i wonder when they will release an open matte of blade runner
why do we even respond to his posts??
what is going on with us?
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| Author: | flcl4evr [ 27 Dec 2012, 15:57 ] |
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newtolaserelie wrote: an open matte version of t2 would not be too bad, there's one for total recall There's a serious problem there with your idea. Total Recall was shot in flat ratio 1.85:1, which in theory could be opened up to the full 1.33:1 frame for an open matte release, but I'm willing to bet that there are unfinished special effects or anomalies in the unused space, so I'd guess that it's probably more of a pan and scan release, but I've never seen it, so I can't say. Terminator 2 wouldn't be possible as it was shot in Super 35mm scope ratio 2.35:1, so the only way to derive a full screen image from that film would be to pan and scan the crap out of it, losing pretty much everything. |
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| Author: | flcl4evr [ 27 Dec 2012, 15:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: wish these titles had an english track |
newtolaserelie wrote: an open matte version of t2 would not be too bad, there's one for total recall There's a serious problem there with your idea. Total Recall was shot in flat ratio 1.85:1, which in theory could be opened up to the full 1.33:1 frame for an open matte release, but I'm willing to bet that there are unfinished special effects or anomalies in the unused space, so I'd guess that it's probably more of a pan and scan release, but I've never seen it, so I can't say. Terminator 2 wouldn't be possible as it was shot in Super 35mm scope ratio 2.35:1, so the only way to derive a full screen image from that film would be to pan and scan the crap out of it, losing pretty much everything. |
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| Author: | rein-o [ 27 Dec 2012, 17:41 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: wish these titles had an english track |
i wonder when they will release an open matte of blade runner why do we even respond to his posts?? what is going on with us?
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| Author: | publius [ 27 Dec 2012, 19:12 ] |
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The real question is, what possible benefit would come from "open matte" releases of widescreen films? What reason is there for wanting to watch a movie in an aspect ratio having nothing to do with its original theatrical presentation? |
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| Author: | rein-o [ 27 Dec 2012, 21:16 ] |
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publius wrote: The real question is, what possible benefit would come from "open matte" releases of widescreen films? What reason is there for wanting to watch a movie in an aspect ratio having nothing to do with its original theatrical presentation? that's a whole other can of worms that i don't want to get into. it's the same reason why one would want to see the widescreen, in order to see all the image shot. i know i have open matte films and after i realized what that really means didn't need to buy the widescreen or remastered versions unless i had those first. if you have an open matte like disclord posted you just zoom and that's the correct aspect ratio. sometimes if it was don't wrong then you miss stuff that should have been seen with open matte. |
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| Author: | signofzeta [ 27 Dec 2012, 22:08 ] |
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The extra content on the upper and lower parts of the screen would make for interesting "bonus content", but yeah, it's not really part of the movie. The cinematographer wasn't planning on anyone seeing that stuff. With some movies, as has been said, there is no extra content or the FX were all created at the wide ratio. Star Wars, for example. All the FX were done on their Visa-whatever systems so they are all wide. Same with Back to the Future, I think. |
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| Author: | rein-o [ 27 Dec 2012, 22:38 ] |
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oh well. sometimes you get idiots who make things, even good directors, cinematographers and such. it all depends on the "framing" if you watch it in open matte and don't see any boom mic and it looks fine then it's fine. if you watch it matted and you miss part of a head then that's also wrong. so it's a film by film issue, i don't go out of my way to track down open matte films BUT i know in the past i had the open matte without knowing it and sold it to get the matted letterbox version, i wish i didn't as the letterbox version didn't give anything extra to the film, no extras at the end, no commentary and it didn't add that much to the sides but removed from the top and bottom. so it really all depends on the film being letterboxed, looking back i feel it was a gimmick to get people to re-buy films that they just bought to get "more" image. and we really didn't need to. |
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| Author: | rein-o [ 27 Dec 2012, 22:39 ] |
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what does James Mario have to say about all of this, he hijacked his own topic to change it from films without english tracks to aspect ratio |
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| Author: | romppainen [ 27 Dec 2012, 23:07 ] |
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rein-o wrote: what does James Mario have to say about all of this, he hijacked his own topic to change it from films without english tracks to aspect ratio He probably blames his need to save cash for 14 months without getting caught by mom to afford a new spoon. |
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| Author: | disclord [ 27 Dec 2012, 23:32 ] |
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romppainen wrote: rein-o wrote: what does James Mario have to say about all of this, he hijacked his own topic to change it from films without english tracks to aspect ratio He probably blames his need to save cash for 14 months without getting caught by mom to afford a new spoon. Or he's off making creepy videos. I remember back in the early days of cable TV when all systems had a public access channel and you'd see people like him with their own bizzare shows. It continues on YouTube. |
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| Author: | elieb [ 27 Dec 2012, 23:35 ] |
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i was enjoying my tv. and stop with the spoons and MY NAME IS ELIE, NOT JAMES MARIO. ELIE BARNES 3!!!!!!!!!   
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| Author: | naiaru [ 28 Dec 2012, 00:47 ] |
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newtolaserelie wrote: i was enjoying my tv. and stop with the spoons and MY NAME IS ELIE, NOT JAMES MARIO. ELIE BARNES 3!!!!!!!!! Calm down, Elijah. Don't get your spoons in a bunch. |
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| Author: | elahrairrah [ 28 Dec 2012, 15:44 ] |
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signofzeta wrote: The extra content on the upper and lower parts of the screen would make for interesting "bonus content", but yeah, it's not really part of the movie. The cinematographer wasn't planning on anyone seeing that stuff. With some movies, as has been said, there is no extra content or the FX were all created at the wide ratio. Star Wars, for example. All the FX were done on their Visa-whatever systems so they are all wide. Same with Back to the Future, I think. Yes, extra content . . .   
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| Author: | disclord [ 28 Dec 2012, 21:03 ] |
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Re Star Wars. The effects were all shot in Paramount's VistaVision process which runs 35mm film sideways through the camera and is 6 perforations wide - its exactly the same format as 35mm SLR consumer cameras use. The film itself was shot in Panavision, which is an anamorphic process that squeezes the image by 2:1 horizontally onto the negative. When unsqueezed during projection the aspect ratio is 2.40:1. VistaaVision was used because the negative is larger than standard 4-perf vertical 35mm and there is less grain build up when the effects shots are composited together. Once composited, the VistaVision is cropped to create the 2.40:1 ratio of the original photography and anamorphically squeezed to cut into the rest of the film. Other special effects movies, like Close Encounters, used 65mm film which is 5-Perfs high with an aspect ratio of 2.20:1 - the 65mm doesn't use any anamorphic lenses and like VistaVision, prevents grain build up. It too is cropped to make the negative match the 2.40:1 ratio of the original 35mm photography. Star Wars and Close Encounters started the trend of using large format film for special effects work, which before their use, usually looked grainy and processed. Big films, like Earthquake, had all the matte paintings shot on the original negative which had already been shot with the actors - the process was very dangerous because if something went wrong or the alignment of the painting was off, the footage was unusable - studios often did a safety take as a back up for such mistakes. Only flat 1.85 or Super35 films have the possibility of an open matte transfer. Some 1.85 films are shot with an actual matte on the camera, masking the film to 1.85 on the negative, so they have to be panned and scanned for video transfer - Mommie Dearest is a hard matte 1.85 film and in the original LaserDisc release had squeezed credits which made it look like a Panavision ('Scope) film squeezed for home video. I bought the pan and scan LaserDisc of Titanic since it was a Super35 film that showed a lot more of the ship at the bottom of the screen - Cameron uses Super35 with a common top line so all aspect ratio version derived from the negative have the same top - except for computer enhanced shots that were rendered at 1.66:1 or so and are panned and scanned, the P/S transfer is cool - not as a way to recreate the theatrical experience but to enjoy the extra parts of the sets and such that are uncovered in the full 4:3 frame. |
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| Author: | laserbite34 [ 28 Dec 2012, 21:14 ] |
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elahrairrah wrote: signofzeta wrote: The extra content on the upper and lower parts of the screen would make for interesting "bonus content", but yeah, it's not really part of the movie. The cinematographer wasn't planning on anyone seeing that stuff. With some movies, as has been said, there is no extra content or the FX were all created at the wide ratio. Star Wars, for example. All the FX were done on their Visa-whatever systems so they are all wide. Same with Back to the Future, I think. Yes, extra content . . . Oh so that's how the scene was filmed.  funny film with Kevin Kline stuffy chips up Michael Palin, nose and what a lousy assassin he is. A Fish Called Wanda - Ken Kills The Old Lady http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVGMsMws9Y |
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