hi-Fi tracks are limited and compressed to reduce the dynamic range.
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PostPosted: 31 Jul 2012, 02:29 
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you can add other titles that are non-disney.

1) beetlejuice--when they mixed it for ac-3, they used the mono mix!
2) little shop of horrors (1986)
3) nightmare before christmas
4) die hard
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PostPosted: 31 Jul 2012, 04:59 
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what's going to happen when you finally get a player and don't like LD?
you have all these questions that have been answered.

it's like some foods, you are told "it's great" but then when you try it you may or may not like it.
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PostPosted: 31 Jul 2012, 06:05 
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newtolaserelie wrote:
you can add other titles that are non-disney.

1) beetlejuice--when they mixed it for ac-3, they used the mono mix!
2) little shop of horrors (1986)
3) nightmare before christmas
4) die hard


Was Beetlejuice issued in AC-3 on LaserDisc? I ask because I have the original DVD issue and it's a discrete stereo version of the Dolby Stereo soundtrack. I have the DTS LaserDisc of Nightmare and it matches the DVD and Blu-ray releases in all major respects. I have the recalled DVD of Little Shop too and it matches what I remember hearing when I saw it in 70mm.

The changes to Die Hard haven't been major enough to bother me much.

Stargate on AC-3 LaserDisc was THX' first major stumble when it was found the Dolby Surround mix on the digital tracks was out of phase, so all dialog came from the surrounds. So much for their careful quality control!
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 Post subject: Re: disney movies and audio masters
PostPosted: 31 Jul 2012, 18:21 
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yep, http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/08218/158 ... %281988%29
but when i played the dvd, the english 5.1 track in the intro is the left channel with eq. (left channel on both)
i find the little shop of horrors dvd to be a really good 5.1 mix
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PostPosted: 31 Jul 2012, 20:50 
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newtolaserelie wrote:
yep, http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/08218/158 ... %281988%29
but when i played the dvd, the english 5.1 track in the intro is the left channel with eq. (left channel on both)
i find the little shop of horrors dvd to be a really good 5.1 mix


The Little Shop 5.1 mix is superb. It's done so well it could stand alone as a DVD-Audio music only disc.
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PostPosted: 01 Aug 2012, 00:14 
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anyone got non disney movies that you can compare the audio of the vhs, dvd and red-ray releases? (i know it's blu-ray)
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PostPosted: 02 Aug 2012, 23:39 
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how about batman? i know the dvd copies have the opening music lowered/ compressed (it is SUPPOSED TO start out low, then JUMP to LOUD when "batman" shows on the screen), while laserdisc and vhs copies don't.

and how are the 5.1 remasters for geese (grease), saturday night fever and sleeping beauty?
don't be scared to add other titles and expand.
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PostPosted: 02 Aug 2012, 23:40 
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why was little shop recalled?
ps my copy of beetlejuice is the 1st dvd issue
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