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| Author: | Guest [ 25 Apr 2012, 03:22 ] |
| Post subject: | Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
Hello everyone, What are your thoughts on the Pioneer Elite CLD-53? I use it as my main player and I really love it. Compared to my backups (CLD-504 , DVL-909) it blows them away. The feature I like on the most is the picture control feature. I do plan on upgrading one day to CLD-99 when the time is right and I come across one at the price I want. My player has the AC-3 upgrade so I am all set. What is everyone's thoughts? |
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| Author: | krbahr [ 25 Apr 2012, 22:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
This is a CLD-D503 which is a decent unit, the CLD-99 will have little sharper picture but you can get a CLD-D704 and get the same sharper picture. These will have a little more of the white smear verses the CLD-53 if that bothers you. |
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| Author: | Guest [ 25 Apr 2012, 22:23 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
Thanks for the response. What are "white smears"? |
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| Author: | krbahr [ 26 Apr 2012, 21:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
White smears or streaks are extreme white objects the the white tails off to the right of the object or letter. This is best seen on white credits on a black background. |
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| Author: | Guest [ 28 Apr 2012, 01:22 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
So a CLD-99 will just marginally better than my CLD-53? |
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| Author: | naiaru [ 28 Apr 2012, 02:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
rfanner wrote: So a CLD-99 will just marginally better than my CLD-53? I'd say the difference is significant. |
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| Author: | substance [ 28 Apr 2012, 05:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
3d comb filters on motion scenes introduces artifacts. Motion adaptive 3d filter on cld99 switches to 2d on motion 3d on static images. Now this have to happen super fast as there is usually motion on movies. You can set 99 to be agressive on 3d or set it correctly so it does 3d comb when needed. When 3d is engaged it can produce very noise free and sharp picture. Every ld player digitize the signal then split b&w and color with a 2d comb filter then apply here time base correction for stable signal, add noise reduction then recombine into a composite signal. Here convert to analog again and apply 2d comb for svideo out.3d filter for cld99. Now some argue that since 2d seperation happens right after signal converted to digital,there is no point in seperating with 3d filter after all processsing. Therefor there is a design flaw in cld99 |
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| Author: | Guest [ 28 Apr 2012, 06:13 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
substance wrote: 3d comb filters on motion scenes introduces artifacts. Motion adaptive 3d filter on cld99 switches to 2d on motion 3d on static images. Now this have to happen super fast as there is usually motion on movies. You can set 99 to be agressive on 3d or set it correctly so it does 3d comb when needed. When 3d is engaged it can produce very noise free and sharp picture. Every ld player digitize the signal then split b&w and color with a 2d comb filter then apply here time base correction for stable signal, add noise reduction then recombine into a composite signal. Here convert to analog again and apply 2d comb for svideo out.3d filter for cld99. Now some argue that since 2d seperation happens right after signal converted to digital,there is no point in seperating with 3d filter after all processsing. Therefor there is a design flaw in cld99 So there is nothing all that great about the CLD-99? |
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| Author: | naiaru [ 28 Apr 2012, 06:37 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
rfanner wrote: substance wrote: 3d comb filters on motion scenes introduces artifacts. Motion adaptive 3d filter on cld99 switches to 2d on motion 3d on static images. Now this have to happen super fast as there is usually motion on movies. You can set 99 to be agressive on 3d or set it correctly so it does 3d comb when needed. When 3d is engaged it can produce very noise free and sharp picture. Every ld player digitize the signal then split b&w and color with a 2d comb filter then apply here time base correction for stable signal, add noise reduction then recombine into a composite signal. Here convert to analog again and apply 2d comb for svideo out.3d filter for cld99. Now some argue that since 2d seperation happens right after signal converted to digital,there is no point in seperating with 3d filter after all processsing. Therefor there is a design flaw in cld99 So there is nothing all that great about the CLD-99? Not when compared to the CLD-D704, but there is when you compare it to the CLD-53. |
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| Author: | substance [ 28 Apr 2012, 15:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
Some argue that if you use identical process type and identical comb filter to seperate and combine,it could reconstruct the signal very close to original but stable due to tbc. So cld99 design is a sound one. 500 series and 700 series are constructed differently. A 700 series without relying on its comb filter will still produce lower noise picture because no matter what connection you use digital noise reduction is applied after tbc. 704 has the same noise reduction as cld99, you need a cld99 remote control to to access to user adjustments. Now if you want use its svideo then you would motion adaptive 3d filter that is only on cld99 in US players. Although many says otherwise, most modern tvs(2005+) do not have good comb filters. When ntsc was still the medium in late 90s and early 00s tvs had better comb filters than even the best ld player. But last half decade manufacturers use inferior comb filters than most high end ld players. If I had cld99, I would use its svideo and spend a lot of time to tweak it to get it right. |
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| Author: | krbahr [ 29 Apr 2012, 05:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
rfanner wrote: So there is nothing all that great about the CLD-99? The only thing special about the 99 over the 704 is the 3D adaptive filter for NTSC artifacts. In my opinion the 99 does not help that much. It's real value is people want the Elite finish. |
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| Author: | exinferis [ 29 Apr 2012, 13:33 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
It´s maybe a little off-topic and maybe also discussed to death, but would upgrading from a cld-97 to a cld-99 be a great step considering the picture quality? I use a dvdo iscan VP50 fpr upscaling, so i wonder if it would be a progress?? |
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| Author: | Guest [ 29 Apr 2012, 16:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
Anyone have any comments on a CLD-59? I am about to pull the trigger on one of them. |
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| Author: | naiaru [ 29 Apr 2012, 20:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
rfanner wrote: Anyone have any comments on a CLD-59? I am about to pull the trigger on one of them. from what I understand, the CLD-59 is basically a CLD-D604 |
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| Author: | Guest [ 29 Apr 2012, 23:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
[quote="naiaru"][quote="rfanner"] I kinda looked into that, but the CLD59 has a picture control and lacks an optical out. |
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| Author: | Guest [ 07 Sep 2012, 14:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
Any know if it is worth upgrading from a CLD-53 to a CLD-59 Elite? |
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| Author: | rein-o [ 07 Sep 2012, 15:56 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
i don't have any of these players or ever had. BUT if you really want to see differences then just buy them, test them out and decide for yourself. players are so cheap that you can do this, pick the one you want and then resell the one that you don't. it's not like years ago when you had to pay 1G at low end to see which one was better. some will say ones are better than others, but it's really upto you in the end. |
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| Author: | Guest [ 07 Sep 2012, 16:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
rfanner wrote: naiaru wrote: rfanner wrote: I kinda looked into that, but the CLD59 has a picture control and lacks an optical out. It lacks the optical out but it does have the digital coaxial which should be the same quality-wise yeah? I think that would only be an issue if your receiver or pre-amp has optical but not Digital coax. |
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| Author: | Guest [ 07 Sep 2012, 17:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
ucfmatt wrote: It lacks the optical out but it does have the digital coaxial which should be the same quality-wise yeah? I think that would only be an issue if your receiver or pre-amp has optical but not Digital coax. my 53 has picture control and optical out, with the Ac-3 added on. |
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| Author: | Guest [ 07 Sep 2012, 17:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer Elite CLD-53 (your thoughts?) |
rein-o wrote: i don't have any of these players or ever had. BUT if you really want to see differences then just buy them, test them out and decide for yourself. players are so cheap that you can do this, pick the one you want and then resell the one that you don't. it's not like years ago when you had to pay 1G at low end to see which one was better. some will say ones are better than others, but it's really upto you in the end. I can't figure out if the 59 has VNR variable and even if that is worth getting. |
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