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PostPosted: 17 Aug 2012, 17:12 
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One of the thing I love about laserdiscs are the THX and Dolby Digital trailers/logos at the start of the movie and it got me thinking as to why we don't tend to see these anymore on DVD or Bluray titles, anyone know why this is?
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PostPosted: 17 Aug 2012, 17:15 
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Because we usually bang on the "Menu" button so we can "choose" to watch the movie as soon as possible and not be forced to watch commercials for other crap they have on DVD or BR.
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PostPosted: 17 Aug 2012, 17:29 
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elahrairrah wrote:
Because we usually bang on the "Menu" button so we can "choose" to watch the movie as soon as possible and not be forced to watch commercials for other crap they have on DVD or BR.


I agree all the trailers you get nowadays is annoying, but the THX and DD ones where always pretty good for testing your sound system out and annoying the neighbours :angel: these aren't generally on new releases anymore?
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PostPosted: 17 Aug 2012, 19:56 
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elahrairrah wrote:
Because we usually bang on the "Menu" button so we can "choose" to watch the movie as soon as possible and not be forced to watch commercials for other crap they have on DVD or BR.

Not true they have virtually all been dumped by studios. Its more about publicity in the early days but I agree studios have gotten lazy about presentation. THX is useless they put their THX trailer at the end of the bluray???? Rather than at the start of the film and the impact of the film is flatted for me films like Avatar star boring wars bluray Indiana Jones and kingdom of WTF all have the THX trailer at the end, and not one sign of Dolby TrueHD or dtshdma intro personally dumb those silly DolbyTrue dts one there crap there too short I'd rather see the Henry Mancini Dolby SR one only with Dolby Digital logo at the end of the trailer, its spectacular, grand its the right trailer.

Dolby SR / Dolby Digital Mancini Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IHWa4eAENM

Even most all cinemas now have done the same thing its shame as the showmanship of digital cinema seems like waste of time for me paying to see a film today, which is why I have virtually stopped going. I like how it was in the 80's and 90's strange I never saw a Dolby trailer at the local cinemas in the 70's was their one even made I know this one that played at UCI were I started out as was used a lot for Dolby A-type prints http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsRIVD8z ... re=related

The Mancini one above was used for SR prints and was by far hands down the best.

But I never ever saw one of these trailers used at ABC or Odoen expect for

Dolby Digital trailer -Train- Long version (SRD) this played at ABC screen 1 to showcase The Fugitive that only played as test to see if the cinema was interested installing SR-D it was later removed and took a few years until it was permanently installed around early/mid 1998.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFr-rgdoiSw

Dolby Digital trailer -City- High Quality (SRD) this was the first trailer I saw when ABC was showing Event Horizon for weeks on end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv0DWzfz ... ure=relmfu

Trailer Dolby Digital 5.1 -Canyon- (HD 720p Intro) I think this trailer was used on STAR WARS episode 1 at the Odoen 1 which at the time was like trying to compete with ABC 1. ABC 1 had the largest screen in the area, Odeon one had the smallest screen but largest auditorium. :? But Odeon had the worst playback with outdated stage channels that wasn't changed during the install to meet with today's digital soundtracks. They threw in a load of JBL 8330 surrounds new QSC amps and Dolby CP500 hoping fool the public, and yes no subs installed :yawn: waste of time it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PihGkVry ... re=related

ABC 1 however had the best Dolby SR-D presentation around until the projectionist turned the fader up way too high on some films and it resulted in broken sub and eventually 3 or 4 out of x6 surrounds mounted on the back wall for mono and stereo surrounds was wrecked and all that was heard was rattling distorted sub bass due to A the cone had been pushed too far B the amp was busted, surrounds had buzzing sound coming from them at all times and yes for professional cinema exhibition it was damn annoying, that I had to complain about it endless over the years, YES YEARS...

Anyway enough about the politics.

What other trailers played?

Dolby Digital Rain logo. I think this trailer played when The Mummy Returns, played in ABC 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBHWYIf8vBk

The Mummy Returns was also playing at Odoen 1 at the same time I can't recall the trailer whether one was use or not, anyhow it far too toppy at the Odeon 1 and low bass rattle the stage right channel ether wasn't fitted down right, it was bottoming or had hole in the enclosure and was venting air at certain lows it was annoying and lasted for years, before they changed the stage channels a few years ago, and about time!!!

Dolby Digital trailer -Egypt- High Quality (SRD) I'm sure this was played at ABC 1 but, I can't remember what film maybe if I look though the tickets I have it might jar my memory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu4CzGDlvn4


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Indiana Jones and kingdom of WTF

:lol:
i tried to watch this when it was on TV last month, couldn't do it.

but now if it had that as the title i may have stuck with it :lol:
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PostPosted: 17 Aug 2012, 20:04 
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elahrairrah wrote:
Because we usually bang on the "Menu" button so we can "choose" to watch the movie as soon as possible and not be forced to watch commercials for other crap they have on DVD or BR.

Not true they have virtually all been dumped by studios. Its more about publicity in the early days but I agree studios have gotten lazy about presentation. THX is useless they put their THX trailer at the end of the bluray???? Rather than at the start of the film and the impact of the film is flatted for me films like Avatar star boring wars bluray Indiana Jones and kingdom of WTF all have the THX trailer at the end, and not one sign of Dolby TrueHD or dtshdma intro personally dumb those silly DolbyTrue dts one there crap there too short I'd rather see the Henry Mancini Dolby SR one only with Dolby Digital logo at the end of the trailer, its spectacular, grand its the right trailer.

Dolby SR / Dolby Digital Mancini Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IHWa4eAENM

Even most all cinemas now have done the same thing its shame as the showmanship of digital cinema seems like waste of time for me paying to see a film today, which is why I have virtually stopped going.

Would the Dolby True-HD and DTS-HD Master intro/logo/trailer/etc. be the ones from the Spears & Munsil disc? Those were great.
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rein-o wrote:
laserbite34 wrote:

Indiana Jones and kingdom of WTF

:lol:
i tried to watch this when it was on TV last month, couldn't do it.

but now if it had that as the title i may have stuck with it :lol:


It has to be the worst Indy title ever and I hardly even play the DVD much less the bluray the film is f%*king dreadful! The John William score is total pants, rubbish. Ben Burrt sound design now fails. The re-recoding mixers Skywrecker sound was the worst, it makes Howard the Duck sound like the godfather or the duckfather. :lol:

The film editing was a train wreck from start to last end credit and the Williams score has anyone noticed the last end note was t definitely :wtf: :wtf: where was the Indy theme I know lost somewhere between a re-write of this dire crap. Never thought it would come to this and how in the world did it even make its money back?? I guess a lot who saw it might have only saw it once and those who never seen one before on BIG SCREEN were kiddies and paid maybe twice or four times to see it. I would have only paid once and not bothered paying again. :thumbdown:
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PostPosted: 17 Aug 2012, 20:50 
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laserbite34 wrote:
elahrairrah wrote:
Because we usually bang on the "Menu" button so we can "choose" to watch the movie as soon as possible and not be forced to watch commercials for other crap they have on DVD or BR.

Not true they have virtually all been dumped by studios. Its more about publicity in the early days but I agree studios have gotten lazy about presentation. THX is useless they put their THX trailer at the end of the bluray???? Rather than at the start of the film and the impact of the film is flatted for me films like Avatar star boring wars bluray Indiana Jones and kingdom of WTF all have the THX trailer at the end, and not one sign of Dolby TrueHD or dtshdma intro personally dumb those silly DolbyTrue dts one there crap there too short I'd rather see the Henry Mancini Dolby SR one only with Dolby Digital logo at the end of the trailer, its spectacular, grand its the right trailer.

Dolby SR / Dolby Digital Mancini Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IHWa4eAENM

Even most all cinemas now have done the same thing its shame as the showmanship of digital cinema seems like waste of time for me paying to see a film today, which is why I have virtually stopped going.

Would the Dolby True-HD and DTS-HD Master intro/logo/trailer/etc. be the ones from the Spears & Munsil disc? Those were great.


Pass I don't have those titles but a lot of good film, titles out there just failed to have these trailers on them. Take all the STAR TREK films on DVD and bluray not one single Dolby trailer???

Take the Batman films or Transformers not one single Dolby trailer anywhere. All we get instead is 15seconds of bluray logo moving around on the screen about 2 minutes to load the disc up and if you pressed the STOP it takes another 3mins :wtf: to load up.

Best thing is to ether ran films on pc with these trailers placed at the start of the film a Dolby or dts trailer cinema versions are far better and THX trailer and then on with main feature.

If don't have pc then run two players one with trailers and main feature in the other player, best done where no one can see the quick change-overs with a tiny booth behind the room, that's how I would do it, fade light down with some card in front of the lens then switch video mode to play trailers, but I'd even throw in a vintage cinema Coke ad. :mrgreen:

Lucky Vanous Diet Coke. Not to mention drinking this crap will clean you out and leave you feeling hollow along with rotten teeth. :lol: They should put a warning on these soft drink ads like they do with cigarettes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI3Ft363PZ8

Odeon Cinemas - No Smoking Area (1970s, UK) Not to mention it sticks out the cinema! :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rlfg1rJA8c

If anyone like me who likes playing Earthquake not sure if this was put on the start of the film was it did appear on the UK release just before the Sensurround intro warning! Its also in stereo and plays fin in Dolby pro-logic can't recall if the one I heard in 1975 was stereo or mono? Expect for the film that was in stereo.
Cinema International Corporation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMYyjWKWAZY

Someone put this up last year and its the one I recall when first listening to it at the CIC Empire at London during Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade in 70mm Dolby SR.
THX - Cimarron (1988 - 1992?) ORIGINAL MIX (v1.1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCH5EYtrDuQ


The one thing I can not find is the Senurround Announcement surely someone must have this?

(DTS Digital Sound Logo The Digital Experience HIGH QUALITY) first time I saw this trailer was at UCI screen 6 Jurassic Park that was inter-locked with screen 5 as well as playing I think in 2 of the smaller screens back in 1993. Also saw Apollo 13 in screen 6 same trailer used also Tomorrow Never Dies, screen 6, Jurassic Park Lost World in screen 5 same trailer, I think it was screen 9 or 10 I saw Titanic in dts same trailer but had already seen listened to it many times in SR-D and the dts was distracting! The surrounds were turned up FAR TOO HIGH so don't know what was wrong with that, I don't mind the surrounds being easily heard just as long as its not drowning out the LCR fronts and that timber balance matches which it didn't and so I left and got my money back on the second reel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtzEa62K ... re=related

The surrounds at UCI in all screens between 1989 and late 99 or early start 2000 was mounted on the ceiling and was later changed to the sidewalls not sure when as I hardly went to UCI most times the sound, sounded like it was at "5" and depth impact of lows was no better than cheap stereo high end HD TV of today. The overhead surrounds worked okay (not true overhead just fitted to the ceiling).
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