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 Post subject: CLD-3080 retailed at $1,200 & the CLD-99 retailed at $2500
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Retail price listed on lddb:

https://www.lddb.com/hardware/0441/laserdisc/Pioneer/CLD-3080

https://www.lddb.com/hardware/0493/laserdisc/Pioneer/CLD-99


I'm reading online that some people think the CLD-3080 produced a better video picture overall. Now I know it's comparing apples to oranges and maybe some people prefer one video look over the other but I find this quite hilarious if the older much cheaper player outperformed the newer model which cost more than double it's price. It's one person's opinion but since I know many of you such as grasshopper and others have owned probably both these players I would like to know your personal experience. I am awaiting the cld-99 in the mail and I'm impatient to do my own personal research since I still have a day or two before it's here most likely.

Wow, I didn't even use this D.EXT feature yet. I will capture a movie later and use this feature to see if it benefits at all and then I'll capture with it and put it in the screenshot thread. The CLD-3080 is something special?!? A shame mine does dumb s**t like the laser refuses to read side B on occasion depending on the laserdisc.


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 Post subject: Re: CLD-3080 retailed at $1,200 & the CLD-99 retailed at $25
PostPosted: 02 Mar 2023, 05:45 
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Remember to compare these correctly, the CLD-3080 compares to the CLD-D704 top of the line non-Elite players, the CLD-99 compares to the CLD-95/97 top of the line Elite players.

Again, just get what you like and enjoy it, other people should not effect your preference and happiness.
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 Post subject: Re: CLD-3080 retailed at $1,200 & the CLD-99 retailed at $25
PostPosted: 02 Mar 2023, 07:26 
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krbahr wrote:
Remember to compare these correctly, the CLD-3080 compares to the CLD-D704 top of the line non-Elite players, the CLD-99 compares to the CLD-95/97 top of the line Elite players.

Again, just get what you like and enjoy it, other people should not effect your preference and happiness.


You have that mixed up my friend. The CLD-99 and CLD-D704 are similar and even have the black background instead of the bluish background that is found on the CLD-3080, CLD-95, and CLD-97. I'm 99 percent sure the CLD-95 and CLD-97 are based on the CLD-3080. This is why I lucked out by not Winning that CLD-95. The CLD-95 is the CLD-3080 without the D-EXT feature that I believe might only be available on the CLD-3080. Which by what that one guy claims improves the blacks and whites better than the dnr features on the CLD-95.
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 Post subject: Re: CLD-3080 retailed at $1,200 & the CLD-99 retailed at $25
PostPosted: 02 Mar 2023, 10:17 
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Here's more discussion about the CLD-99, CLD-97, CLD-D703, CLD-D704 and LD-S9. This discussion is from 2002 when I think most people will still using CRT tvs. So they're probably judging this all from CRT tvs if I had to guess. Maybe some of them are using Plasma. Plasma was available in 2002 or not?

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.video.laserdisc/c/Y2yA7D_WZwY
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 Post subject: Re: CLD-3080 retailed at $1,200 & the CLD-99 retailed at $25
PostPosted: 02 Mar 2023, 13:39 
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jesuslovesgood wrote:
krbahr wrote:
Remember to compare these correctly, the CLD-3080 compares to the CLD-D704 top of the line non-Elite players, the CLD-99 compares to the CLD-95/97 top of the line Elite players.

Again, just get what you like and enjoy it, other people should not effect your preference and happiness.


You have that mixed up my friend. The CLD-99 and CLD-D704 are similar and even have the black background instead of the bluish background that is found on the CLD-3080, CLD-95, and CLD-97. I'm 99 percent sure the CLD-95 and CLD-97 are based on the CLD-3080. This is why I lucked out by not Winning that CLD-95. The CLD-95 is the CLD-3080 without the D-EXT feature that I believe might only be available on the CLD-3080. Which by what that one guy claims improves the blacks and whites better than the dnr features on the CLD-95.


Hopefully you won’t take this the wrong way but if I were you I’d just take time to check a certain posters name in the content you linked to in the your last posting and compare it to that of the LDDB member you have quoted and telling them they have things mixed up? In my opinion you should just listen to him and take his very sound advice which he was kind enough to offer - believe me you will struggle to find a more experienced & knowledgeable person in the world of LD nowadays!
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 Post subject: Re: CLD-3080 retailed at $1,200 & the CLD-99 retailed at $25
PostPosted: 02 Mar 2023, 14:36 
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jesuslovesgood wrote:
Here's more discussion about the CLD-99, CLD-97, CLD-D703, CLD-D704 and LD-S9.
This discussion is from 2002 when I think most people will still using CRT tvs.

So they're probably judging this all from CRT tvs if I had to guess. Maybe some of them are using Plasma.
Plasma was available in 2002 or not?

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.video.laserdisc/c/Y2yA7D_WZwY


Technically, Plasma HD displays were on market in the U.S. by the late-1990's,
though the performance was Dismal, and i don't believe they sold overly well.

FUJITSU, PHILIPS and MITSUBISHI were amongst the early firms
to take one early on for the team, as it were...

jesuslovesgood wrote:
CLD-3080 retailed at $1,200 & the CLD-99 retailed at $2500


my 1988 CLD-3030 originally listed at $1,300, and it had no ELITE/REFERENCE-series equivalent.


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Also, it evidently occasionally retailed at close to half-MSRP, at least at Military PX dealers;

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 Post subject: Re: CLD-3080 retailed at $1,200 & the CLD-99 retailed at $25
PostPosted: 02 Mar 2023, 21:55 
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jesuslovesgood wrote:
krbahr wrote:
Remember to compare these correctly, the CLD-3080 compares to the CLD-D704 top of the line non-Elite players, the CLD-99 compares to the CLD-95/97 top of the line Elite players.

Again, just get what you like and enjoy it, other people should not effect your preference and happiness.


You have that mixed up my friend. The CLD-99 and CLD-D704 are similar and even have the black background instead of the bluish background that is found on the CLD-3080, CLD-95, and CLD-97. I'm 99 percent sure the CLD-95 and CLD-97 are based on the CLD-3080.



You have a point about how you are comparing these machines but Kurtis is not mixed up. If anyone knows anything about these machines, it is Kurtis.

The point he was making is about the "class" these machines were meant to be compared with (Elite to an Elite, blue collar to a blue collar). You are just pointing out the different "chassis" used and that is not incorrect but they aren't meant to be directly compared. A CLD-3080 should always be compared to a CLD-30?0 / CLD-D70? series player since they are all part of the same class. A CLD-95/97 is likewise compared to any Elite player w/ the CLD-9? series starting w/ the 91.

Chassis' that are shared to each other could be grouped something like this (U.S. models only)....

Single side play (CLD-3030)
1st gen Alpha Turn (CLD-3070, CLD-3080, Elite CLD-91, Elite CLD-92, Elite CLD-95, Elite CLD-97)
2nd gen Alpha Turn (CLD-3090, CLD-D701, CLD-D702)
Gamma Turn (CLD-D703, CLD-D704, Elite CLD-79, Elite CLD-99)

Epsilon Turn players were usually mid end players with some models boosting high end features but they aren't in the same class as the one's mentioned above. Still, the players that had digital field memory were the CLD-D604, CLD-D605, CLD-D606, Elite CLD-59, and maybe others.
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