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 Post subject: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 28 Oct 2011, 20:59 
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Contrary to popular believe some 'bootlegs' have managed to surface on laserdisc. I've seen these for sale on Ebay over the last few years.
The only way these could have been produced was by an insider working in the LD factory plant who managed to produce a few 'test pressings' of otherwise unavailable material.

One example that springs to mind which I saw for sale no less than twice on Ebay over the last 6 years was a laserdisc version of the Abba - Special (1978) which was never officially released on laserdisc. It was obvious from the lack of cover and lack of proper label this was a bootleg someone had mastered from either the official Japanese VHD or Japanese VHS version. The person selling it said as much as well! Still that is one title I'd love to own on laserdisc.
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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 28 Oct 2011, 21:11 
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Some of them are logged as such on LDDb as well. Like this one . . .

Evil Dead 3: Army of Darkness *BOOTLEG* (1993) [1964-1]
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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 29 Oct 2011, 01:21 
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Ironically it probably cost more to make the bootleg then the people made making and selling them, unless they had access to the copier.
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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 29 Oct 2011, 02:33 
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This Beatles LD is a bootleg:

The Beatles: The Ultimate Tour Live Collection - Tour Years 1964-1966 *BOOTLEG* [TMQ-LD-0628]
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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 29 Oct 2011, 09:18 
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Using Advanced search for bootleg unearthed a load more:

101 Dalmatians *BOOTLEG* (1961) [20106]

Death Machine (1995) [W53411]

Evil Dead 3: Army of Darkness (1993) (Uncut) [JWL-160]

Lady and the Tramp *BOOTLEG* (1955) [20101]

Peter Pan *BOOTLEG* (1953) [20103]

Sleeping Beauty *BOOTLEG* (1959) [20104]
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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 29 Oct 2011, 16:12 
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nems wrote:

How do you know? And what source was it taken from?
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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 30 Oct 2011, 01:57 
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publius wrote:
nems wrote:

How do you know? And what source was it taken from?

I don't own that LD, though I would like to have it. However, I can state with confidence that it is a bootleg and is most likely sourced from only fair quality materials. The 4 concerts on the LD were never officially released by EMI/Apple, though they did appear in the 80's on VHS gray market labels (with poor to fair video quality). These were factory made VHS releases which would initially appear at your local record/video store and once they sold, were never to been seen on the shelves again.

Still not convinced? Take a look at the LD catalog number "TMQ-LD-0628". TMQ, TMOQ or TradeMark Of Quality was a famous vinyl bootleg label that operated in the 1960s and 1970s. Many later day music bootleggers pay homage to TMQ by referencing their logo, artwork, mascot (a pig), or initials in their releases. For example, The Swinging Pig is a famous bootleg CD label from the 80's which used the TradeMark of Quality logo on their factory pressed discs (see below example).
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I believe whomever put out the LD was following in a similar tradition by referencing TMQ in the LD catalog number.

If anyone who owns the LD is reading this, please chime in. I would love to see some pics of the LD labels and back cover, and hear a quality assessment from someone who has actually viewed the LD.
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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 30 Oct 2011, 23:01 
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Never heard of this before, very interesting!

I will add the *BOOTLEG* tag to it.

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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2012, 23:54 
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I recently acquired a copy of the Beatles bootleg laserdisc:
The Beatles: The Ultimate Tour Live Collection - Tour Years 1964-1966 *BOOTLEG* [TMQ-LD-0628]

On the back cover it claims to be 'Made in Italy'.
It has a really glossy shiny cover where the opening is on the top of the cover not the right side like most other jackets.
The disc has a funny picture of a pig wearing sunglasses which says Trade Mark of Quality!
The disc also says Laservision which was typically associated with early analogue only LDs, but this disc has both analogue and digital audio.
Picture quality and audio is low quality with a very grainy image, video flickers like it was taken off a dodgy tape (which it likely was) and is often out of focus like it was shot by an amateur!
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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2012, 02:26 
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i too own The Beatles: The Ultimate Tour Live Collection - Tour Years 1964-1966 *BOOTLEG* [TMQ-LD-0628]
while i don't know how it's a "bootleg" like CDs or even DVDs, as you couldn't just go to
a place and get LDs made, the quality is poor, but it is still a rare disc.

the sleeve is a thinner paper than normal LDs but still glossy.
last one on the bay sold for around 95 which i feel was cheap.
when i first saw them on the bay around 2003 they were coming from korea and were selling
on the low end for around 250 up to 400.

that CD has the same trademark of the pig as the LD does.
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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2012, 04:32 
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rein-o wrote:
while i don't know how it's a "bootleg" like CDs or even DVDs, as you couldn't just go to
a place and get LDs made,


Sure you could. You can't now, but you could 20 years ago.
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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2012, 04:45 
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signofzeta wrote:
rein-o wrote:
while i don't know how it's a "bootleg" like CDs or even DVDs, as you couldn't just go to
a place and get LDs made,


Sure you could. You can't now, but you could 20 years ago.

yes, i have to correct myself.
you could make LDs back in the day, but the cost was around 300 a piece, or that's what i was told by a local who got discs made for a museum here in town.

so why would you make a disc for 300 to sell for 40 :wtf:

what i was trying to say is that it wasn't cheap like DVDs and CDs are now.
you can get discs made for something like 1-4 bucks with art and all.
back then LDs and the techonology was not as cheap as now and you couldn't just get them made.
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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2012, 12:19 
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I'm pretty sure they wouldn't just make 40 of something. Also, if it was made by a LD factory employee/owner in their spare time the cost would be even less.
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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2012, 12:28 
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rein-o wrote:
last one on the bay sold for around 95 which i feel was cheap.
when i first saw them on the bay around 2003 they were coming from korea and were selling
on the low end for around 250 up to 400.


I got my copy for $25 in May 2012.
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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2012, 16:13 
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rein-o wrote:
last one on the bay sold for around 95 which i feel was cheap.
when i first saw them on the bay around 2003 they were coming from korea and were selling
on the low end for around 250 up to 400.


I got my copy for $25 in May 2012.

:wtf: good for you, i would have been bidding if i saw that.
unless you bought it locally which is a deal.

and as for the 40, how many do you see available for sale?
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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2012, 19:34 
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Got it for $25 from a friend in the US whom I've bought lots of music laserdiscs from.
He offered it to me at that price as it had a few scuffs on the disc.
I bought it just as a collectable and I'll try to polish those scuffs out when I get a chance using Novus 1,2,3.

I've seen a few copies of this same title for sale in the past since 2006. It always sells.
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PostPosted: 25 Jun 2012, 03:02 
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Laserdisc fan,

if you look at the mint mark on the Laserdisc, in which factory the disc is made?
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 Post subject: Re: Bootlegs actually do exist on laserdisc
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2012, 03:11 
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edwin240170 wrote:
Laserdisc fan,

if you look at the mint mark on the Laserdisc, in which factory the disc is made?

MSC-009-A01 3A170000
MSC-009-B02 3B170000

are the mint marks on mine.
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PostPosted: 25 Jun 2012, 07:06 
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MSC-009-A01 3A170000
MSC-009-B02 3B170000
are the mint marks on mine.


Yeah mine has the same mint marks. I bet the 'Made in Italy' on the sleeve was just a fake to throw people off where it was really manufactured.
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PostPosted: 25 Jun 2012, 19:55 
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Some bootleg discs were made at the Chinese Technicolor plant, which also did legit LaserDisc releases. BTW, the Chinese plant wasn't owned by Technicolor, they were the plant that bought Technicolor's IB film printing equipment when the Technicolor corp discontinued making IB prints and for many, many years were the only place that could print film in the imbibition process. A bootleg LaserDisc of Jurassic Park was known to exist back in the 90's and it was made by the Chinese plant. Image and Pioneer issued joint statements that the bootleg LD's were made of inferior quality materials and could shatter in the player. I believe that was just a scare tactic to try and keep people from buying bootleg discs.
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